Soundcards are bullshit
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I gave up when you jumped off the idiot bridge into the stupid chasm.
You and Raceprouk either had no idea what you're talking about or were trolling, and either way it stopped being interesting.
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Topic Closed?
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Or you're scared shitless of being proven wrong
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Apparently not
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The only thing 100% correct in this thread is that Creative Labs has always had terrible drivers.
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Blakeyrat wins again.
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You mean there was a prize involved?
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Blakeyrat wins again.
If "the other guy being insulting means he loses" then a whole bunch of your arguments ended with you losing.
It's simple social justice, and since you live on the west coast, you have to accept that.
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2 + 2 = 4
That makes 2
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You mean there was a prize involved?
Yeah, blakey uses a different kind of forumpointzzzzzz than the rest of us.
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Then all you need do is Listen.
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@powerlord said:
you guys keep saying that you can play sound over USB without a soundcard
At no point has anyone said anything even remotely like that
Well, for example, blakey did say
@blakeyrat said:If you plug in a USB headset, there's no sound card involved in sending it audio.
which does seem pretty similar.
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No, you're an abrasive ignorant fuckwit who refuses to get treated for your terminal case of stupidity.@lightsoff said:
Most video cards with HDMI ports can take a digital feed from a sound card and package it over HDMI.
No, most can't. They have their own "sound card" (the size of one chip). @lightsoff said:USB can be used to talk to a sound card.
Yes, but at that point it's not a sound card. It's one chip.@lightsoff said:I'll give you bluetooth, as that is at least a standard audio codec, just with no DAC.
The DAC is in the "sound card" at the other end.Notice how I'm putting "sound card" in air quotes? I'm trying to use your terminology here, but doing so makes my brain hurt with how wrong it is...@lightsoff said:
Unless you have a very odd definition of sound card, in which case no motherboard with integrated sound has a sound card either.
They don't. They have integrated sound instead. That's what that means! No separate card required.@lightsoff said:If your definition doesn't include either of those two, then we've been arguing at cross purposes because sound cards barely exist anymore.
Good, you've finally acknowledged reality. Welcome back from kooky "it's a sound card if it's got a mixer and turns digital audio into analog audio" land.
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Logically speaking, a "sound card" is any expansion device that has a DAC and an audio driver on it. ;)
(It may not be in the same physical form factor as the sound cards you're used to, but it still provides the functionality of a sound card.)
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a DAC
with a sufficiently high clock frequency a DAC is technically not necessary for a sound card.
I don't promise that the sound output will be pleasant to listen to (triangle waves do not tend to be pleasant on the ears) but it will be recognizable.
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I don't promise that the sound output will be pleasant to listen to
All you need to make that passable is some band-limiting. I shipped a product with a DAC that comprised, in its entirety, of one resistor and one capacitor (1st order low-pass filter). I made nearly musical sounds out of that thing
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with a sufficiently high clock frequency a DAC is technically not necessary for a sound card.
I don't promise that the sound output will be pleasant to listen to (triangle waves do not tend to be pleasant on the ears) but it will be recognizable.
That's just a PWM DAC :P then.
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by that logic this is also a DAC, you would have a hard time convincing people of that.
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Funny you should post that, my brother has a RC helicopter that plays a tune on the motor windings when the drive starts up
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No, most can't. They have their own "sound card" (the size of one chip).
If I look in Device Manager, I have two generic "sound devices" and a separate nVidia device (which is the video card.) That's strongly suggestive of me having (at least) two "sound cards" in the computer, one of which is the video card itself.
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Funny you should post that, my brother has a RC helicopter that plays a tune on the motor windings when the drive starts up
Ganged floppy drives are the new n-channel sound card/DAC.
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10 is just a further whack from the same ugly stick
I like not having borders. If I have so many windows up at one time that I need borders to tell which is which... I'm doing it wrong. That's just 10 pixels of wasted space
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I can virtually guarantee no off-the-shelf PC or laptop has had a Creative card in a decade. And that's like 97% of the PC market.
Wrong. Dell XPS desktops came with Creative sound cards as recently as 2009/2010.
Source: We recently decommissioned some and I saw them with my own eyes.
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Oh, and to add further fuel to the fire, those same XPS desktops did not have onboard audio at all. It was a sound card or nothing.
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Yep, but your video card does its own audio processing as a "sound device". It doesn't route your audio through an entirely separate card to do that, which is what lights off was suggesting.
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Yep, but your video card does its own audio processing as a "sound device". It doesn't route your audio through an entirely separate card to do that
Yeah, I know. That was supposed to be implied by its showing up in the device manager list.
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No, you're an abrasive ignorant fuckwit who refuses to get treated for your terminal case of stupidity.
Ah, I remember when one of the excuses for sticking with Dashspores was that the old forum had become a toxic hellstew, and that this new DishellePhiefer forum would be a fresh start of enlightenment and ponies.
Keep on.
