Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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Doing the speed limit (55mph) across all lanes of I265 in Atlanta: Youtube
Is there a TL;DW text summary somewhere?
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Look, you can argue about this as long as you want, but it's a fact and it's been studied and confirmed by many people, and you can take a stumble on Google if you want more evidence. Yes, water is slippery, but that's not the explanation for it. Oil and grime does accumulate on the road, and a little bit of water does make it extra slick, until more water comes along and washes it all off the pavement.
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Yeah, a lot of the grime is probably from exhaust.
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The one I've noticed recently is people making left turns INTO the dedicated left turn lane to wait for a break. They are now facing oncoming traffic. Saw it just this morning, in fact.
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Based on a quick Google, a right turn on a red arrow is legal.
Not in CA: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21453.htm
(don't know it someone else mentioned this yet - I'm still over 150 posts behind...)
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Is there a TL;DW text summary somewhere?
Normal average speed is about 70+. Some college (aged) kids got lined up across all lanes and then slowed to 55. The results are a HUGE tailback and passing in the breakdown lane.
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Heh. Get off the freeway and visit downtown, such as it is. Oh, it'll still make you laugh at how quaint it is, but you WILL see some traffic.
To be fair, I was looking at I43, which is never busy in my experience. I can't comment on traffic up from Milwaukee on Packers home game days, but even then more traffic probably takes hwy 41.
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You know what turns out to be a shit-ton of fun? Smile and wave at people like that. They HATE it that they don't get you mad, too.
Works great when you're on a bicycle too.
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Not in CA: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21453.htm
Yes, though not by name:(don't know it someone else mentioned this yet - I'm still over 150 posts behind...)
My homeward commute involves making at right turn at a (usually) red light where it would be illegal (no sign, but red arrow) in the state I used to live in.
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I was a passenger in a car that got hit after being waived through. The car in the right lane was OK with him going, but the cars in the left lane weren't in on the plan.
And the police will assign you 100% fault.
We used to have major problems with people doing this at the 152/156 intersection outside of Hollister. It would cause backups several miles long on 152 on a Fri afternoon. They finally built a flyover and fixed that.
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People who see a pedestrian at the intersection they are approaching and stop just after the third line - the first being the one they're supposed to stop at, the second and third being the crosswalk.
I wish it was explicitly legal to climb onto the hood of cars that do that and walk across them, provided you remain within the boundaries you'd get if you extended the crosswalk lines upward in space.
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Normal average speed is about 70+. Some college (aged) kids got lined up across all lanes and then slowed to 55. The results are a HUGE tailback and passing in the breakdown lane.
Evil ideas thread?
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SoCal you're talking 6-9 months of zero rain.
Same here (Bay area). But our downpour is measured in hundredths on an inch so it takes a lot longer for the roads to get better. (Hence, another good reason to ride the train!)
When I first moved here from the Chicago area, I was amazed to see weather reports of "0.03 inches of rain"
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Same here (Bay area)
Yep; lived there 23 years. Even here in rainy Seattle, our rain tends to be mostly intermittent drizzle. A hard rain is when you have to put your wipers on low instead of interval. Occasionally we'll get a downpour — even then, nothing like the midwest — but it never lasts long.
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New WTF: You know something is poorly designed when the replacement procedure starts with "cut the bolts off with a blowtorch because they will be galvanically welded to the engine."
Ok, that's a little worse then replacing the headlights in my 2006 Subaru Tribeca (manual recommends taking the car to the dealer). I did finally figure out how to do it myself. Entirely by touch - with one hand. Oh, and unhooking the battery to move it 2 inches out of the way.
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The intersection was retrofitted to add a jughangle; the left turn lane was to be blocked with cones or barrels. I actually haven't been there since it happened so I don't know what the deal is; someone told me everyone's ignoring the jughandle, even though the cops will supposedly ticket you for not using it.
I live in New Jersey, so I get jughandles (and circles... gasp) and we constantly have drivers from other states turning left from the left lane, ignoring all of the no turn signs and the honking drivers that (usually) almost crash into them from behind.
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Occasionally we'll get a downpour — even then, nothing like the midwest — but it never lasts long.
Even as a Midwesterner, my hat goes off to the rains in Florida. I can remember more than once doing ~35 on the freeway due entirely to the volume of rain, but the most memorable was coming up to what looked like a white sheet hung across the freeway, due entirely to the rain band falling there. These weren't even Tripical Storms or Hurricanes, just normal weather. (I was somewhat relieved but mildly disappointed to not get any really strong storms during my tenure in America's wang)
Edit: typos
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To be fair, I was looking at I43, which is never busy in my experience. I can't comment on traffic up from Milwaukee on Packers home game days, but even then more traffic probably takes hwy 41.
Yeah, 43 doesn't really go where people want to commute, I guess. I only ever rode it a handful of times.
But I didn't even mean football crowds. You get onto Monroe or Webster or "downtown" De Pere and you'll see heavy city-street-type traffic.
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But I didn't even mean football crowds. You get onto Monroe or Webster or "downtown" De Pere and you'll see heavy city-street-type traffic.
Sorry if it wasn't clear, my comments about gameday were meant to be in regards to I43 traffic levels (hence the "traffic up from Milwaukee" and hwy 41 bits), not downtown.
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Sorry if it wasn't clear, my comments about gameday were meant to be in regards to I43 traffic levels (hence the "traffic up from Milwaukee" and hwy 41 bits), not downtown.
Oh, yeah, I knew. Topic drift, though. You first mentioned four-ways. I don't think there are any of those on I-43. :)
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Even as a Midwesterner, my hat goes off to the rains in Florida. I can remember more than once doing ~35 on the freeway due entirely to the volume of rain, but the most memorable was coming up to what looked like a white sheet hung across the freeway, due entirely to the rain band falling there. These weren't even Tripical(sic) Storms or Hurricanes, just normal weather. (I was somewhat relieved but mildly disappointed to not get any really strong storms during my tenure in America's wang)
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And the police will assign you 100% fault.
I was the passenger, so I'm sure that's not true.Also, it doesn't matter if the person that waives them through is at fault. He will almost certainly leave after the accident, sincerely believing that he did nothing wrong.
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This makes me stabby:
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I don't get this, because here in Seattle it rains all the fucking time in all possible variations of rain imaginable. Our roads don't get nearly that slick. (Sure, wet roads are slicker, but like oil?)
Is it the way they've paved in Washington D.C.? I mean, you say "lift the oil from the road", do they literally put oil down on their freeways? I do not get it.
Here in socal, the oils accumulate for a long time, since it rarely rains. So it's pretty dangerous, but also, the idiots from here rarely see rain, so they don't know how to drive in it. I can tell where it's raining here by looking at a traffic map.
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We have a road that's 55mph and is has a mile long gradual bend. The first snow of every year, the ditch on the outside of the curve collects five or six SUVs. People with four wheel drive sometimes forget that 4WD doesn't help you turn any better than 2WD.
Same with braking, it's always amusing to see these AWD/4WD cars whose drivers didn't understand that.
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I can't decide if Jughandles are better or worse than a Michigan Left.
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Colorado is the only place I've ever seen with worse drivers than California. It doesn't help any that every single road in the entire state is torn up, either.
I recall driving down I-25, in bumper to bumper traffic, stop and go, thinking there must be an accident. No, no accident at all. Every single car had to come to a complete stop to look at the orange cones on the side of the road. No lanes were blocked, or even restricted - the road crew had quite for the night - but everybody had to come to a complete stop.
Then there was the truck on the shoulder that was . . . dripping fire. And smelled like fireworks. I guess the redneck view of the world is, "Well, my truck's on fire anyway, so I might as well use it to light some sparklers."
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the idiots from here rarely see rain, so they don't know how to drive in it. I can tell where it's raining here by looking at a traffic map.
That also works in Texas.
I can't decide if Jughandles are better or worse than a Michigan Left.
Why not both?
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I has a car that failed the OBDII test back in the first month they started doing it. It turned out to be a wiring harness and I got it fixed. When I got it re-inspected, the OBDII report said "NOT READY". They pulled my sticker and gave me the printout which said I had 10 days to bring the car back for a re-test. I had to drive around with no sticker for a week. During that week, every cop that saw me pulled me over and I had to go through the process of showing him the report and him figuring out if this was legal. Even worse, OBDII doesn't go out of NOT READY status until a certain number of miles have been driven and it's been through a specific set of conditions (like highway cruising, idling for a long time, etc.). So, you have to drive it or you're even more screwed. I hate to think of what would happen if it was still not ready 10 days later.
A new car?
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The intersection was retrofitted to add a jughangle; the left turn lane was to be blocked with cones or barrels. I actually haven't been there since it happened so I don't know what the deal is; someone told me everyone's ignoring the jughandle, even though the cops will supposedly ticket you for not using it.
How is it legal to be ticketed for using a left turn lane that's not blocked off?
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Not in CA: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21453.htm
(don't know it someone else mentioned this yet - I'm still over 150 posts behind...)
Man, I hate this state.
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Ok, that's a little worse then replacing the headlights in my 2006 Subaru Tribeca (manual recommends taking the car to the dealer). I did finally figure out how to do it myself. Entirely by touch - with one hand. Oh, and unhooking the battery to move it 2 inches out of the way.
I think that changing some of the bulbs on the Pontiac G5 involves removing the bumper...
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I can't decide if Jughandles are better or worse than a Michigan Left.
Michigan has some really weird roads.
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I live in New Jersey, so I get jughandles
You should see a doctor to get that checked on.
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well illustrated.
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Here's the one that gets me. >90 degree turn.
North is up. I'm driving north, but making a left turn to go west. Since the 5 on-ramp is on the right side of the westbound street, I get in the right-most left turn lane. The cars in the left turn lane can't possibly drive well enough so as to both avoid the median and avoid coming into the center lane, so what you have to do is to pretty much move one lane right as you're making the turn. Which is even more fun when a southbound car decides to make a right on red.
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A new car?
It was a 2001, but this happened when they started doing OBDII testing in 2004. I had a January inspection month, so I was in the first batch.
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How is it legal to be ticketed for using a left turn lane that's not blocked off?
"the left turn lane was to be blocked [off]". Plus there were announcements on the news, the radio, and so on.
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"the left turn lane was to be blocked [off]". Plus there were announcements on the news, the radio, and so on.
Were there signs? If there's nothing at the scene to indicate that you shouldn't use it, it can't possibly be legal. How would someone not from the area know?
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Were there signs? If there's nothing at the scene to indicate that you shouldn't use it, it can't possibly be legal. How would someone not from the area know?
If you see barrels blocking entry into a lane, would you get in it?
I believe there were signs. The last time I went through that intersection was before they closed off the lane.
A non-local who didn't get fresh with a cop would probably stand a decent chance of getting off with a warning.
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If you see barrels blocking entry into a lane, would you get in it?
I believe there were signs. The last time I went through that intersection was before they closed off the lane.
A non-local who didn't get fresh with a cop would probably stand a decent chance of getting off with a warning.
You said "was to be", implying that it wasn't yet. Hence inferring that there were no barrels.
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You said "was to be", implying that it wasn't yet.
Ah. No, they announced the plans well in advance and said no tickets until the lane was actually closed.
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Here's the one that gets me. >90 degree turn.
North is up. I'm driving north, but making a left turn to go west. Since the 5 on-ramp is on the right side of the westbound street, I get in the right-most left turn lane. The cars in the left turn lane can't possibly drive well enough so as to both avoid the median and avoid coming into the center lane, so what you have to do is to pretty much move one lane right as you're making the turn. Which is even more fun when a southbound car decides to make a right on red.
TRWTF is the city for being too cheapskate to buy up the land needed to realign that intersection to be 90deg. This looks like an accident waiting to happen, even!
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I wouldn't doubt that it happens often. Lower half is residential. Top right is commercial, top left is a university campus.
They are doing construction on it right now, but only along the right turn lane for the southbound traffic, so I'm not sure what they're doing.
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I can't decide if Jughandles are better or worse than a Michigan Left.
Yeah, we have them too, but mostly where it's not too populous. I think they're equally WTFy.
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Here's the one that gets me. >90 degree turn.
I like how if you follow the line they've painted showing you the curve to take, you still end up 45° from the direction of traffic.
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You should see a doctor to get that checked on.
Damn, I should be more careful... with my words.
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And as part of "not using turn signals" (and probably already covered up thread), this happens probably about 75% of the time for me.
Living in Vancouver, BC, I could probably come up with these all day.
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The 4-way light near my place has no turn arrows for the east/west roads (90% of traffic is in north/south direction). Sometimes, only one direction will turn (solid) green. If both do, since I'm just about always turning left, the car across from me will be sitting at the red light in the straight/left turn lane, so I have to wait for it, since it usually doesn't have a turn signal on. It'll get moving, and it goes about 5 feet before turning its left turn signal on.
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TRWTF is the city for being too cheapskate to buy up the land needed to realign that intersection to be 90deg. This looks like an accident waiting to happen, even!
Here's a wide view of the >90deg intersection I mentioned earlier:
The north-south road is one of the busiest roads in the area and the fact that the two sides of the roads don't meet not only creates a bad angle, it creates a double-light intersection that causes at least two major accidents a year. It would only be required to buy the land from one used car lot and no residences to make this a normal intersection.
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