The 'Work Around Discourse Bullshit' thread (2)
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For added WTF, try unfolding that quote.
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That brings us back to "why isn't there an IRC channel for TDWTF?" observed not too long ago in this forum...:evil_grin:
There used to be one. Probably still there, haunted by the ghost of MPS.
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I don't think any branch of mathematics can cope with counting how many ways in total Jeff is wrong.
I disagree. ℵ0 is countable, in theory anyway; actually counting it is a bit problematic.
Edit: THE HECK?!? That was and is an actual aleph character in the preview window, but the entity is escaped in the actual post. WTF?!? How is it even possible for Discourse* to get that wrong?
Edit 2: It just gets better. It shows up as an aleph character when I submit, but on reload it turns into "ℵ". I can't even...
* Spelled correctly so Google, et al., can find this, and expletives redacted so it can show up in safe searches..
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I'm sure Jeffitude extends beyond the bounds of all mathematical laws, real or imaginary.
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Edit: THE HECK?!? That was and is an actual aleph character in the preview window, but the entity is escaped in the actual post.
You're just proving @Arantor's premise that it's impossible to express the number of ways in which Jeff is wrong.
Filed under: At least on Discourse.
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You're just proving @Arantor's premise that it's impossible to express the number of ways in which Jeff is wrong.
That's not what he said.
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Speaking of quotes, has anybody noticed this particular annoyance? Any line that begins and ends with " becomes a quote, but the behavior is completely inconsistent with everything else:
"It lets you have multiple quotes next to each other, whereas > doesn't"
"It can't contain any " characters unless you escape them as html entities ( \ or double quoting doesn't work) "
"And trying to escape the whole thing with a \ at the beginning or the end gives silly results"
"like this"
"But a single space before or after does the trick"
- "You can't have quotes in lists with > "
" - But you can't have lists in quotes with " "
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Battling it constantly. CBA to bitch about it anymore since I'm most likely using the quote characters wrong anyway.
'Just pretend it's PHP and that this works as well'
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Speaking of quotes, has anybody noticed this particular annoyance?
It has, but good luck searching for it. I've occasionally gotten block quoting to work like I want it to, but mostly it happens by accident.
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Speaking of quotes, has anybody noticed this particular annoyance? Any line that begins and ends with " becomes a quote,
Yup. Especially annoying when writing a story that contains a lot of speech of the characters. I'm currently in the transition stage where I mostly just type"
in Discourse but forget to do it every now and then to my chagrin.but the behavior is completely inconsistent with everything else:
Of course. This is Discourse after all; famed for its consistent inconsistency!
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Battling it constantly. CBA to bitch about it anymore since I'm most likely using the quote characters wrong anyway.
'Just pretend it's PHP and that this works as well'
or use
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I got hit with that quite a while ago. Someone asked me a question requiring a numeric response, I responded with a number, Discourse saw the number and helpfully decided I was actually trying to start an ordered list instead and changed my number to 1.
Example: How many days are in a year?
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You're just proving @Arantor's premise that it's impossible to express the number of ways in which Jeff is wrong.
Filed under: At least on Discourse.
Just to clarify, I'm not asserting the premise that it is impossible to express. I'm asserting that it's impossible to count. I can easily invent words to symbolise this phenomenon, however, such as Jeffitude.
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[spoiler]@seriously wtf [/spoiler]
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the answer to life
3.14 is pi -
is a rounded pie
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siasf it nests because I didn't put a space after the period?
yea that's pretty jacked if you accidentally tried to use a number as a sentence.
ok never mind i typoed like every other stupid thing I put in this one.
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…view source: http://what.thedailywtf.com/raw/1983/68
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yea, edited to fix. I typoed every other &html item I used in that one, of course they didn't work.
Filed Under: I really WAS doing it wrong this time.
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So, Discourse now shows:
1 new or updated topic. Click to show.
In the blue bar on the top of the topic list. This is... strangely adequate. Ku-dos? I guess?
I have to go self-flagellate now, so if you'd excuse me...
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So, Discourse now shows:
1 new or updated topic. Click to show.
In the blue bar on the top of the topic list. This is... strangely adequate. Ku-dos? I guess?
I have to go self-flagellate now, so if you'd excuse me...
I find it annoying. Having to click on that is a barrier to reading. I think Dickwood is Doing It Wrong. ;)
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Well it's an improvement at least:
Stage 1:
1 new topic
- umm... yeah, you show that for new posts as well
Stage 2:1 new post
- close enough, changed after my bitching at least, I suspect there was more though
Stage 3:1 new or updated topic.
- back to topic, but with correct info this timeThe idea itself is a different beast. But at least the wording makes sense.
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It's done that for awhile now, when it has worked (which still isn't "all the damn time"). Usually, it doesn't kick in and you only get the unread numbers on "New" or "Unread", though I often enough get it saying there's 1 new or unread post and I have a larger number on "New" and/or "Unread".
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Maybe I didn't pay attention then. Or I just didn't even get the bar due to discoursesistency.
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I will say, maybe they improved it so it is working better, I've yet to see it get out of sync. But, the day has only just begun, and I'm sure there's plenty of other ways to get it out of sync.
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Got it to fail, somehow. Left my browser on the Unread page while doing some work, came back to this while doing a build:
Clicked the blue bar and got this:
Filed Under: Discoursistency
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Yeah, I'd just come back and the blue bar said 4 unread topics when the "Unread" item said 6.
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I just had the blue bar tell me there is an unread topic (or something like that, I can't keep them all straight). I clicked it and when the list refreshed, it was exactly the same but without the blue bar.
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Somebody probably posted in a topic that was already in your list, but Discourse CBA to notice that detail.
Actually, I take that back. Discourse is just dumb.
Filed Under: Discoursistency | Dicsourse
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@Intercourse said:
I find it annoying. Having to click on that is a barrier to reading. I think Dickwood is Doing It Wrong.
Yeah I don't get it, why of all the things did they pick that to require extra-clicking to update?
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Also, since I read in tabs, half the time that retarded bar is showing me "Unread topics. Click to show" and it turns out I already fucking read them in another tab, but Dicsourse doesn't seem to update that blue bar ever other than to add topics to it.
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why of all the things did they pick that to require extra-clicking to
I asked that shortly after dicksores was inflicted upon us. IIRC the answer was something about not noticing that the topic list had been updated if it just did it without you asking it, or something.
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I'm still fascinated that, with all the fucking whitespace that's here anyway, they couldn't reserve some space for it, or just have a bit that says "All caught up!" or something, nope, they inject it into DOM so it moves the freaking list so I misclick and have to use "Back" because I'm in the wrong topic now.
No, wait, sorry, scroll down to suggested, because clicking back is Doing It Wrong™
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It looks like Discourse treats edits on the last posts in threads as valid enough to trip the "new posts or topics" line, but doesn't actually make the post unread, so I got the line to show up, clicked and nothing changed, but the newest thread's last activity time was at <1m (I last read it over a minute before), check it, it was edited.
Dicsourse
I knew edits updated the activity time, but now it trips the blue line indicator for "unread or new posts"?
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I am fairly sure that everything trips the indicator. I cannot even be on the homepage of the
forumsdiscussion facilitating softwareclusterfuckbecause it is constantly showing a silly unread post number and I am a grumpy cat today.I just spent a couple of hours manipulating a spreadsheet that is a CSV dump from an Oracle product. All of it manual and tedious. One of them involving Substitute functions nested 7 deep. I might have been able to do it more easily in VBA, but I would have needed a shower afterwards as I would have felt unclean. That is enough to make a person grumpy...
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The super annoying this is when you back out to the homepage and it is showing 8 unread items. Dicsourse, you just loaded the page, why did you not load the damned "unread items" at the same time?
I must be doing it wrong?
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@Intercourse said:
you just loaded the page
Assuming F5 or new window/tab loading, it puts the current list of threads in the content it delivers as JSON in a script tag, which it uses to build the initial list of topics, then when it can handle push messages for new posts and notifications and whatever, it probably gets a new list of unread posts and does the indicator.
I'm not saying it's smart (it's not), but that's probably what it is doing.
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it puts the current list of threads in the HTML it delivers
I don't think there's any HTML delivered from the server directly to the browser. Ever.
Except in the gimped no-JS version, that is.
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That's not no-JS.
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I don't think there's any HTML delivered from the server directly to the browser. Ever.
Except in the gimped no-JS version, that is.
^^What he said. On this web
siteapplication, I would imagine they are doing every bit of it that they can client-side. I CBA to look at the code, but I do know that very frequently I get the "This site has been updated..." bullshit.
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Script tags? Really?
I'd flag you for the badge, but not sure if enough people follow this thread that it would anything.
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Script tags that contain a bunch of JSON that they load first to give you the list of topics you see, then they start handling everything through push notifications or AJAX calls.
If I wanted to be pedantic, I'd call you out on "no HTML ever", because they do have minimal HTML that they have to have.
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Script tags that contain a bunch of JSON that they load first to give you the list of topics you see, then they start handling everything through push notifications or AJAX calls.
That... actually makes sense. Your explanation I mean, not what they are doing.
I hereby approve of your original hypothesis.
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I tried clearing up my original post by saying they're sending down a bunch of JSON in script tags (which is what I meant originally, just brain no worky right all time).
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I knew edits updated the activity time
Except, in my experience, for pinned topics. They get buried way down the latest list, never to be seen again.
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Yay, still able to be broken:
And I can't get rid of it without a full refreshor possibly dismissing an actual unread itemNOPE, hitting the "Dismiss Unread" button only gets rid of the actual unread items, the count on the header is still including one that was read.
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Discoursistency strikes again.
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Oh, I know. I found a new "bug" when I was testing what I edited out of that post.