In other news today...
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The Unity conspiracy train in full flow on the Reddits:
https://www.reddit.com/r/unity/comments/16j23ci/i_know_people_dont_want_to_hear_this_you_shouldnt/
I think the take away is less full on conspiracy (I do not expect Unity stuff to start to be flagged as malware anytime soon) but the names and the connections are legit shady, and supports the thinking that this isn’t some random brain fart by the board.
It also paints the actions of the CEO in a slightly more palatable light. Not much, but it would explain the direction of Unity the last few years.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
The Unity conspiracy train in full flow on the Reddits:
I'm not sure a Costco sized bag of popcorn is enough. For one day...
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@Arantor Genshin Impact is a Unity game with "a couple" of installs that makes "a little" money. It's also made in China, so I imagine they could just tell Unity to stuff it.
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@Parody Indeed they could. I've heard figures like 3.3m monthly installs which of course is exactly the sort of market Unity is thinking of here.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Parody Indeed they could. I've heard figures like 3.3m monthly installs which of course is exactly the sort of market Unity is thinking of here.
Funny thing: imagine all ~8 billion people in the world installed the game. At the Unity Enterprise rate that'd be $80 million. Genshin makes roughly that much in 3 months...in China, on iOS alone. The worldwide estimate ($2B per year) would put the cost at about 2 weeks of revenue.
Whales be crazy, yo.
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@Parody Under the original plan from Unity, every install/uninstall/reinstall would be extra money (since dialled back), second devices still on the table as extra installs.
But why they're pushing so hard to not take a % revenue royalty is batshit insane - and they don't understand why this is a problem for people. They keep pointing to half-ass spreadsheets showing the level of royalty as being lower than Unreal's without pointing out that Unreal's is clearly budgetable and forecastable, while this shitshow just isn't.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
while this shitshow just isn't.
"Just don't become popular. It's not that hard!"
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 So close, yet so far.
"Eepkay the agicmay okesmay in the artsmay ocksray. OK?"
I did wonder how to encode the small words, so didn't bother.
after decoding I still don't get it. smoke and rocks seems something about swampy with his special kinds of smoke and rocks
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 So close, yet so far.
"Eepkay the agicmay okesmay in the artsmay ocksray. OK?"
I did wonder how to encode the small words, so didn't bother.
after decoding I still don't get it. smoke and rocks seems something about swampy with his special kinds of smoke and rocks
Sounds like you need to reinsert your tokin stone.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 So close, yet so far.
"Eepkay the agicmay okesmay in the artsmay ocksray. OK?"
I did wonder how to encode the small words, so didn't bother.
after decoding I still don't get it. smoke and rocks seems something about swampy with his special kinds of smoke and rocks
Sounds like you need to reinsert your tokin stone.
I don't remember. Where exactly did Thanos find that one?
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 So close, yet so far.
"Eepkay the agicmay okesmay in the artsmay ocksray. OK?"
I did wonder how to encode the small words, so didn't bother.
after decoding I still don't get it. smoke and rocks seems something about swampy with his special kinds of smoke and rocks
To explain in far more detail than I normally bother with for a cheap joke...
Computers are made out of silicon, which is a major component of many rocks. Accusing them of being smart rocks is not wrong, as they are definitely ahead of the average rock in that department.If you apply enough current to a computing device, it stops working, and in a fashion that is quite noticeable. With smoke. The "magic smoke" joke is a long-standing one that alleges that computers only work as long as the smoke is kept inside the computer chip. That's not how it works, of course, but it might seem that way to someone who doesn't understand burning or have any idea how computers really work.
Put the two ideas together and add Pig Latin for no particular reason...
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 So close, yet so far.
"Eepkay the agicmay okesmay in the artsmay ocksray. OK?"
I did wonder how to encode the small words, so didn't bother.
after decoding I still don't get it. smoke and rocks seems something about swampy with his special kinds of smoke and rocks
Sounds like you need to reinsert your tokin stone.
I don't remember. Where exactly did Thanos find that one?
Inside the mirror or someshit.
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"Don't drink and drive" is a well known traffic rule. Mathematicians may change that to "Don't drink and derive".
And France adds a special extra version: "Don't drink and hunt". When you are hunting while drunk and get caught, you'll have to pay a fine of €1,500.
Article in the FAZ in German:
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
"Don't drink and drive" is a well known traffic rule.
Mungo Jerry lied to me, all these years.
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
"Don't drink and drive" is a well known traffic rule. Mathematicians may change that to "Don't drink and derive".
And France adds a special extra version: "Don't drink and hunt". When you are hunting while drunk and get caught, you'll have to pay a fine of €1,500.
Article in the FAZ in German:
I thought the whole point of hunting and fishing these days was as an opportunity to day drink without having someone (ie a woman) bug you about it.
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
When you are hunting while drunk and get caught, you'll have to pay a fine of €1,500.
Only?
Around here the real punishment is that your gun license will be revoked for violating the gun safety rules—because Czech law prohibits carrying under influence—and then you'll have nothing to go hunting with.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
Computers are made out of silicon, which is a major component of many rocks. Accusing them of being smart rocks is not wrong, as they are definitely ahead of the average rock in that department.
When I was still in the industry, the business types distinguished between two types of data permanence. "Hard copy" was anything printed out on paper (somewhat puckishly referred to as "dead trees"). The more durable sort of data was said to be "carved in stone", which works as a description for data stored in semiconductor (aka silicon, but the metaphor fails since such data is less stable than the sheafs of paper stored in file cabinets.)
In this case, paper in fact beats rock.
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I don’t remember if we have any Caves of Qud fans in the house here but if we do…
The dev ported it to Godot last week and sorta live blogged it on Twitter.
If nothing else it’s an interesting journey in porting across engines and how good habits can help you out.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
Twitter
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
live blogged it on Twitter.
Can’t imagine a worse medium for that. Maybe live blogging it on tinder…
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@Arantor It seems Unity might be backpedaling soon(tm):
Well, either that, or piss off everybody even more.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
@Arantor It seems Unity might be backpedaling soon(tm):
Well, either that, or piss off everybody even more.
They seem to be under the impression the community are “confused” by the changes. They’re… not. (There is some hyperbole doing the rounds but that’s not the real problem here)
Of course until they actually say something and have a new policy on the table, it’s a waiting game. But I think there’s a lot of bridges permanently burned because “if they thought they could do it, they will as soon as they think it won’t end so badly”
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Mostly I just want to sideload retroarch in a way that isn’t a complete pain in the hole.
Maybe you should just get a
bettermore open phoneGah! If I go back to android it will be a degoogled rom!
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@ixvedeusi said in In other news today...:
The amount of current flowing into any circuit at a given voltage is determined by the circuit in question, not the power supply.
And then you have things like the old power tool charger that I had. It came with a 21v/85mA wall wart that stopped working. So I tried using a universal adapter, set to 21v, and the thing quite happily burnt itself to a crisp
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@Arantor The "confused" part is just standard corpo filler. Some poor guy had to draft the whole "ehehehe, oopsie" message and ended up reaching for that particular phrase. Not to defend Unity, but I wouldn't read too much into that.
But I think there’s a lot of bridges permanently burned because “if they thought they could do it, they will as soon as they think it won’t end so badly”
I think the only way they can fix some parts of it would be to make a binding clause that they can't change the agreements under your feet, similar to Unreal Engine. You might be stuck with a certain version of Unity, but at least there wouldn't be any surprise bonus costs.
Even that won't get all the people back, though.
Well, curious to see where it goes. If they bash ahead with the install fees, it'll be .
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@cvi that's the thing, Unity used to have that clause. Used to be the case that you could stay on the version you were on and keep the TOS you agreed to at the time.
I mentioned a GitHub repo earlier - that was the proof of it, but that has been spirited into nothingness now, these new TOS are until we hear otherwise, the only going forward valid TOS, and you have to adhere to them unless you want to violate the licence... for whatever penalty that brings.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
you'll have nothing to go hunting with.
I'll bet if you're drunk enough something will come to mind...
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
I mentioned a GitHub repo earlier
And because git is a centralized paradigm it is permanently unavailable forevermore, right?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
I mentioned a GitHub repo earlier
And because git is a centralized paradigm it is permanently unavailable forevermore, right?
Proving that this repo I might happen to have right here is the same as that repo that has been recently deleted can be tricky. There are things that can increase the level of trust (such as signatures or finding independent archival copies) but none of them are full proof. But maybe they'd be proof enough for a civil court case...
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
@ixvedeusi said in In other news today...:
The amount of current flowing into any circuit at a given voltage is determined by the circuit in question, not the power supply.
And then you have things like the old power tool charger that I had. It came with a 21v/85mA wall wart that stopped working. So I tried using a universal adapter, set to 21v, and the thing quite happily burnt itself to a crisp
It probably relied on the wall wart not being able to supply more than 85 mA, and your universal adapter was probably able to supply more than that. I.e., the original wall wart supplied 21 V only when no current was being drawn but significantly less than that at maximum current. They cheaped-out on the design of the charger itself based on the assumption that the power supply was current-limited (whether by intentional design or just shitty design).
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
just shitty design
Yeah that's how one of my Li-Ion chargers works. Trickle charge all the way on accident!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
I mentioned a GitHub repo earlier
And because git is a centralized paradigm it is permanently unavailable forevermore, right?
Even if I had forked the repo (which I hadn't), I suspect that wouldn't necessarily hold up in a court of law as coming from the company.
Lawyers are funny about things like that.
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In other news today, Microsoft are competent (at screwing up)
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 So close, yet so far.
"Eepkay the agicmay okesmay in the artsmay ocksray. OK?"
I did wonder how to encode the small words, so didn't bother.
And today, the perfect image popped into my FB feed
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@dcon I disagree. Someone understanding the thing means it is at best heavy wizardry, not magic.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
I mentioned a GitHub repo earlier
And because git is a centralized paradigm it is permanently unavailable forevermore, right?
Even if I had forked the repo (which I hadn't), I suspect that wouldn't necessarily hold up in a court of law as coming from the company.
Lawyers are funny about things like that.
It might hold up for civil court if you get some witnesses to say that such a thing used to exist. Criminal prosecution would be a totally different matter, but those aren't what ordinary devs ought to be caring about for now.
There are really two key things at this point.
- Establish that the charges aren't being retrospectively imposed on published games, especially if that includes charges in excess of (guessing) 10% of total revenue of an older game.
- Stop using the engine when it's publisher has demonstrated that they can't be trusted. Annoying, but the trust has gone.
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@dkf the current speculation - and until Unity actually issues a statement, it is speculation - that it will be a 4% revenue deal but with users reporting in the number of installs.
Which is still somehow worse than the position they could have just announced (do it like Unreal)
But yes, for many, the trust is not merely burned but incinerated. So many people trying new engines now.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@dkf the current speculation - and until Unity actually issues a statement, it is speculation - that it will be a 4% revenue deal but with users reporting in the number of installs.
Which is still somehow worse than the position they could have just announced (do it like Unreal)
But yes, for many, the trust is not merely burned but incinerated. So many people trying new engines now.
Might also run into birds in the EU, with privacy protections.
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@Carnage well, the whole “we can’t accurately measure it” question did come up and it was originally in a “trust us to measure it accurately” black box which went down really well.
The question why it matters at all how many installs you have is still looming, especially as if I ship a game via Steam, I don’t believe I have any way to know how many people have it installed - and if I ship via GOG or Humble Store, I definitely don’t have a reliable install metric. And that’s before we talk about Game Pass et al…
But I also point to the CEO’s statement in the last few years that game devs were “fucking idiots” for undermonetising their user base, so who knows where this insanity will end.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
When you are hunting while drunk and get caught, you'll have to pay a fine of €1,500.
Only?
Around here the real punishment is that your gun license will be revoked for violating the gun safety rules—because Czech law prohibits carrying under influence—and then you'll have nothing to go hunting with.
black powder guns (muskets) do not require license.
Or even better, you can still go hunting with just a botle of Jägermeister (or it's local equivalent, the Old Hunter Rye).
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other news today...:
go hunting with just a botle of Jägermeister
but only when it's ice, ice cold
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@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other news today...:
go hunting with just a botle of Jägermeister
but only when it's ice, ice cold
Got that covered: Hunting season officially starts in October, but I believe November or even December is more common. Hunt starts in the very, very early morning.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@dcon I disagree. Someone understanding the thing means it is at best heavy wizardry, not magic.
Perhaps the participants in this quarrel are using two different spellings of the word, one with and one without a final K.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other news today...:
@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other news today...:
go hunting with just a botle of Jägermeister
but only when it's ice, ice cold
Got that covered: Hunting season officially starts in October, but I believe November or even December is more common. Hunt starts in the very, very early morning.
Depends what you're hunting. We talking duck or rabbit?
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Haaning’s 2007 work, An Average Danish Annual Income, displayed krone notes fixed to canvas in a frame, and a second 2011 work about Austrian incomes used euro bills.
The museum provided about 532,000 krone (£61,500) from its reserves to recreate artworks as well as an artist’s fee of about 40,000 krone. But when staff unpacked the newly delivered works, they found two empty frames with the title Take the Money and Run.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
empty frames with the title Take the Money and Run.
Truth in advertising!