What are the pros/cons to upgrading to Windows 10?
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That's weird, as I think Enterprise is available on MSDN.
It's also available on VLSC to everybody except @Polygeekery apparently.
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The general aura is bad because pretty much all of the vendors were filling their PCs with poorly-written bloatware just like they do today.
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It's also available on VLSC to everybody except @Polygeekery apparently.
Apparently. My VLSC is probably fucked up somehow. I intend on contacting them about it at some point, but work has me slammed at the moment, and I am really in no hurry to upgrade.
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just like they do today.
Ridiculous. It's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2000 or so.
Like I said above, I bought an HP with Me preinstalled, and the crapware was so bad that it broke HTTPS. You could not view any secure website at all. Reinstalling Windows clean from a CD completely fixed that and a number of other things I no longer remember.
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It's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2000 or so.
Sounds like you've not looked terribly closely at any recent Toshiba or HP/Compaq laptops.
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Sounds like you've not looked terribly closely at any recent Toshiba or HP/Compaq laptops.
I bought an HP laptop in 2011. It had almost no added software.
I provision about 1 each Dell desktop and laptop a year at my office, so I generally see what's going on with those, and they generally are nearly crapware-free (maybe it helps that we get them through the business side?)
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@flabdablet said:
Ridiculous. It's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2000 or so.
Like I said above, I bought an HP with Me preinstalled, and the crapware was so bad that it broke HTTPS. [...]
Just like today...
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Just like today...
No. From a security standpoint what you describe is obviously worse. What I meant is that if you went to any HTTPS URL, the browser would just spin forever and not even time out.
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(maybe it helps that we get them through the business side?)
Yes. We had a client buy some Inspiron laptops to try and save money. We spent enough time cleaning out the crapware that it cancelled out all of their savings and then some.
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Windows applications force reboots as well, especially system tools such as anti-virus and anti-spyware scanners
Windows Defender regularly gets updates through WU, and never causes a reboot. You appear to be using some shitty AV tool
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That only makes sense, though, as Windows Defender (being more or less a part of Windows) has access to parts of Windows that other AV/AS tools don't. Most other anti-malware scanners I've seen have forced reboots at least on occasion.
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I don't install much Windows software these days, but the memories I keep in the onion on my belt tells me that there was a time when nearly every installer told you to reboot.
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We had a client buy some Inspiron laptops to try and save money.
IIRC Vostro laptops were cheaper than their equivalent Inspirons, and with minimal crapware. At least in 2008.
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True to form, there is one post actually answering the OP's question and the rest arguing about various things to come from that.
It has, at least, still stayed about computers though!
The only conclusion I can draw is that Win10 is obviously worth upgrading to* and there are no negatives!
- I found a way to switch back to the Photo Viewer instead of the Photos app so that's one of the last things I was missing.
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People hate on the big guy. There are legitimate complaints. But when the target is big, the hype (good or bad) gets bigger, and the accuracy gets smaller.
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The only conclusion I can draw is that Win10 is obviously worth upgrading to* and there are no negatives!
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There are a couple of annoyances, but truth be told, I was surprised at how painless the upgrade is. Even the industrial automation software I need for work is chugging along just fine (Trust me: industrial automation Software is . If W10 can handle that, I don't expect trouble with anything else. )There were a couple of things I didn't like, but they were minor:
- Default DPI scaling sucks. Text is blurry as hell and gives me a headache. I can't believe this is the default for normal screens (i.e. non-high-dpi ones). Had to go and set the scaling to 100% manually. Even at 100%, some text still lacks sharpness
- The start menu occasionally hangs for a second or two for no apparent reason on an otherwise zippy machine
- I found some start menu entries to be missing after upgrading. God knows why.
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I can't believe this is the default for normal screens (i.e. non-high-dpi ones).
The default depends on the monitor, actually. My screens defaulted to 100%. As for the sharpness, running ClearType may help, but it's mostly a problem with applications that don't handle scaling correctly.
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@abird said:
Just like today...
No. From a security standpoint what you describe is obviously worse. What I meant is that if you went to any HTTPS URL, the browser would just spin forever and not even time out.
Okay, that does sound terrible. I wonder how manufacturers get away with that kind of brokenness. I mean, in the Lenovo case Joe Average wouldn't even notice anything was amiss. But pages flat out refusing to load... I guess there just weren't enough HTTPS sites around
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For the past 10 minutes I've been trying to remember whether any site I've been browsing back then might have required HTTPS... ... ... so far I've come up empty.
Okay, I actually don't remember any sites from that era either
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Online shopping (mostly) switched to HTTPS very early, at least for the payment processing flow, but it was often just for the actual handling of the submission of your credit card details (because HTTPS was expensive by comparison to HTTP at the time). And it was usually only the big sites that switched; mom-and-pop stores didn't move until later.
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As for the sharpness, running ClearType may help
The sharpness issue has been there since Windows 7 to my knowledge (possibly Vista has this too). Windows has this OMG hands-in-the-air everything-is-just-too-fuct desperation mode for non-DPI-aware applications, where the application's window gets rendered to an offscreen 96dpi pixmap that's then scaled for display. The blur comes from pixmap scaling. ClearType won't fix it because font rendering happens before pixmap scaling; in fact, because the offscreen pixmap doesn't have LCD-style R, G and B subpixels it might even make it slightly worse.
The really annoying part about this is that it could work much, much better than it does. Whatever Windows uses to do the pixmap scaling step just sucks. If it worked at least as well as the stuff that's built into every cheap-ass LCD panel to deal with non-native input resolution it would be 1000% better, and I have real trouble believing that any modern GPU is incapable of that.
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because the offscreen pixmap doesn't have LCD-style R, G and B subpixels it might even make it slightly worse.
OSX does something similar, except the pixmap renderer is subpixel-aware as far as I can tell.
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Windows has this OMG hands-in-the-air everything-is-just-too-fuct desperation mode for non-DPI-aware applications, where the application's window gets rendered to an offscreen 96dpi pixmap that's then scaled for display.
That's interesting, do you have links for further reading on that?
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Thanks.