Did I miss the thread about the new Firefox redesign?

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@da Doctah said:

(For the person who tried to add Mt St Helens to the list of failures, no go. All the others resulted from bad decisions; Mt St Helens was a mountain that blew up due to nobody's fault.)

I just thought it was a list of catastrophes.

dhromed

@da Doctah said:

Mt St Helens was a mountain that blew up due to nobody's fault.

But it did blow up.

aapis

Pfft, I started hating on Firefox 3 years ago. /hipster

Muppet_3_11_pro_gold

@aapis said:

Pfft, I started hating on Firefox 3 years ago. /hipster

Firefox 3.0

It's been down hill since.

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@Muppet 3.11 pro gold said:

@aapis said:
Pfft, I started hating on Firefox 3 years ago. /hipster
Firefox 3.0
It's been down hill since.

Netscape Navigator 4ever.

dkf

@joe.edwards said:

NCSA Mosaic

a.k.a. “Don't display anything until all those slow servers have delivered everything they want to.”

Nowadays that takes Javascript…

Muppet_3_11_pro_gold

@joe.edwards said:

@Muppet 3.11 pro gold said:
@aapis said:
Pfft, I started hating on Firefox 3 years ago. /hipster
Firefox 3.0
It's been down hill since.

Netscape Navigator 4ever.

Just for fun, I downloaded Netscape 7.2 which is really just an early version of Firefox. There were some glitches but it worked pretty well. It made me realize how far off the rails Firefox has gone.

Medinoc

@fire2k said:

take a look at this
I have at this point given up on complaining about Android-Style Icons. However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off (like I did with their ridicolous start menu clone), so I'm having a hard time not to rage at this.

Oh my god you were right all along, they actually DID this horror.

My bottom bar is gone, and there is NO. FUCKING. WAY to restore it! There is no "New toolbar" option! The only way I have now to restore my toolbar buttons is to further clutter Firefox's main icon bar!

Also, they made the "previous page" button absolutely fucking indissociable from the addressbar. And kicked my "Home" button off the stuff.

Let me make this clear: Firefox 29 is a usability and customization nightmare!

Edit: Oh, and they pinned the "Menu" button all the way to the right, with no possiblity of moving it.

morbiuswilters

@Medinoc said:

@fire2k said:
take a look at this
I have at this point given up on complaining about Android-Style Icons. However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off (like I did with their ridicolous start menu clone), so I'm having a hard time not to rage at this.

Oh my god you were right all along, they actually DID this horror.
My bottom bar is gone, and there is NO. FUCKING. WAY to restore it! The only way I have now to restore my toolbar buttons is to further clutter Firefox's main icon bar!
Also, they made the "previous page" button absolutely fucking indissociable from the addressbar. And kicked my "Home" button off the stuff.
Let me make this clear: Firefox 29 is a usability and customization nightmare!
Edit: Oh, and they pinned the "Menu" button all the way to the right, with no possiblity of moving it.

Ha ha, what timing! Firefox just crashed on me and brough up the "Report this crash to Mozilla" dialog.

When it restarted it was using the new, godawful GUI, so apparently it updated itself at some point.

Thank God I don't use Firefox for anything serious.

Medinoc

Oh, and apparently it broke The QuickJava (one-click enable/disable Java, Javascript, Flash, Silverlight etc.) add-on. It shows everything as "disabled", doesn't toggle when I click on it, and yet Javascript works... sort-of.

Edit: Goddamn little dinky itty-bitty "refresh" icon in address bar... My previous config had it outside the address bar, as a real button, between the previous/next buttons and the address bar... And now it can no longer be moved out of it.

mikeTheLiar

@morbiuswilters said:

When it restarted it was using the new, godawful GUI, so apparently it updated itself at some point.

I'm anticipating a user-freakout in my office soon. "Mike, help, Firefox is all diffrent-y! Make it go back like it was!"

@Medinoc said:

My bottom bar is gone, and there is NO. FUCKING. WAY to restore it! There is no "New toolbar" option! The only way I have now to restore my toolbar buttons is to further clutter Firefox's main icon bar!
Also, they made the "previous page" button absolutely fucking indissociable from the addressbar. And kicked my "Home" button off the stuff.
Let me make this clear: Firefox 29 is a usability and customization nightmare!

That is obviously not true. Mozilla says "The menu includes a “Customize” tool that transforms Firefox into a powerful customization mode where you can add or move any feature, service or add-on.'"

I wonder how hard it was for someone to type that sentence while laughing hysterically.

morbiuswilters

@El_Heffe said:

I wonder how hard it was for someone to type that sentence while ~~laughing hysterically~~ making out with his gay husband on company time.

Seriously, though, the Mozilla folks probably think they're doing a good job, which is the saddest thing you will read all day.

Mozilla: We will make love to your behind without the goddamn common courtesy of a reach-around. However, there is a reach-around add-on, although it's not been updated since the last release broke everything.

Ben L.

@morbiuswilters said:

@El_Heffe said:
I wonder how hard it was for someone to type that sentence while ~~laughing hysterically~~ making out with his gay husband on company time.

Seriously, though, the Mozilla folks probably think they're doing a good job, which is the saddest thing you will read all day.

Mozilla: We will make love to your behind without the goddamn common courtesy of a reach-around. However, there is a reach-around add-on, although it's not been updated since the last release broke everything.

Don't associate gay people with Mozilla. It gives gay people a bad name.

morbiuswilters

@Ben L. said:

Don't associate gay people with Mozilla. It gives gay people a bad name.

Well, they clearly have some gay people. And I'm not precisely sure where "being gay" is on their list of priorities, but I can tell you it's higher than fixing their goddamn browser's memory leaks which have been around for half my fucking life:

@Mozilla's List of Priorities said:

...8<...

55: Cash another one of those sweet Google checks, which will obviously never dry up and instantly cause our failed, asinine, money-hemorrhaging organization to implode like a star going supernova. A stupid, idiotic, jackass star.

...8<...

107: Another pointless fucking redesign of the UI which only serves to piss off our dozen remaining users and illustrate what inept shitheads we are.

...8<...

201: Gay stuff!

...8<...

752: Fix our goddamn browser's memory leaks which have spanned three Presidential administrations.

...8<...

See, it's right there in the list, so you can't blame me.

Onyx

Oh, Australis is 29? Didn't I saw that update yesterday? I wonder what it's like...

Oh for the love of $DEITY.

I'm not a GUI purist and I can live with stuff not looking 100% right 100% of the time... but the hell is up with browsers and tabs for the last few years?

Note about Chrome: I'm not a GUI designer, but I did see triangular tabs both on Linux and Windows, but only if vertical or in context of multiple tabs within a toolbox of some kind, so I'm kinda-sorta calling it standard-ish. No other application I EVER saw used triangular style for main tabs before Chrome did it. Sublime text does it for example, but then again it looks fairly non-standard, doesn't even try to pick up the system theme, and I have no idea when they decided to use triangular tabs, so I might be wrong there. But both FF and Chrome seem to pick up on my GTK3 theme just nicely and then they fuck up the tabs out of sheer dickery.

So yeah, only browser I know of right now that knows how tabs should look like is that neutered version of Opera which I can't even use since they still don't have a Linux build. IE 11 in non-modern mode? I haven't had a chance to use it so I can't say.

Medinoc

@Onyx said:

'm not a GUI designer, but I did see triangular tabs both on Linux and Windows, but only if vertical or in context of multiple tabs within a toolbox of some kind, so I'm kinda-sorta calling it standard-ish. No other application I EVER saw used triangular style for main tabs before Chrome did it.

I think Eclipse has used such tabs since before Chrome existed.

morbiuswilters

@Medinoc said:

@Onyx said:
'm not a GUI designer, but I did see triangular tabs both on Linux and Windows, but only if vertical or in context of multiple tabs within a toolbox of some kind, so I'm kinda-sorta calling it standard-ish. No other application I EVER saw used triangular style for main tabs before Chrome did it.
I think Eclipse has used such tabs since before Chrome existed.

Eclipse uses those hideous tabs that are rounded-vertical on the left side and really sloped on the right side:

Swing uses those tabs that are squared-vertical on the right side and chamfered on the upper-left side:

Onyx

I now feel properly and rightfully bashed for not including non-Java qualifier in my post. In my defense, that is why I mentioned it in the tags, but it was fairly ambiguous.

dkf

@morbiuswilters said:

Swing uses those tabs that are squared-vertical on the right side and chamfered on the upper-left side:

That does depend on which UI LookAndFeel you select; those tabs are just a feature of the Metal L&F (which I don't like very much).

bstorer

@dkf said:

those tabs are just a feature of the Metal L&F (which I don't like very much).

You say that as if there are people who would disagree with it. Everybody hates Metal.

flabdablet

@Medinoc said:

@fire2k said:
take a look at this
I have at this point given up on complaining about Android-Style Icons. However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off (like I did with their ridicolous start menu clone), so I'm having a hard time not to rage at this.

Oh my god you were right all along, they actually DID this horror.
(snip list of should-be-incredible Mozilla stupidies)

Have you tried out the Unfuck Firefox extension yet?

The fact that this extension rates like this
Hosted by imgur.com
will, I'm sure, be ignored by the UX totalitarians at Mozilla, just like every other piece of negative feedback about their awful, broken, stupid, useless, pointless, ugly, witless, confusing and mandatory new UI. Because Grumpy Cat, and Science!

dkf

@bstorer said:

Everybody hates Metal.

Metal fans are scary.

@morbiuswilters said:

@Mozilla's List of Priorities said:
...8<...

55: Cash another one of those sweet Google checks, which will obviously never dry up and instantly cause our failed, asinine, money-hemorrhaging organization to implode like a star going supernova. A stupid, idiotic, jackass star.

...8<...
106: Try to hire Marissa Mayer away from Yahoo so she can use her awesome Adobe Illustrator skills to design a new UI
...8<...

107: Another pointless fucking redesign of the UI which only serves to piss off our dozen remaining users and illustrate what inept shitheads we are.

...8<...
201: Gay stuff!

...8<...

752: Fix our goddamn browser's memory leaks which have spanned three Presidential administrations.

...8<...

morbiuswilters

@bstorer said:

@dkf said:
those tabs are just a feature of the Metal L&F (which I don't like very much).
You say that as if there are people who would disagree with it. Everybody hates Metal.

Everything Swing looks like shit. Why would anyone even bother with different themes?

@dkf said:

@bstorer said:
Everybody hates Metal.
Metal fans are scary.

That Metal Show

@flabdablet said:

Have you tried out the Unfuck Firefox extension yet?

I have to give the developer of that extension a lot of credit. It looks like they've made quite a few improvements since the last time it was mentioned. It appears that they are able unfuck most of the pointless crap made in Firefox's new Assholio version.

morbiuswilters

@El_Heffe said:

Filed under: I wish the extension was really called Unfuck Fiefox

I wish, but you know some crybaby pants-wetter at Mozilla would have a Twitter meltdown and burn out the "HATE CRIME!!!" key that comes standard on all Mozilla employee keyboards. It's right next to the "Take a dump on the UI" key and beneath the "WONTFIX" bug-closing hot key.

Amazingly, there actually is a "Fix the frequent crashes and endless memory leaks and undo the last several idiotic UI changes" button, but nobody at Mozilla has ever tried pushing that one.

Ben L.

@morbiuswilters said:

@El_Heffe said:
Filed under: I wish the extension was really called Unfuck Fiefox

I wish, but you know some crybaby pants-wetter at Mozilla would have a Twitter meltdown and burn out the "HATE CRIME!!!" key that comes standard on all Mozilla employee keyboards. It's right next to the "Take a dump on the UI" key and beneath the "WONTFIX" bug-closing hot key.

Amazingly, there actually is a "Fix the frequent crashes and endless memory leaks and undo the last several idiotic UI changes" button, but nobody at Mozilla has ever tried pushing that one.

Someone pushed it by accident once, but luckily* the keyboard wasn't plugged in.

*Not luckily. The opposite of that.

flabdablet

@El_Heffe said:

I have to give the developer of that extension a lot of credit.

Ayuh. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the developer of an extension feels much more deserving of being slung a few bucks than does the organization responsible for giving us all the browser the extension runs in.

Kyanar

Aaaand this is why where I work, we push out a <installdir>\defaults\pref\channel-prefs.js file containing the line:

[code]pref("app.update.channel", "default");[/code]

Do that, and Firefox will always report itself as up to date. No matter how ancient the version.

Ben L.

@Kyanar said:

Aaaand this is why where I work, we push out a <installdir>\defaults\pref\channel-prefs.js file containing the line:
<font face="Lucida Console" size="2">pref("app.update.channel", "default");</font>
Do that, and Firefox will always report itself as up to date. No matter how ancient the version.

So instead of choosing a browser that doesn't suck*, you chose to skip security updates no matter what.

*Alright, you have me there.

morbiuswilters

@Ben L. said:

@Kyanar said:
Aaaand this is why where I work, we push out a <installdir>\defaults\pref\channel-prefs.js file containing the line:
<font face="Lucida Console" size="2">pref("app.update.channel", "default");</font>
Do that, and Firefox will always report itself as up to date. No matter how ancient the version.

So instead of choosing a browser that doesn't suck*, you chose to skip security updates no matter what.

*Alright, you have me there.

iCab 4 Lyfe

blakeyrat

@morbiuswilters said:

iCab 4 Lyfe

Yo! Cyberdog, yo! extends switchblade

flabdablet

@El_Heffe said:

@flabdablet said:
Have you tried out the Unfuck Firefox extension yet?
I have to give the developer of that extension a lot of credit. It looks like they've made quite a few improvements since the last time it was mentioned. It appears that they are able unfuck most of the pointless crap made in Firefox's new Assholio version.

OK, so I've just unwept the first of my weeping customers by installing that extension, and I'm also quite impressed. You don't have to tweak its settings at all to get back something that looks remarkably like the pre-Assholis UI. Nice work!

Wonder if it can turn the Add-On bar back into a proper status bar as well. That would be schweeeet.

flabdablet

@flabdablet said:

Wonder if it can turn the Add-On bar back into a proper status bar as well. That would be schweeeet.

Just checked the docs and no it can't and no it never will, because it doesn't have to because Status-4-Evar exists. So I don't even need to wait for Horsepenis to get my status bar back! O happy day.

Lorne Kates

@flabdablet said:

So I don't even need to wait for Horsepenis to get my status bar back!

Mozilla is more likely to have a release titled Horsepenis than to restore the Status Bar.

I had this nice dream the other night where I won the lottery, bought Mozilla, and publicly fired every developer who ever closed a ticket with WONTFIX.

morbiuswilters

@Lorne Kates said:

I had this nice dream the other night where I won the lottery, bought Mozilla, and publicly fired every developer who ever closed a ticket with WONTFIX.

So you fired everyone, is what you're saying..

The problem with your dream is that somebody was still getting money for Mozilla. I had a dream where I won the lottery and hired Russian hitmen to "redesign" Mozilla's "UI".

Lorne Kates

@morbiuswilters said:

So you fired everyone, is what you're saying..

The problem with your dream is that somebody was still getting money for Mozilla. I had a dream where I won the lottery and hired Russian hitmen to "redesign" Mozilla's "UI".

I couldn't fire the leech CEOs. They couldn't be ahem found. Anywhere. Don't look in that cement mixer.

@flabdablet said:

Horsepenis

morbiuswilters

@El_Heffe said:

@flabdablet said:
Horsepenis

Just wait until they rewrite the whole thing in the home-grown Language for Interactive Multimedia Pages.

Ben L.

@morbiuswilters said:

@El_Heffe said:
@flabdablet said:
Horsepenis

Just wait until they rewrite the whole thing in the home-grown Language for Interactive Multimedia Pages.

Filed under: At least they ditched plans for Functional Language Adept at Composition of Complex Internet Data..

I'm still waiting for the port to Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym.

dhromed

@flabdablet said:

OK, so I've just unwept the first of my weeping customers

If this client is such a mindless banshees, what possible feature of Firefox could they be using that makes Australis unusable or even slightly befuddling to them?

Inquiring minds sort of want to know I guess.

dhromed

@Ben L. said:

Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym.

CLWNPA

-> ClownPram?

morbiuswilters

@dhromed said:

CLWNPA
-> ClownPram?

O_o That's not how "pa" is pronounced..

I thought Mozilla was already using the Forth Universial Compiler Kernel. .

flabdablet

@dhromed said:

@flabdablet said:
OK, so I've just unwept the first of my weeping customers

If this client is such a mindless banshees, what possible feature of Firefox could they be using that makes Australis unusable or even slightly befuddling to them?
Inquiring minds sort of want to know I guess.

Be nice; the guy is 92 years old, he's spent the last two years learning his way around his browser, and he couldn't find the thing that shows him his passwords any more.

morbiuswilters

@flabdablet said:

@dhromed said:
@flabdablet said:
OK, so I've just unwept the first of my weeping customers

If this client is such a mindless banshees, what possible feature of Firefox could they be using that makes Australis unusable or even slightly befuddling to them?
Inquiring minds sort of want to know I guess.
Be nice; the guy is 92 years old, he's spent the last two years learning his way around his browser, and he couldn't find the thing that shows him his passwords any more.

Car-rou-sel! Car-rou-sel! Car-rou-sel!

LoremIpsum

I'm certainly glad I was ready for Australis now. Ironically, I was unable to donate to the add-on maker using Firefox because:

Load denied by X-Frame-Options: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_dispatch-failed does not permit cross-origin framing.

I guess Mozilla didn't test this either!

Also, I like Morb's new sig that makes me agree with them.

mott555

The new Firefox interferes with my AMD drivers somehow. Any time I open or close a tab, my entire screen shifts upward by the height of the tab strip, but only for about 0.3 seconds. Quite annoying.