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@Zecc said:
I play this a lot:
(you can probably deduce what's going on pretty easily)
The reasonings I make to solve the puzzles are exactly the same every single time, and they're not even hard. Yet, I enjoy playing these again and again and again. There's no real challenge, but they soothe me. It ends up becoming mindless... well, perhaps not "fun", but entertainment in any case. Most of the time the speed in which I can solve these is limited only by how fast and accurate I can move my mouse.
Wel yeah, that's exactly (exactly!) how games like Diablo III and WoW work (provided they can hook your mind). A bit more XP. A bit more loot. Yay. It's like candy for the mind. Stuffing your brainmouth with Pringles. Nom nom nom nom.
But you're going to have to make yourself a proper meal now and then.
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@derari said:
I know there are the two portals and I somehow have to squirt white gel into them, just like the last time, but it still feels good once you did it.
QOOC. Just because.
<font color="white">Yes, I know this was probably the intent. And if you're reading this in email, this line is in a white font. Pretend you can't see it.</font>
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@dhromed said:
[quote
user="blakeyrat"]Anyway, point is: once you know how to create the iron
golem farmer thing, I wouldn't have any patience to spend <dfn class="dictionary-of-numbers dictionary-of-numbers-quantity-43200s dictionary-of-numbers-processed">12 hours</dfn>
actually building the thing because it would be boring as shit. But
maybe I'm just a mutant.It's not about building the farm.
The farm gets you other things. I.E. more iron. It's all an
implementation of a solution to a problem.[/quote]
But once I know how to get the iron and all that's left is multiple hours of boring work, I'd rather cheat me the iron and continue doing something fun instead (assuming you can have fun with the iron). In an actual game, obtaining the iron would be a challenge and getting to use it the reward.
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@lucas said:
Also pretty much nobody in Britain calls themselves British unless they are some sort of Politician. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish do not call thereselves "British", I dunno why this is such a difficult concept for most Americans.
We understand the concept. But you get all pissy when we call you by your proper name -- Those Limey Bastards.
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@lucas said:
Also pretty much nobody in Britain calls themselves British unless they are some sort of Politician. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish do not call thereselves "British", I dunno why this is such a difficult concept for most Americans.
We often call you all "English." Especially if we know you're from Scotland. But sometimes, when we're not trolling you, we call you by your country name. I know that you guys call England, et.al., countries, but they're really more like our states. And after we fought a war to stop calling ourselves British, we fought a war that marks the line where we started thinking of ourselves as Americans before Virginians, New Yorkers, Massholes, etc. "The United States" vs "These United States."
What do you guys have against the British anyways?
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@boomzilla said:
but they're really more like our states.
Until (well, if) Scotland secedes next year - if they can decide which bits of the UK they want to keep that is.
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@lucas said:
No we say it "beta", at lease we don't say "beayta" like most Americans.
Either you've never heard an American actually say "beta", or you spelled your pronunciation wrong. Either way, you spelled "least" wrong.
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@dhromed said:
@Zecc said:
I play this a lot:
(you can probably deduce what's going on pretty easily)
The reasonings I make to solve the puzzles are exactly the same every
single time, and they're not even hard. Yet, I enjoy playing these again
and again and again. There's no real challenge, but they soothe me. It
ends up becoming mindless... well, perhaps not "fun", but entertainment
in any case. Most of the time the speed in which I can solve these is
limited only by how fast and accurate I can move my mouse.Wel yeah, that's exactly (exactly!) how games like Diablo III and WoW work (provided they can hook your mind). A bit more XP. A bit more loot. Yay. It's like candy for the mind. Stuffing your brainmouth with Pringles. Nom nom nom nom.
But you're going to have to make yourself a proper meal now and then.
Let's just distill this right down to Progress Quest. That should appeal to both Blakey (no usability fails here!) and morbs (no tedious puzzles, either!)
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@derari said:
@dhromed said:
[quote
user="blakeyrat"]Anyway, point is: once you know how to create the iron
golem farmer thing, I wouldn't have any patience to spend 12 hours
actually building the thing because it would be boring as shit. But
maybe I'm just a mutant.It's not about building the farm.
The farm gets you other things. I.E. more iron. It's all an
implementation of a solution to a problem.
But once I know how to get the iron and all that's left is multiple hours of boring work, I'd rather cheat me the iron and continue doing something fun instead (assuming you can have fun with the iron). In an actual game, obtaining the iron would be a challenge and getting to use it the reward.[/quote]In this case, I'd rather not cheat. You can think of it like a conduct in Nethack. Having said that, I don't have any desire to build one by hand the second time.
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@PJH said:
@boomzilla said:
but they're really more like our states.
Until (well, if) Scotland secedes next year - if they can decide which bits of the UK they want to keep that is.No, some of our states tried that, too. If they were as big a welfare suck then as Scotland is today, we might have let them go, too.
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@dhromed said:
It's not about building the farm.
The farm gets you other things. I.E. more iron. It's all an
implementation of a solution to a problem.Yeah but that's stupid, because it's a virtual world made out of pixels. Just use a fucking cheat code and make the iron, why would you spend 12 hours of your life building a virtual machine to make virtual iron to make more virtual machines? You're just writing a database query is the most tedious way possible.
@dhromed said:
In RPGs, the meta game for me is always to find the (local?) optimum of powers/skills/traits/gear/whatever. That's the winning conditin for me. Not the final boss-- although that can be seen as the final exam. And good games will set up a boss fight as a final exam: if you haven't been paying attention learning the game mechanics, you should fail the boss.
Boring. In RPGs, I create a character and play a role. (Shocking I know.) I don't create a character based on what set of power gives the most min/max benefit of skill points or whatever because that's just fucking math. If you're just working it all out on a spreadsheet, what's the fucking point? That's not playing a game, that's math homework.
That said I do get annoyed at RPGs that make some character builds just simply not work. But only shitty ones (Japanese ones!) do that.
@dhromed said:
Hell, you should fail the game if you're not going to actively learn it.
An RPG is about telling a story in a unique world, not about memorizing equations. Fuck. I've played 3-4 Skyrim characters to "the end" (meaning: mostly only radiant quests left, or quests that don't apply to the character) and I couldn't tell you at gunpoint how it calculates armor values because I don't care. Because Skyrim is so emergent, it turns out that each character's story is essentially a different one, and because the creators of Skyrim aren't dicks, you can make any kind of character and still win the game. The only exceptions are characters that logically shouldn't be able to "win the game", i.e. 100% pacifists.
My favorite RPG experience is when I played a MUD (one where the creators were happily willing to throw game mechanics in the trash if they got in the way of a good story) and my character was a *lawyer*.
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@blakeyrat said:
Because Skyrim is so emergent, it turns out that each character's story is essentially a different one, and because the creators of Skyrim aren't dicks, you can make any kind of character and still win the game. The only exceptions are characters that logically shouldn't be able to "win the game", i.e. 100% pacifists.
Why won't they give peace a (fighting) chance?@blakeyrat said:My favorite RPG experience is when I played a MUD (one where the creators were happily willing to throw game mechanics in the trash if they got in the way of a good story) and my character was a *lawyer*.
Sounds interesting. Was one of the attacks suing for damages?
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@boomzilla said:
If they were as big a welfare suck then as Scotland is today, we might have let them go, too.
Ah - therein lies a difference/problem. The English, Welsh (and I suppose you could include the Northern Irish) don't get a vote on the secession. It's purely a Scottish vote as to whether to leave the UK - the other three don't get asayvote in the matter.
Of course, if we did, then the West Lothian question (closely related to the Barnett formula) would get raised (basically the subsidy the rest of the UK gives to Scotland - see links if you're really that interested) and they'd probably be out on their ear.
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@Zecc said:
Sounds interesting. Was one of the attacks suing for damages?
That MUD had an alternate experience system ("RP Points, or RPP") that was based on, basically, how creative your character was, how well and often you interacted with other characters, and how well your writing was. Each player got a daily allotment of RPP to give to other players. It worked surprisingly well.
That character I had actually leveled up in the "old" system (the MUD was based on the SMAUG codebase, so it still had all the D&D bullshit in it) and later switched him to RP-only. Later though, to prove a point, I did level 2 characters from level 1 to the level 50 cap using only RPP.
I should find a new RP-based MUD or ... whatever's out there now. Man I miss the storytelling. Now that's compelling gameplay.
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@FrostCat said:
@lucas said:
No we say it "beta", at lease we don't say "beayta" like most Americans.
Either you've never heard an American actually say "beta", or you spelled your pronunciation wrong. Either way, you spelled "least" wrong.
It was obviously a typo. Yes I heard a lot of Americans say beta and somehow you add a "ay" sound before the t.
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@Zecc said:
@blakeyrat said:
Because Skyrim is so emergent, it turns out that each character's story is essentially a different one, and because the creators of Skyrim aren't dicks, you can make any kind of character and still win the game. The only exceptions are characters that logically shouldn't be able to "win the game", i.e. 100% pacifists.
Why won't they give peace a (fighting) chance?You can win as a technical pacifist (a couple different ways actually.) You just can't win as a pure pacifist.
At the very least you have to kill (perform actions that result in the death of) 3 dragons. (Although, IIRC, you *only* have to kill 3 dragons...) (EDIT: oh wait you have to get the dragonstone off of a draugr, which brings up the "is killing a draugr actually murder?" point. In any case, you could probably elude him until his alert level went down then pickpocket the dragonstone. Probably. I've never tried it.)
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@boomzilla said:
We often call you all "English." Especially if we know you're from Scotland. But sometimes, when we're not trolling you, we call you by your country name. I know that you guys call England, et.al., countries, but they're really more like our states. And after we fought a war to stop calling ourselves British, we fought a war that marks the line where we started thinking of ourselves as Americans before Virginians, New Yorkers, Massholes, etc. "The United States" vs "These United States."TBH it is incredibly hard sometimes to know whether it is trolling or not (maybe that is the point) because over the seas we usually get exposed to some news clips that are so factually inaccurate from your broadcasters that it is utterly hilarious. So you have to forgive us if it is hard to tell the difference.
@boomzilla said:
What do you guys have against the British anyways?
The thing is that the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish tend to are quite different culturally. The North and the South of England are massively different culturally as well. Then again I suppose referring everyone as America is like saying someone from New York is culturally the same as someone from Austin Texas.
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@lucas said:
TBH it is incredibly hard sometimes to know whether it is trolling or not (maybe that is the point) because over the seas we usually get exposed to some news clips that are so factually inaccurate from your broadcasters that it is utterly hilarious.
Don't feel special. They do that about everything.
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@lucas said:
TBH it is incredibly hard sometimes to know whether it is trolling or not (maybe that is the point) because over the seas we usually get exposed to some news clips that are so factually inaccurate from your broadcasters that it is utterly hilarious. So you have to forgive us if it is hard to tell the difference.
Mmm, yes, because British media would never report something wildly factually inaccurate like that plants do math.
@lucas said:
@boomzilla said:
What do you guys have against the British anyways?
The thing is that the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish tend to are quite different culturally. The North and the South of England are massively different culturally as well. Then again I suppose referring everyone as America is like saying someone from New York is culturally the same as someone from Austin Texas.
Ironically you picked the city in Texas most like New York, culturally speaking. Salt Lake City would probably have been more accurate.
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@blakeyrat said:
Just use a fucking cheat code.
That's an interesting statement. So you don't have a problem with cheating in games, at least in principle. (ETA: That's not supposed to be any kind of value judgment. I don't care what you do in any game I'm not also in.) (I'm not opposed to it but I prefer to avoid it, which was the whole point behind deciding to build a golem farm as opposed to doing it in cheat mode or with an editor. In this case, having had the experience, I don't think I'd make the effort again.)
I mean, when you get down to it, why bother running in a marathon? You could drive from the start to the finish much faster.
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We build all our stuff in survival Mode because of the challenge.
We also don't really do golem farms except as an academic experiment, because with a tiny bit of effort you can figure out the most efficient mining pattern* and make sure your diamond tools are enchanted with efficiency and unbreaking— which requires resources also, which means more challenge.
Iron up the wazoo. Even diamonds up the wazoo. Lapis is still a problem, though. Because of the block conversion* you're effectively reduced to 11% efficieny.
There's no fucking point to using a cheat code. Building a golem farm is not the same thing. It's a challenge to design and build one, and that is the game. Hell, Minecraft pre-empts cheat codes by giving you creative mode. There. All the cheats you could ever want, as if to say; Having fun? HAVING FUN, ARE YOU? WELL?
*) the JohnSmith texture pack has Lapis Block textures that are pretty to build structures with.
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@FrostCat said:
Ironically you picked the city in Texas most like New York, culturally speaking. Salt Lake City would probably have been more accurate.
I think I missed something here. Or does the Salt Lake City that everyone's heard of, the one in Utah, have a less famous namesake in Texas?
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You are a mutant. Well, not a mutant, just lazy.
See, sometimes it's not just about the destination, it's about the journey as well. It's about being to say to your friends and peers, "Hey, check out this thing I built."If I take a woodworking class and build a table, it's still an accomplishment. Even if someone else has built a table before, they haven't built *my* table. When I get a black belt in karate, it doesn't matter that others have been getting black belts for centuries now. What matters is that *I* did it. If I jog a marathon, the fact that some greek dude did it first doesn't take away from what I managed to do.
Honestly, you're not that special. Lots of people don't have the patience or discipline to spend that much time on a singular goal. And that's what makes doing it noteworthy.
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@FrostCat said:
That's an interesting statement. So you don't have a problem with cheating in games, at least in principle.
Not in a single player game, or a game whose sole purpose is to use as a digital lego set. If you're out of legos, make more.
If you're playing Minecraft as a "survival" game, then you wouldn't be building 2374 cities in 3 cubes in the first place, that seems to be utterly missing the point.
@FrostCat said:
I mean, when you get down to it, why bother running in a marathon?
I have no idea. I think people who run marathons are crazy.
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@Snooder said:
You are a mutant. Well, not a mutant, just lazy.
Obviously I feel the way I do because I am inferior to you. I bow before you, my lord. Please, please condescend more.
@Snooder said:
If I take a woodworking class and build a table, it's still an accomplishment.
A table is an actual physical THING. You can put drinks on it. Or stand on it to change a lightbulb.
Minecraft is just a database. Not even a pretty database like Skyrim, just a utilitarian database. It's just numbers.
@Snooder said:
And that's what makes doing it noteworthy.
We just disagree on what counts as noteworthy. I'm not telling other people to stop playing Minecraft, or whatever you imagine I'm doing. I'm just saying it's not for me.
On the other hand, I can play an open world emergent moddable game like Skyrim until the end of time. Maybe you don't like Skyrim. That's ok. I do.
It's ok for me to have a different opinion than you. That doesn't make my opinion worse, or yours better. So stop being a condescending prick about it.
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@blakeyrat said:
It's ok for me to have a different opinion than you. That doesn't make my opinion worse, or yours better. So stop being a condescending prick about it.
You know, you'd have much better case with that if you hadn't originally said:
@blakeyrat said:
You're objectively wrong.
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@Snooder said:
@blakeyrat said:
You know, you'd have much better case with that if you hadn't originally said:Snooder, this way madness lies. He's already forgotten that and he meant something else anyways. He just wants more of the condescending prick schtick to himself.
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@Snooder said:
You know, you'd have much better case with that if you hadn't originally said:
@blakeyrat said:
You're objectively wrong.
Seriously? You didn't realize that was a joke?
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@blakeyrat said:
emergent moddable game like Skyrim
How is Skyrim emergent? Random events don't count.
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@dhromed said:
@blakeyrat said:
emergent moddable game like Skyrim
How is Skyrim emergent? Random events don't count.If the Skyrim AI ain't emergent, ain't nothing emergent.
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@dhromed said:
How is Skyrim emergent? Random events don't count.
I don't know Skyrim, but random events could at the very least give a good appearance of emergent behavior, which doesn't necessarily require a lot of complexity.
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@dhromed said:
Most Skyrim Bugs are quite random.@blakeyrat said:
emergent moddable game like Skyrim
How is Skyrim emergent? Random events don't count.
@blakeyrat said:
On the other hand, I can play an open world emergent moddable game like Skyrim until the end of time.
I'm 250 hours in the game and considering to buy the addons, because I'm running out of interesting characters to play.
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@pjt33 said:
@FrostCat said:
Ironically you picked the city in Texas most like New York, culturally speaking. Salt Lake City would probably have been more accurate.
I think I missed something here. Or does the Salt Lake City that everyone's heard of, the one in Utah, have a less famous namesake in Texas?No, I started out trying to think of a less liberal city than Austin, which is all of them, but they're still all more liberal than the rest of the state, and I figured non-Texans weren't going to be aware of, say, Midlothian or Bowie, so I jumped thought of SLC and forgot to mention I jumped of state.
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@blakeyrat said:
@Snooder said:
You know, you'd have much better case with that if you hadn't originally said:
@blakeyrat said:
You're objectively wrong.
Seriously? You didn't realize that was a joke?
To be fair, with you it's hard to tell. I assumed you were trolling and just ignored it as not even wrong.
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@FrostCat said:
@pjt33 said:
@FrostCat said:
Ironically you picked the city in Texas most like New York, culturally speaking. Salt Lake City would probably have been more accurate.
I think I missed something here. Or does the Salt Lake City that everyone's heard of, the one in Utah, have a less famous namesake in Texas?No, I started out trying to think of a less liberal city than Austin, which is all of them, but they're still all more liberal than the rest of the state, and I figured non-Texans weren't going to be aware of, say, Midlothian or Bowie, so I jumped thought of SLC and forgot to mention I jumped of state.
Oh cmon. Lubbock, Abilene? Midland-Odessa? Plenty of nicely conservative cities in Texas. Midland-Odessa at the very least people should have heard of from Friday Night Lights. And is probably exactly what people imagine when they think of Texas. Oil rigs, ranches and Baptists, mm.
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@lucas said:
No we say it "beta", at lease we don't say "beayta" like most Americans.
If you use a long e, you are wrong.
@lucas said:
Also pretty much nobody in Britain calls themselves British unless they are some sort of Politician. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish do not call thereselves "British", I dunno why this is such a difficult concept for most Americans.
Do I care? Oh, I'm supposed to call you all by whichever tribe dragged itself away from incestuous sex in a pile of pig filth long enough to conquer a small bit of land? Do you call Americans by which state they're from?
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@derari said:
but they always require actual thinking
So does calculating Pi to 10k digits by-hand. Or committing the entirety of Les Miserables to memory. That doesn't make them worthwhile.
@derari said:
and give a feeling of accomplishment.
I guess if you like to see an imaginary progress bar go up.. Personally, I'd rather have a sense of accomplishment based on actually accomplishing something concrete, like tending a garden or building something or getting blackout drunk and fondling my neighbor's sheep.
@derari said:
but it still feels good once you did it.
For you. It usually just gets on my nerves. And I usually just feel vaguely ill and depressed after playing video games, like I completely squandered a good day.
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@lucas said:
someone from New York is culturally the same as someone from Austin Texas.
I think about 90% of Austinians are from New York. (Hint: I know Austin is in Texas, but there's a reason it's called "The People's Republic of Austin". It's a liberal lala-land full of smelly, stupid hippie scum.)
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@Snooder said:
If I take a woodworking class and build a table, it's still an accomplishment. Even if someone else has built a table before, they haven't built my table. When I get a black belt in karate, it doesn't matter that others have been getting black belts for centuries now. What matters is that I did it. If I jog a marathon, the fact that some greek dude did it first doesn't take away from what I managed to do.
No. See, a table or a marathon are actual, tangible goals. They are things worth doing. Spending your time sitting in front of a fucking screen while your one-and-only life slips away, doing the equivalent of manipulating an Excel spreadsheet, but with a 3-D interface.. that's not anything. That's meaningless.
A table is useful. You could give it to your kids (and assuming you haven't raised little shits) it's something they will cherish for life, even after you're dead. It's a real, human connection with actual human beings. You think your kids want your fucking RPG character you spend 500 hours on? Or the worthless junk you built in Minecraft?
Running a marathon is good for you; might help burn off some of that flab you've put on playing vidja games. You could meet other people, really challenge some part of your body that isn't your fingers or bladder.
No, you are the mutant. You are lazy. Because you're pissing your life away on hollow, meaningless digital pursuits. Now, if you want to do that, fine, but don't criticize people who are looking for the most entertainment value for their buck. Calling someone lazy because they'd rather play a fun game and then shut it off and do something in the real world as well--instead of spending hundreds of hours clicking around in a poorly-rendered digital world, fucking mining--that's crazy.
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@pjt33 said:
@FrostCat said:
Ironically you picked the city in Texas most like New York, culturally speaking. Salt Lake City would probably have been more accurate.
I think I missed something here. Or does the Salt Lake City that everyone's heard of, the one in Utah, have a less famous namesake in Texas?Yes, you did miss something. lucas was making a point about how the US has vast cultural differences, and he gave NYC and Austin as examples. Now this is a bad example, because Austin is closer to NYC than he probably thought, so FrostCat brought up SLC. This wasn't "pick a city in Texas that's as far from NYC as you can get", it's "pick a city in the US that's as far from NYC as you can get".
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@morbiuswilters said:
spending hundreds of hours clicking around in a poorly-rendered digital world, fucking mining--that's crazy.
Oh man he's a EVE Online player, too???
NOTE TO IDIOTS: THIS POST IS AN OBVIOUS JOKE.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@lucas said:
someone from New York is culturally the same as someone from Austin Texas.
I think about 90% of Austinians are from New York. (Hint: I know Austin is in Texas, but there's a reason it's called "The People's Republic of Austin". It's a liberal lala-land full of smelly, stupid hippie scum.)
New York people suck. From the three Storage Wars franchises (California, Texas, New York), the New York one managed to have the ugliest cast. Which is quite an achievement after seeing the cast from Storage Wars Texas.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@derari said:
but they always require actual thinking
So does calculating Pi to 10k digits by-hand. Or committing the entirety of Les Miserables to memory. That doesn't make them worthwhile.
@derari said:
and give a feeling of accomplishment.
I guess if you like to see an imaginary progress bar go up.. Personally, I'd rather have a sense of accomplishment based on actually accomplishing something concrete, like tending a garden or building something or getting blackout drunk and fondling my neighbor's sheep.
@derari said:
but it still feels good once you did it.
For you. It usually just gets on my nerves. And I usually just feel vaguely ill and depressed after playing video games, like I completely squandered a good day.
Calculating Pi requires repetetive calculations, not actual thinking. Tending a garden is also always the same. The value of a tended garden is just the same as of a completed sudoku.
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@morbiuswilters said:
A table is useful. You could give it to your kids (and assuming you haven't raised little shits) it's something they will cherish for life, even after you're dead. It's a real, human connection with actual human beings. You think your kids want your fucking RPG character you spend 500 hours on? Or the worthless junk you built in Minecraft?
.Do you think your kids want your 10k dailywtf forum posts? Sometimes, people just do what they enjoy, no matter how useful for the world.
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@morbiuswilters said:
A table is useful. You could give it to your kids (and assuming you haven't raised little shits) it's something they will cherish for life, even after you're dead. It's a real, human connection with actual human beings. You think your kids want your fucking RPG character you spend 500 hours on? Or the worthless junk you built in Minecraft?
Haha no. Trust me, that shitty table you built in a two week woodshop class is just as fucking useless as anything anyone has ever built in minecraft. At least the minecraft stuff is digital and won't end up costing someone money to get rid of. Meanwhile, if I, for example, spend a week building a castle in Minecraft with my hypothetical kids, you can be damn sure they'll cherish those moments for the rest of their lives. Just like I remember the sand castles I built as a kid even after the tide washed them away.
No, you are the mutant. You are lazy. Because you're pissing your life away on hollow, meaningless digital pursuits. Now, if you want to do that, fine, but don't criticize people who are looking for the most entertainment value for their buck. Calling someone lazy because they'd rather play a fun game and then shut it off and do something in the real world as well--instead of spending hundreds of hours clicking around in a poorly-rendered digital world, fucking mining--that's crazy.
Except, and this is really important here, that's not what I'm criticizing him for. If he just prefers to go rock-climbing or wrestle bears instead of playing video games, sure whatever, all power to him. Someone needs to keep ER surgeons paid, and the typical gunshot victim isn't exactly a fountain of ready cash.
No, what I'm criticizing him for is his sneering contempt at the very idea that someone might actually approach a hobby with dedication or focus. That anyone might care to do something himself and take pride in having actually done it, instead of just reading a manual and going "yeah whatevs, shit's so easy I can do it in my sleep" like the laziest goddamn poser that has ever been born.
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@Ronald said:
Which is quite an achievement after seeing the cast from Storage Wars Texas.
I like how they're all wearing cowboy boots. Like "Hey, people might forget this is Texas if everyone doesn't look like some pussy Hollywood fantasy of what Texas is like!"
Seriously, what kind of douchebag would wear cowboy boots on a day-to-day basis? Especially when you consider that if you put the people in that photo on horses, half would have to be put down for having their spines snap or their leg bones shatter.
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@derari said:
Tending a garden is also always the same.
Um, have you ever seen a plant? Though I suppose you could be using a value for "same" so that climbing a flight of stairs is the "same" as climbing a mountain.
@derari said:
The value of a tended garden is just the same as of a completed sudoku.
So you complete a bunch of them over time and then eat the collection?
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@derari said:
@morbiuswilters said:
A table is useful. You could give it to your kids (and assuming you haven't raised little shits) it's something they will cherish for life, even after you're dead. It's a real, human connection with actual human beings. You think your kids want your fucking RPG character you spend 500 hours on? Or the worthless junk you built in Minecraft?
.Do you think your kids want your 10k dailywtf forum posts? Sometimes, people just do what they enjoy, no matter how useful for the world.
derari wins
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@derari said:
Calculating Pi requires repetetive calculations, not actual thinking.
And sudoku doesn't??
@derari said:
Tending a garden is also always the same.
No, tending a garden doesn't require thinking at all. It's pleasant and relaxing. It's not fucking math homework, you twat.
@derari said:
The value of a tended garden is just the same as of a completed sudoku.
Do you eat your finished sudokus? (Actually, that would explain a lot..)
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@derari said:
Do you think your kids want your 10k dailywtf forum posts?
They better, because that's all they're getting from my cold, dead hands.
@derari said:
Sometimes, people just do what they enjoy, no matter how useful for the world.
Okay, but what you enjoy is objectively stupid, shallow and pathetic. At least composing 10k forum posts requires creative writing skills. What does sitting in a darkened room, mashing buttons while your arteries slowly harden require?
