Closed Poll: Testing an intern's mettle part 3
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WTF is he doing!?
Insertion sort.
No, literally, he's going "We learned this, you can sort items by... um... iterating over and... oh right, if it's larger than the largest value, you have to swap them... what was the word teacher used for this sort? The one that makes sense, not that weird Quick sort thing."
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Searched for "cartman intern interview" and found it. 340 replies! Ugh. I jumped to "Sep 16" and found the start of the trial. Reading...
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340 replies! Ugh.
There's probably a totally unrelated discussion after 50 or so, no worries.
The search is pretty decent at searching.
Stemming tends to get awkward, though.
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I gave him a quick description of how things should work (read, process, write).
I don't think he'll make it. Too inexperienced.
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oh right, if it's larger than the largest value, you have to swap them... what was the word teacher used for this sort? The one that makes sense, not that weird Quick sort thing."
Me at the same point in my learning:
"So wait. Why the fuck would you need these other algorithms when QuickSort is so much more performant?"I still periodically find myself mistrusting that framework developers didn't use a suboptimal algorithm.
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@cartman82's adventures in interviewing remind me of helping my kids with their homework.
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I made a vow to stay away from the areas of programming where I need to give a shit about sorting performance and therefore use the standard library sorts.
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Me at the same point in my learning:"So wait. Why the fuck would you need these other algorithms when QuickSort is so much more performant?"
Me at the same point in my learning: "So why the fuck should I care, if sorting is so much of a solved problem it's been implemented a bajillion of times in a gajillion of libraries, and is probably optimized to the last cycle?"
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"So why the fuck should I care, if sorting is so much of a solved problem it's been implemented a bajillion of times in a gajillion of libraries, and is probably optimized to the last cycle?"
Until, you go for an interview and they ask you to implement *Sort.
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Test over. Went nowhere with task 2.
Boss wasn't here, so still haven't given my recommendation. Thoughts?
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Seemed about the same as the previous person.
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Fruits 3 - Interns 0
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When is your next intern coming? This time try to bring a girl just so we can compare (I bet she performs better).
Bets! Bets! Bets! This is the only thing missing here!
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Fruits 3 - Interns 0
Show only interns who had solved the second task
INTERN TASK1 TASK2 Intern 1 true false Intern 2 true false Intern 3 true false OUTPUT: -------------
Done!
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Obviously there's reason to be suspicious, but depending on your time limitations, you may wish to call him in.
However, anyone who looks at grades and ignores competitiveness of the school should not be allowed near a hiring process. An A at Strayer is much easier than a C at MIT. What level of school did this guy go to?
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Except 1 year of schooling instead of 3.
What specifically would he be doing if he got the job?
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When is your next intern coming? This time try to bring a girl just so we can compare (I bet she performs better).
Bets! Bets! Bets! This is the only thing missing here!
No more lined up. There's another senior candidate and then opening up the floodgates with public advert.
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and then opening up the floodgates with public advert
This might be even more fun. I'll stay tuned.
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What specifically would he be doing if he got the job?
We need a programmer. This kid won't be ready anytime soon.
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Obviously there's reason to be suspicious, but depending on your time limitations, you may wish to call him in.
What specifically would he be doing if he got the job?
Shut up! You're ruining the fun!
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However, anyone who looks at grades and ignores competitiveness of the school should not be allowed near a hiring process. An A at Strayer is much easier than a C at MIT. What level of school did this guy go to?
Z. Same as me.
That's why I'm giving tests and asking for out of school stuff.
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Also, I missed that the school had been specified - the old alma mater. So there was a perfect baseline.
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I think you might get better results by opening the flood gates.
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I think you might get better results by opening the flood gates.
Agreed. Not my decision. Boss wanted it this way. He opened the flood gates before and got poor results.
IMO boss sucks at interviewing. He lucked out with me :-)
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I think I'll go with, no callback now, but keep in touch and check in again in year or two. He's got potential, he's just nowhere near ready yet.
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He lucked out with me
As long as he doesn't need things to be consistently categorised or scheduled with correct time zones.
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I think you might get better results by opening the flood gates.
Better for the company, or better for us?
Filed under: my bet is at the second, at least interns know they know shit
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Better for the company, or better for us?
I like to think that with more applicants from a wider pool, there's more opportunity for novel WTFiness. The last two students were way too similar.
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I don't know. Kids this days are all about PHP and JavaScript as we have seen. Back in my days you might get some C, BASIC or Fortran guys but not today. Kids are too worried about MySpace and Facebook... or whatever they use.
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I don't know. Kids this days are all about PHP and JavaScript as we have seen. Back in my days you might get some C, BASIC or Fortran guys but not today.
I taught myself programming using BASIC, a $15 toy laptop, and a German instruction book. Don't you tell me about "kids these days".
Filed under: at the age of 5 or so
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I taught myself programming using BASIC, a $15 toy laptop, and a German instruction book. Don't you tell me about "kids these days".
I taught myself programming using TI-BASIC with a "borrowed" TI-84 and no instruction book. Don't tell me about "kids these days"
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When is your next intern coming? This time try to bring a girl just so we can compare (I bet she performs better).
Bets! Bets! Bets! This is the only thing missing here!
When I administered such tests, the best candidate ever was a young woman from India. She completely aced the test and it only took her 10 minutes. Even got all the bonus parts and a couple intentionally tricky things I threw in just to see if anyone would handle them correctly.
We offered her the internship and then her dad freaked out and forced her to drop out of college and fly back to India for an arranged marriage.
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This is done. Recommended no callback, but keep in touch.
Tomorrow the boss will touch base with some NET seniors and see if someone is willing to switch over to OSS retard land. If no one bites, it's floodgates time.
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You're dating yourself. The Ti 84 is the direct descendent of the 83 plus, which came from the 83, 82 all the way back to 81.
The 84 is very recent.
(85, 86, 89, 92 are unrelated and comparatively ancient)
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The 83 was a good vintage.
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You're dating yourself. The Ti 84 is the direct descendent of the 83 plus, which came from the 83, 82 all the way back to 81.
The 84 is very recent.
(85, 86, 89, 92 are unrelated and comparatively ancient)
well i'll be darned. it is too recent. i thought the 84 was older than that.
given the date of my graduation from high school it had to have been either the TI-83 or possibly the TI-83+
pray excuse my faulty memory. If my memory is this bad at 3x, it should be interesting when i get to be 60...
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If my memory is this bad at 3x, it should be interesting when i get to be 60...
They'll have released the T-800 by then, and remembering the versions will be the least of your worries.
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When I administered such tests, the best candidate ever was a young woman from India. She completely aced the test and it only took her 10 minutes. Even got all the bonus parts and a couple intentionally tricky things I threw in just to see if anyone would handle them correctly.
We offered her the internship and then her dad freaked out and forced her to drop out of college and fly back to India for an arranged marriage.
Fuck! I wouldn't mind seeing a female candidate. Not for the obvious reasons, but because if she'd pushed through into IT despite the cultural resistance, it COULD mean she actually LIKES it. Or is just into it for the money. But there's a chance.
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Fuck! I wouldn't mind seeing a female candidate. Not for the obvious reasons, but because if she'd pushed through into IT despite the cultural resistance, it COULD mean she actually LIKES it. Or is just into it for the money. But there's a chance.
It was a pleasant surprise, given the usual quality of CS students from that area I'd interviewed before. They aren't all grossly incompetent, just most of them.
The way it ended was a stunner, everyone involved was shocked that such a thing could happen. And I was really looking forward to having an intern I didn't have to hand-hold all the time.
(We did end up hiring a couple American students who were quite bright and competent and didn't require much hand-holding after a few weeks, in fact I treated them like full-blown programmers and not interns.)
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Less drama than dating someone else.
But forgetfulness is already kicking in, so the drama could easily increase.
And she won't remember which side of her ownself she was arguing and then got mad about.
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I'm pretty sure that what he's actually doing is, "okay I need to read the file and find the largest item, then I print that, then I read the file again and find the 2nd largest item, then I print that, etc."
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And she won't remember which side of her ownself she was arguing and then got mad about.
And then the make up sex is kind of one-sided.
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She could ask @sockbot to make it less one-sided ...
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@sockbot, would you like that?
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@accalia has summoned me, and so I appear.
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i think that's a yes?
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The Ti 84 is the direct descendent of the 83 plus, which
came from the 83, 82 all the way back to 81.By the time I got my TI-81, I already knew BASIC from learning on a
TRS-80. I used it make a few games,
including (from memory) a one/two player graphical tic-tac-toe, a number
guessing game, a text-based 9-hole golf game with semi-random holes and results,
and a game where you had to search a house to find colored keys to unlock colored
doors to find the bathroom before you pissed yourself. I made a few (teacher-approved) programs to
help me with homework and tests, too.
And, I documented each one …by hand…on notebook paper.
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I taught myself programming using TI-BASIC with a "borrowed" TI-84 and no instruction book. Don't tell me about "kids these days"
I taught myself programming with Atari Basic, an Atari 400, and a pile of ANTIC magazines. Sucks to be y'all.