The censor feature is discoursistent
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Sometimes you just have to tell a customer, "Your request is stupid." Maybe phrase it more politely; maybe not.
sometimes they won't take no for an answer and have a big enough bag of cash that you don't want to risk them taking it elsewhere.
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That's a problem with having too few customers. If you can't afford to lose one who's more trouble than he's worth, you need to broaden your customer base.
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That's a problem with having too few customers. If you can't afford to lose one who's more trouble than he's worth, you need to broaden your customer base.
not going to disagree, having a small customer base sucks, but even in a large customer base there are always those customers that are large enough that you end up humoring more than you probably should because you don't want to have to deal with the fallout from their departure. Yah you can weather it just fine and continue to grow the business but when their demands are relatively minor it's still just easier to let them have what they want.
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customers that are large enough ... but when their demands are relatively minor it's still just easier to let them have what they want.
Then they're not more trouble than they're worth.
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which is what i was trying to indicate in my original comment by using the words "don't want to risk" rather than "cannot afford"
if it is cannot afford then you need to grow your userbase and fast.
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Daily backups kick in daily and do that.
if it is cannot afford then you need to grow your userbase and fast.
Long term I see this feature moving into a plugin, it fits in that world way better. Great extensibility is the way we can protect our core product while giving customers whatever rainbows they want.
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sometimes they won't take no for an answer and have a big enough bag of cash
But they're all open source-y! They don't care about money, it's all free love, man!
Or all the open source bullshit is just an act to get free labor from suckers.
One of those.
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You should. Maybe he's as much a sucker as Alex. Maybe he'd pay you money.
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I only accept payment in unicorn meat.
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Has anybody ever seen Sam and Atwood in the same place at the same time? I have to admit the Atwood brainwashing is effective. Free will is for sucks!
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Atwood brainwashing is effective
Because my having some fundamental agreement with my co-founder is heresy.
Filed under: I Jeff therefore I am
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I suspect that you meant concept there.
I think conceit was correct. 4th definition from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conceit, "a fanciful notion"
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Getting this feature working "perfectly" is probably a month of engineering work. (deal with permutations, maybe dash in a bit of OCR
I can see why it might take a month, particularly with the OCR.
You have to develop an automated system of taking a screenshot of the post, printing it, putting it on a wooden table, taking a photo, scanning the result back in and performing the OCR. Quite a bit of robotics involved there.
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Has anybody ever seen Sam and Atwood in the same place at the same time?
My understanding is that @sam lives on the opposite side of the Pacific to Jeff (Sydney vs wherever in California Jeff is). That said, being a fellow Aussie (on the same side of the country no less) I've slim chances of even meeting Sam by accident, so shrug
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Testing a theory:
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I really don't care for this feature, never did, nor did anyone on the team. We did it to appease a customer.
Well tough luck, because it's now part of your core product and you sort-of have to care. Couldn't you just make it a site-specific plugin?
If you put half-baked features into Discourse - even if they're optional - the whole thing starts looking like a belgium patchwork thrown together with no regard to quality. And people are going to see it, and instead of coughing up for Discourse, they'll go to phpBB or something, which by this time probably have a thoughtcrime detector as a plugin.
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This is going to move into a plug in for 1.2, I don't see any reason to keep it in core long term.
Filed under: Belgìum belgium Belg<wbr>ium
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I suspect that you meant concept there.
You suspect wrong (4b comes closest.).
Here is probably the last place I would expect anyone to care about this feature.
It's new! It's shiny! It needs to be played with! :D
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It needs to be
played withbroken apart!That's a more accurate description of our reaction to new Discourse features
belgium you Hanzo Onyx!
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■■■■■■■ you Hanzo Onyx!
Nobody messes with Lo Wang!
... sorry, bought Shadow Warrior and Duke Nukem yesterday on Steam, I had to do it!
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Daily backups kick in daily and do that.
I have no words for what a bad idea this is on a forum. There must be a way to take a backup without locking the site.
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I think conceit was correct. 4th definition from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conceit, "a fanciful notion"
I was unaware of that definition. Thanks for that.
Full disclosure: I don't fully trust dictionary.com, so I check on Oxford's site. This definition is legit, though dictionary.com appears to have simplified it a bit.
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Correct me if I am wrong but don't most forums do that exact thing? Putting the forum into readonly mode (calling it maintanance or whatever they fancy) while backing things up?
@Arantor What does your forum-child do?Filed Under: Too lazy to actually look that up and I don't remember reading much from Arator recently. Is he (still) away or am I just bad at reading? | #Derail
Getting this feature working "perfectly" is probably a month of engineering work. (deal with permutations, maybe dash in a bit of OCR, while at it, let's automatically blur pictures of body parts).
But aren't you already doing the exact same thing for any other permutation of the text? Say *? Because having a very solid foundation for text formatting seems like something worth looking into in the long run (at least to me). Especially if you want people to write simple yet working plugins.
That said, I would agree with the statement that this feature doesn't have a huge priority and moving it into a plugin seems fine.Filed Under: Second Filed Under: without any regards for the first
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Correct me if I am wrong but don't most forums do that exact thing? Putting the forum into readonly mode (calling it maintanance or whatever they fancy) while backing things up?@Arantor What does your forum-child do?
But on a daily basis?!
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Yeah if you put the half-assed censorship code in a plug-in, you can keep it away from the half-assed core code. That helps preventing Discourse from becoming a full ass.
It's still a turd, though.
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>Spencer:
Sydney vs wherever in California Jeff isEl Cerrito.
Which, for those of you unfamiliar with the geography of California, is near Berzerkely, home of the University of LSD and Free Love.
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This is going to move into a plug in for 1.2, I don't see any reason to keep it in core long term.
Why wasn't it a plugin to begin with? It seems like making it part of the core with the intent of separating it out later just creates more work, and potentially more pitfalls when you do take it out.
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Why wasn't it a plugin to begin with?
My theory is
oneone or more of the following:-
Discourse devs have some kind of regulation that they always have to do something stupid the first time, then go back and fix it later. Or pretend they're going to go back and fix it later. Or blame it on an open source library (even when the open source library did the stupid behavior back when they picked it.)
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Over the past few months, the much-vaunted plug-in layer has been completely untested, and is now so full of bugs, oversights, and just plain dumb design that it's now impossible for even a core Discourse developer to write a simple plug-in like this.
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My theory is one of the following:
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Discourse devs have some kind of regulation that they always have to do something stupid the first time, then go back and fix it later. Or pretend they're going to go back and fix it later. Or blame it on an open source library (even when the open source library did the stupid behavior back when they picked it.)
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Over the past few months, the much-vaunted plug-in layer has been completely untested, and is now so full of bugs, oversights, and just plain dumb design that it's now impossible for even a core Discourse developer to write a simple plug-in like this.
My theory is both of those.
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Fixed my post.
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You're absolutely right, and point 2 is going to exacerbate the problems they're going to have pulling the feature out into a plugin. But I guess that's a problem for future Jeff and Sam to deal with, so full-steam ahead on implementing it stupidly as per point 1.
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I just know we've had hundreds of threads around here about how we could build plug-ins to meet what.thedailywtf needs without having to worry about what "core" Discourse is doing. And every time it comes up, this also comes up:
It's FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE for anybody who isn't a core Discourse developer to make a plug-in, due to their use of obscure languages/environments, lack of documentation, bugs, etc.
So while it's a great idea, it's utterly useless in practice.
The only thing that's changed recently is now the plug-in interface is so worthless, even Sam can't use it. (At least, according to my theory 2.)
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There must be a way to take a backup without locking the site.
Depends on the database, really, and the traffic pattern.
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is near Berzerkely, home of the University of LSD
@Jeremy S. Anderson said:
There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
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cat /dev/mem
Woooah... I'm tripping man!
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It looks like the censor feature has been fixed... Maybe a bit too much...
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It looks like the censor feature has been fixed... Maybe a bit too much...
Belgium.
elgiu.
Worked in preview.. lets see what happens when it's baked...
But to address your post - what's changed?
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It looks like the censor feature has been fixed... Maybe a bit too much...
Hmm ...
Belgium?
belgium
belgium
BELGIUM
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It does seem to be working better now. Could it have been the rebake that one of the discodevs triggered? I certainly wouldn't put that past Dicsourse.
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I was referring to the “blank posts” issue.
That, it would appear, will remain a mystery...
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Could it have been the rebake that one of the discodevs triggered?
Doubtful. Previously, rebaking often alternated between censored and uncensored cooked posts. Though that could also have been a side effect of not being able to restart.
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Hey, wasn't me.
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Why are we still allowed to post "assumption" and "classic", @PJH? And what about "brilliant"?
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Because partial matches didn't count anyway.
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Yeah, they got pretty beat up about that before they even released the censor feature.
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This has the unfortunate result that elgiu (e-l-g-i-u) doesn't naturally get censored inside Belgium.