Twl
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@Ronald said:
Also look more carefully at her picture, looks like God put an "align=right" on her chin. That or she was raised by italians.
Probably has sharp knees, too.
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Judging from the pictures, I think he wants to nail her. And apparently, you can join too!
Well, it's no Irish Girl, but as the great philosopher Mick Jagger once said - you can't always get what you want. Say, where can I see the list of positions available?
*clicks Jobs link*
Wha... mailto? YOU TWO CAN GO PERFORM FELLATIO ON A CACTUS. And you can terminate my account for saying that anytime you want.
I've run across this type of company before. The "Founder/CEO/President/Unemployed techie guy who doesn't want a 9-5 job anymore" looks at bit.ly and decides "hey, I could totally code something like that and make my own company. I don't need to get *ALL* of bit.ly's business, I just need a little slice of it. I should be a millionaire by the end of they year".
Except that this company's line of thinking was more like this guy from an urban legend, who supposedly put a "pirated Google shortcut" on some unaware grandma's desktop for $50. I bet their next project will be creating a new search engine, which will contain a Google custom search box and a Paypal button.
Oh, and that onscreen keyboard? I don't think it's for security. I think they haven't quite figured out handling keyboard events in HOPE.
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From their about page, I learned that it's "tool box." Nevertheless, I can't read it as anything but "towel box," which makes as much sense as anything else they're doing.
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Hey guys,
I'm Josh, the engineer who started TwlBox. Thanks a ton for all the feedback I'll definitely use it while improving the product. I don't have the time/energy right now to get into individual conversations addressing everyone's punches so i'll quickly touch upon some of the general causes of frustration/concern/doubt/hatred.
The "On screen" Keyboard
- I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
Bitly
- I LOVE bitly and think John Borthwick, Hilary Mason, and the Betaworks team in general make awesome products (I was a paid chartbeat user for some time:) and as a 20 year old engineer from Boston (only a bus ride away), I'd love to talk to them. I can totally see where the bitly comparisons come from, but would rather continue building and make the distinctions clear via execution rather than spill my guts to save face on this site.
Pricing
Why would YOU pay $10-$50 for a Twl?
- YOU wouldn't.
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Please don't hesitate to type the Twl: Josh or send me emails at josh@joftware.com with more feedback!
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- I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
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Here's his demo for how convenient TWL is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbr8dVS-8vc
(it shows how you can download chrome by typing C H R O M E with the on-screen keyboard)
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We've come a long way - and will continue to do so!
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@TwlBox said:
Always keep your
twltowel handy.
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@TwlBox said:
Hey guys,
I'm Josh, the engineer who started TwlBox. Thanks a ton for all the feedback I'll definitely use it while improving the product. I don't have the time/energy right now to get into individual conversations addressing everyone's punches so i'll quickly touch upon some of the general causes of frustration/concern/doubt/hatred.
The "On screen" Keyboard
- I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
Bitly
- I LOVE bitly and think John Borthwick, Hilary Mason, and the Betaworks team in general make awesome products (I was a paid chartbeat user for some time:) and as a 20 year old engineer from Boston (only a bus ride away), I'd love to talk to them. I can totally see where the bitly comparisons come from, but would rather continue building and make the distinctions clear via execution rather than spill my guts to save face on this site.
Pricing
Why would YOU pay $10-$50 for a Twl?
- YOU wouldn't.
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Please don't hesitate to type the Twl: Josh or send me emails at josh@joftware.com with more feedback!
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I gotta give him credit for remaining upbeat and optimistic in the face of our hatred.
- I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
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I guess that the YouTube video conveniently cut out the page loading. That, or they're optimizing it by background loading, but I'm not sure you can even do it, and I don't believe they do.
@TwlBox said:
The "On screen" Keyboard
- I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
Why would you need your keyboard, on-screen or not, to do anything other than typing text? Especially on the page that's just "type 3 letters - enter website"?
Bitly
- I LOVE bitly and think John Borthwick, Hilary Mason, and the Betaworks team in general make awesome products (I was a paid chartbeat user for some time:) and as a 20 year old engineer from Boston (only a bus ride away), I'd love to talk to them. I can totally see where the bitly comparisons come from, but would rather continue building and make the distinctions clear via execution rather than spill my guts to save face on this site.
First:
@BitLy ToS said:You shall not: (i) take any action that imposes or may impose (as determined by Bitly in its sole discretion) an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on Bitly’s (or its third party providers’) infrastructure;
Don't worry, they'll come talk to you if your project actually starts off. Second: you can't really make any distinctions and pretend that we only "draw some comparisons", if your website is essentially a bitly URL shortener.
Oh, and third (a bit unrelated): YOUR CODING IS INSANE. Check the thread to find out why. Currently, I don't see any hope (pun unintended) for this site other that scraping everything and starting from the very beginning.
Pricing
Why would YOU pay $10-$50 for a Twl?
- YOU wouldn't.
NOBODY would. Unless your target is "certifably insane people", but I'm not sure they can sign agreements.
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@TwlBox said:
Hey guys, I'm Josh, the engineer who started TwlBox. Thanks a ton for all the feedback I'll definitely use it while improving the product. I don't have the time/energy right now to get into individual conversations addressing everyone's punches
This is not feedback. We are talking about you, not to you.
@TwlBox said:
The "On screen" Keyboard
- I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
At the moment it's the exact opposite, so yes, bold is an understatement.
@TwlBox said:
I can totally see where the bitly comparisons come from, but would rather continue building and make the distinctions clear via execution rather than spill my guts to save face on this site.
Copying and (possibly) slightly adapting an existing concept is a business model (ask Apple) but you can't do that and bitch about people calling you out. Also explaining yourself while saying you don't have time to explain yourself is lame.
@TwlBox said:
Why would YOU pay $10-$50 for a Twl?
- YOU wouldn't.
Again, if you target morons don't get all pissy when people call you out.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I gotta give him credit for remaining upbeat and optimistic in the face of our hatred.
It's not hatred, it's tough love (as in: it's tough to love this awful product)
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@TwlBox said:
I know it's a bold statement, but eventually you'll be able to do things with it that currently aren't possible with your device's native mobile keyboard or hardware keyboard.
When do you guys plan to integrate with Lotus Notes?
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@boomzilla said:
When do you guys plan to integrate with Lotus Notes?
Interfacing with Remedy ARS would be just as appropriate.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Rendering in a browser lets you use libraries like jQuery and modernizr to deal with browser differences.
I immediately thought about that as I was pressing post, but then I thought "ah screw it, I wanna hear his rationale".
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@Ben L. said:
@Suburban_Decay said:
My Symbol MC75 with the decode set to "strict" pops up an error: "QR Code: Level L redundancy near error limits. Check print quality.", but it still scans. I don't have my Denso-wave reader handy, but I betcha it'll say something similar, but in Moonspeak, because it's localized to ja_JP and I can't find the option to set it to real people writing.@Ben L. said:
@Ronald said:
worse than QR codes.
That's not difficult. How many other ways of unambiguously putting a long URL on a physical object and still looking semi-professional can you think of?
Plus, you can do cool shit like this:
I hate people that do that with QR codes. I work in prepress and have an idiot VP that tells me our $3000 bar code verifier must be broken because QR codes like that fail QC. He can't get it into his head that QR codes weren't meant to do that and abusing the error correction to get it to still work does not mean it should pass any quality tests.
So, tell me then, what exactly about my 100% valid QR code is an error?
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QR codes are pretty good when you need to store more data in a barcode than a 1D barcode will allow, and when you need to scan in any direction. No internet connection is needed to scan a QR code; you need only a camera, and a software to decode it. (Of course, depending on the format of the data it contains, you may need a program that can use that data, but if it is just ASCII text then it should be easy.)
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@Ronald said:
@SamC said:
They evidently can't decide on whether the company is called "Joftware Inc", or "MENDES-YESUFU"
Joftware is Da Shit. Did you see their other innovative product, DocDock?
Don't click on that link if you are not ready to have your perception of cloud services blown away. (no gay porn)Did that link die overnight or was it always a 403?
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@Ben L. said:
@Ronald said:
@SamC said:
They evidently can't decide on whether the company is called "Joftware Inc", or "MENDES-YESUFU"
Joftware is Da Shit. Did you see their other innovative product, DocDock?
Don't click on that link if you are not ready to have your perception of cloud services blown away. (no gay porn)Did that link die overnight or was it always a 403?
Since it's a 100% client-side architecture I have a "mirror" in my browser cache.
The website is basically a single javascript file. Don't underestimate it until you scroll down a bit.
Here is the look and as you can see Chrome thinks it's in Norwegian... The middle part is spinning by itself:
Then if you click on the big spinny part it shows this:
Clicking on one of the icons barely leads to the cloud service itself (Google Drive, Sky Drive, etc) except for Box.com for which there is a submenu leading to various links on the Box.com site.
True innovation.
Anyone noticed the cursors in the screenshots?
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@Ronald said:
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dafuuq
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@Ben L. said:
@Ronald said:
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dafuuqIn the code it says "Generated by HYPE" so it could be barfed by something like this.
And people say Word HTML sucks...
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@drurowin said:
@Ben L. said:
@Suburban_Decay said:
My Symbol MC75 with the decode set to "strict" pops up an error: "QR Code: Level L redundancy near error limits. Check print quality.", but it still scans. I don't have my Denso-wave reader handy, but I betcha it'll say something similar, but in Moonspeak, because it's localized to ja_JP and I can't find the option to set it to real people writing.@Ben L. said:
@Ronald said:
worse than QR codes.
That's not difficult. How many other ways of unambiguously putting a long URL on a physical object and still looking semi-professional can you think of?
Plus, you can do cool shit like this:
I hate people that do that with QR codes. I work in prepress and have an idiot VP that tells me our $3000 bar code verifier must be broken because QR codes like that fail QC. He can't get it into his head that QR codes weren't meant to do that and abusing the error correction to get it to still work does not mean it should pass any quality tests.
So, tell me then, what exactly about my 100% valid QR code is an error?
I hate QR codes. Why do these things exist? Why are they plastered on every surface? They just ugly things up.
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@Ronald said:
True innovation.
There's an Android app. I don't know if the site was just an advertisement for the Android app, or if the app does the same thing.
I'm tempted to install it, just to see WTF it does.
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@Lorne Kates said:
Not really a WTF. It's not really technically possible to send all the content of the webpage. If you can think of a way to respond to the user's request with a complete webpage, I sure would like to hear about it.
Ever heard of data URIs?
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@Enterprise Architect said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Not really a WTF. It's not really technically possible to send all the content of the webpage. If you can think of a way to respond to the user's request with a complete webpage, I sure would like to hear about it.
Ever heard of data URIs?
Did you actually read the context of the conversation? Nobody should use data URIs to deliver a full page on the web.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Enterprise Architect said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Not really a WTF. It's not really technically possible to send all the content of the webpage. If you can think of a way to respond to the user's request with a complete webpage, I sure would like to hear about it.
Ever heard of data URIs?
Did you actually read the context of the conversation? Nobody should use data URIs to deliver a full page on the web.
He didn't say anything about should. He said "not really technically possible" and "if you can think of a way...I sure would like to hear about it." Given the users of this site, this response was inevitable.
Edit: Oh man, I think I just got an idea for an OMGWTF2 submission. It's a webpage but all the resources are data URIs and then that HTML is converted into a data URI and then that is a QR code you scan.
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@joe.edwards said:
Given the users of this site, this response was inevitable.
And given the users of this site, I should have known I couldn't criticize EA for missing the point without somebody else missing the point.
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@joe.edwards said:
He didn't say anything about should. He said "not really technically possible" and "if you can think of a way...I sure would like to hear about it." Given the users of this site, this response was inevitable.
Precisely.
If any group should know the difference between "can" and "should," it'd be this one.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I hate QR codes. Why do these things exist? Why are they plastered on every surface? They just ugly things up.
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@joe.edwards said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@Enterprise Architect said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Not really a WTF. It's not really technically possible to send all the content of the webpage. If you can think of a way to respond to the user's request with a complete webpage, I sure would like to hear about it.
Ever heard of data URIs?
Did you actually read the context of the conversation? Nobody should use data URIs to deliver a full page on the web.
He didn't say anything about should. He said "not really technically possible" and "if you can think of a way...I sure would like to hear about it." Given the users of this site, this response was inevitable.
Edit: Oh man, I think I just got an idea for an OMGWTF2 submission. It's a webpage but all the resources are data URIs and then that HTML is converted into a data URI and then that is a QR code you scan.I'm all for data URIs because according to wikipedia they are supported by Outlook 2003 and Lotus Notes 8, my two favorites products.
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@Enterprise Architect said:
@joe.edwards said:
He didn't say anything about should. He said "not really technically possible" and "if you can think of a way...I sure would like to hear about it." Given the users of this site, this response was inevitable.
Precisely.
If any group should know the difference between "can" and "should," it'd be this one.
You could also just deliver the site as a single image file. There are actually any number ways that "can" work, if you're willing to be an idiot. But I don't think any of that is what Lorne was asking for. Thank you for missing the point and reminding me why this is the Dumbest Site on the Web™.
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"It's not technically possible."
"Well, technically it can be done (it's just a terrible idea)."
"What, that's a terrible idea!"
"Conceded, but it's technically possible."
"You're missing the point!"
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@morbiuswilters said:
Thank you for missing the point and reminding me why this is the Dumbest Site on the Web™.
Clearly you never visited that one
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@joe.edwards said:
"It's not technically possible."
"Well, technically it can be done (it's just a terrible idea)."
"What, that's a terrible idea!"
"Conceded, but it's technically possible."
"You're missing the point!"Have you been wiretapping my sex life?
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@Maciejasjmj said:
Say, where can I see the list of positions available?
You could try starting with the kama sutra, that should keep you busy for a while.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ronald said:
True innovation.
There's an Android app. I don't know if the site was just an advertisement for the Android app, or if the app does the same thing.
I'm tempted to install it, just to see WTF it does.
Let me tell you what TwlBox app does. When you open it, you see a textbox and some "about" buttons nobody gives a shit about. You click the textbox, expect maybe a keyboard to show up, but it immediately closes your app and opens your browser. So, I think you're giving this guy a lot of benefit of the doubt.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I hate QR codes. Why do these things exist? Why are they plastered on every surface? They just ugly things up.
Those surfaces cost money. QR codes pay for that. So you can put up with the QR codes or stop using the surfaces.
What's good for advertisers is good for society. Why are you trying to hurt America?
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@Enterprise Architect said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Not really a WTF. It's not really technically possible to send all the content of the webpage. If you can think of a way to respond to the user's request with a complete webpage, I sure would like to hear about it.
Ever heard of data URIs?
Those might be useful, but they have limitations. I was hoping for something like HTTP, where the user could make a single request for a webpage, then get sent that entire webpage in response. I know it isn't possible, otherwise I'm sure websites would serve up complete pages without having the user render half of the DOM themselves with Javascript. I guess I'll file this away in the "some day like flying cars" wishbox.
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@Ronald said:
@joe.edwards said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@Enterprise Architect said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Not really a WTF. It's not really technically possible to send all the content of the webpage. If you can think of a way to respond to the user's request with a complete webpage, I sure would like to hear about it.
Ever heard of data URIs?
Did you actually read the context of the conversation? Nobody should use data URIs to deliver a full page on the web.
He didn't say anything about should. He said "not really technically possible" and "if you can think of a way...I sure would like to hear about it." Given the users of this site, this response was inevitable.
Edit: Oh man, I think I just got an idea for an OMGWTF2 submission. It's a webpage but all the resources are data URIs and then that HTML is converted into a data URI and then that is a QR code you scan.I'm all for data URIs because according to wikipedia they are supported by Outlook 2003 and Lotus Notes 8, my two favorites products.
Well, spdy supports pushing pages from the server, so you could configure your server to send the entire page when the HTML part is requested.
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@Lorne Kates said:
Those might be useful, but they have limitations. I was hoping for something like HTTP, where the user could make a single request for a webpage, then get sent that entire webpage in response. I know it isn't possible, otherwise I'm sure websites would serve up complete pages without having the user render half of the DOM themselves with Javascript. I guess I'll file this away in the "some day like flying cars" wishbox.
I'm telling you - one day, maybe in fifty years, maybe in a hundred - we won't have to render anything! Everything will be done on the super-powerful servers and sent as a .PNG image.
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@Maciejasjmj said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Those might be useful, but they have limitations. I was hoping for something like HTTP, where the user could make a single request for a webpage, then get sent that entire webpage in response. I know it isn't possible, otherwise I'm sure websites would serve up complete pages without having the user render half of the DOM themselves with Javascript. I guess I'll file this away in the "some day like flying cars" wishbox.
I'm telling you - one day, maybe in fifty years, maybe in a hundred - we won't have to render anything! Everything will be done on the super-powerful servers and sent as a .PNG image.
Only then will WebForms make any sense.
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@Ben L. said:
@Ronald said:
I'm all for data URIs because according to wikipedia they are supported by Outlook 2003 and Lotus Notes 8, my two favorites products.
Well, spdy supports pushing pages from the server, so you could configure your server to send the entire page when the HTML part is requested.
I bet if you were a vegan and Google opened a butcher shop you would stop being a vegan.
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@Ronald said:
I bet if you were a vegan and Google opened a butcher shop you would stop being a vegan.
If it converts even one vegan...
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@boomzilla said:
@Ronald said:
... into sausage...I bet if you were a vegan and Google opened a butcher shop you would stop being a vegan.
If it converts even one vegan...
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@flabdablet said:
Those surfaces cost money. QR codes pay for that. So you can put up with the QR codes or stop using the surfaces.
What's good for advertisers is good for society. Why are you trying to hurt America?
Thank for you re-affirming my belief that you are retarded and incapable of understanding even a simple argument! Sometimes I wonder if the people I'm arguing against might have cogent points, but then someone like you comes along to remind me that, no, they are literally just bottom-feeding dipshits.
As for QR codes, they're hideous and all they ever seem to encode are URLs. So it's like "Hey, this is uglier and more error-prone than just giving you a short URL! Also, it only works on a smartphone! And good luck trying to use it if you're not right next to the fucking thing you're interested in. And even if you can get over to it and snap the fucking thing, you look like some kind of brain-damaged hobo taking photos of the wall."
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@Ben L. said:
Well, spdy supports pushing pages from the server, so you could configure your server to send the entire page when the HTML part is requested.
What? I really don't think you understand what he's saying. He's wanting to get the entire page delivered in one go, without having to make multiple requests.
Ultimately, I think that's wrong, though. A lot of times a page can be usable before it's fully loaded, so having to wait for the entire thing to download would be a step backwards in those cases.
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@Ronald said:
@Ben L. said:
@Ronald said:
I'm all for data URIs because according to wikipedia they are supported by Outlook 2003 and Lotus Notes 8, my two favorites products.
Well, spdy supports pushing pages from the server, so you could configure your server to send the entire page when the HTML part is requested.
I bet if you were a vegan and Google opened a butcher shop you would stop being a vegan.
Dude, if Google starts selling Windows, he is so there.
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@Lorne Kates said:
@boomzilla said:
@Ronald said:
... into sausage...I bet if you were a vegan and Google opened a butcher shop you would stop being a vegan.
If it converts even one vegan...
Racist.
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@morbiuswilters said:
you look like some kind of brain-damaged hobo taking photos of the wall
with his iPhone of course, because hobos would never use stinkin droids.
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@Lorne Kates said:
Drawing a circle is so HARD, man. Let's just draw really really rounded rectangles. Nobody will be able to tell the difference.@Ronald said:
african-american
I don't like this term because it covers either all human Americans or all black humans depending on how stupid the person interpreting it is. That's way too ambiguous.