WTF Bites


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @izzion Sounds like it starts a periodic task that takes a few minutes to update everyone (that needs it).

    No, the tick delay for logged in players is intentional - when you login, it calculates your ticks for times you were logged out and then "resets" your tick time to the precise second you logged in at, and then you stay at that offset for the remainder of your session (e.g. if you logged in at XX:04:47, your tick time would always be 4m47s after the start of each tick for that session). But the Outlook behavior was funny enough it reminded me of that and I figured there's no joke like an in-joke that will go over everyone's head and then have to be overexplained well past mortality.



  • @izzion said in WTF Bites:

    in-joke that will go over everyone's head and then have to be overexplained well past mortality.

    This is the way.



  • WTF of this week: So, I ordered a new bike from VanMoof in the Netherlands. Yesterday I got the notification that my bike was on its way.

    I first got a notification from UPS that a shipping label was created (alright so far). Then I got a notification that they wouldn't be able to reroute the package to my usual delivery point (which is a shop nearby because UPS always appears when I'm at school). Big surprise there. Then I got another notification that the status is "On Hold" because they noticed that redirection did not work and that they'd contact me for instructions.

    No contact has been made.

    Mean while, the status has now changed into "On its way" with a delivery until this evening.

    Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.



  • @Rhywden The delivery distortion field has spread to western Europe, but the effect seems like it may vary based on altitude above or below sea level.



  • @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Given this will be an expiring video I don't think it deserves its own thread and I don't see anything more specific so it goes here:

    https://youtu.be/W26cH0OPXno?t=1110

    TL;DW: Small airplane made an emergency landing in a field pasture. The rancher now demands a compensation for the emotional damage to his cows that were grazing nearby (but nowhere near so close they'd get hurt).

    Here's a follow up (that will probably stay on-line unlike the above that was on the normal week-long expiry schedule);

    https://youtu.be/qq0-Em7Ww5U

    @Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb HardwareGeek made Aviation anti-patterns :arrows:

    It's a political anti-pattern only incidentally related to aviation, so keeping it in :wtf:-bites.



  • @Rhywden And in a completely unsurprising turn of events, it's still telling me that it'll arrive today. So I guess UPS is doing midnight deliveries now.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden And in a completely unsurprising turn of events, it's still telling me that it'll arrive today. So I guess UPS is doing midnight deliveries now.

    Or maybe they mean “today” in the traditional sense of “next Monday”



  • @izzion said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden And in a completely unsurprising turn of events, it's still telling me that it'll arrive today. So I guess UPS is doing midnight deliveries now.

    Or maybe they mean “today” in the traditional sense of “next Monday”

    I mean, coding if(EndOfDay == true && PackageStillInTransit == true) { moveEstimatedDeliveryDate(Date.nextPossibleDate()) } was too hard I guess.



  • @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Here's a follow up (that will probably stay on-line

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  • Considered Harmful

    @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @izzion said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden said in WTF Bites:

    @Rhywden And in a completely unsurprising turn of events, it's still telling me that it'll arrive today. So I guess UPS is doing midnight deliveries now.

    Or maybe they mean “today” in the traditional sense of “next Monday”

    I mean, coding if(EndOfDay == true && PackageStillInTransit == true) { moveEstimatedDeliveryDate(Date.nextPossibleDate()) } was too hard I guess.

    It certainly would be. How would a static of the Date class know what the rules for this delivery are?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    How would a static of the Date class know what the rules for this delivery are?

    Thread-local variables and stack introspection.


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    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    How would a static of the Date class know what the rules for this delivery are?

    Thread-local variables and stack introspection.



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    Hey, we're not kink shaming here ... you can use Bing if you like it that way


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    @ChaosTheEternal as I understand it, the gay frogs might be disturbing to some?


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    @Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

    @ChaosTheEternal as I understand it, the gay frogs might be disturbing to some?


    WTF floof:
    So I downloaded that image in its full size, and :wtf:#1 it's an .avif file. Whatever that shit is. I open it in preview, select and crop. Preview tells me it can't edit the image in this retarded format and asks me if I want to duplicate it as a TIFF file (:wtf:#2) or revert changes (:wtf:#3). Of course, I want a PNG, so I'm going to manually convert it to that first and click the "revert changes" button. Well, at least it did not lie, it undid the cropping. Fuckers.


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    Was copying a few lines of code from GitLab and ... it cut off the last line?

    Can't fucking believe copy+paste is broken. This goddamn webshit. I swear the whole damn software ecosystem has been on a steady decline for the last 15+ years.



  • Google Maps has a couple of odd WTFs...
    When I have it calculating a route from my current place to target place and the device has wifi connection, everything runs fast and smooth. Even later in the car where wifi is not available, route recalculations based on new traffic data works fine with "mobile data". Was some 50 MB for a 4 hours / 320 km route.

    But when wifi is not available at the time of calculation, it will find the place, and then hang at "downloading best route". Never showing the route to it.

    What to do then? Switch "mobile data" off, too. Then it uses a locally stored map, and calculates with that. When I later switch on mobile data, it seems to sometimes trying to connect to Google Maps and download newer data, and try to re-calculate, but somehow it does not work fine. Data consumption was then down to about 1 MB for the way back home...

    :wtf: is happening here?
    It's obviously not a problem of germany's low quality mobile internet.



  • @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    Google Maps has a couple of odd WTFs...
    When I have it calculating a route from my current place to target place and the device has wifi connection, everything runs fast and smooth. Even later in the car where wifi is not available, route recalculations based on new traffic data works fine with "mobile data". Was some 50 MB for a 4 hours / 320 km route.

    But when wifi is not available at the time of calculation, it will find the place, and then hang at "downloading best route". Never showing the route to it.

    What to do then? Switch "mobile data" off, too. Then it uses a locally stored map, and calculates with that. When I later switch on mobile data, it seems to sometimes trying to connect to Google Maps and download newer data, and try to re-calculate, but somehow it does not work fine. Data consumption was then down to about 1 MB for the way back home...

    :wtf: is happening here?
    It's obviously not a problem of germany's low quality mobile internet.

    I gave up on google maps years ago.



  • @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    Google Maps has a couple of odd WTF

    Google Maps is composed only of WTFs on top of more WTFs.

    @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    Then it uses a locally stored map, and calculates with that.

    Hm, I thought it never had the ability to calculate offline at all. But it might give up on updating the tiles and just finally get around to showing you the route, which itself is small so it managed to download it before you turned off the wifi.

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    I gave up on google maps years ago.

    I sometimes use them for searching for shops and things because it's where everybody makes sure to be listed, but I never even tried it for navigation. It has always been in the bottom tier of navigation apps.


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    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    It has always been in the bottom tier of navigation apps.

    Even Apple Maps? 😏



  • @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    Google Maps has a couple of odd WTFs...
    When I have it calculating a route from my current place to target place and the device has wifi connection, everything runs fast and smooth. Even later in the car where wifi is not available, route recalculations based on new traffic data works fine with "mobile data". Was some 50 MB for a 4 hours / 320 km route.

    But when wifi is not available at the time of calculation, it will find the place, and then hang at "downloading best route". Never showing the route to it.

    What to do then? Switch "mobile data" off, too. Then it uses a locally stored map, and calculates with that. When I later switch on mobile data, it seems to sometimes trying to connect to Google Maps and download newer data, and try to re-calculate, but somehow it does not work fine. Data consumption was then down to about 1 MB for the way back home...

    :wtf: is happening here?
    It's obviously not a problem of germany's low quality mobile internet.

    I gave up on google maps years ago.

    Hm. Years before, I used OpenStreetMap based maps on my Garmin Oregon 600 (which I had bought for my bike - but I know how to create those maps, and it is possible to have different maps of the same area on the device, and select the map to use).
    But OSM comes with a lot of ideology - what's a reasonable speed for calculating the time to destination? Legal maximum speed? Ha ha ha, on rural roads that means you'll take shortcuts via meadows and fields (or get stuck between the trees of a forest).
    No, I do not use that anymore.

    When Google Maps works, it works great.
    When it works ...



  • German company Biontech - developer and manufacturer of the covid vaccine sold by Pfizer - offers a couple of jobs on Stepstone.de
    Oddly their office is on the central cemetry of Mainz according to the map on Stepstone:
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    A Freudian slip?



  • @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    Google Maps has a couple of odd WTFs...
    When I have it calculating a route from my current place to target place and the device has wifi connection, everything runs fast and smooth. Even later in the car where wifi is not available, route recalculations based on new traffic data works fine with "mobile data". Was some 50 MB for a 4 hours / 320 km route.

    But when wifi is not available at the time of calculation, it will find the place, and then hang at "downloading best route". Never showing the route to it.

    What to do then? Switch "mobile data" off, too. Then it uses a locally stored map, and calculates with that. When I later switch on mobile data, it seems to sometimes trying to connect to Google Maps and download newer data, and try to re-calculate, but somehow it does not work fine. Data consumption was then down to about 1 MB for the way back home...

    :wtf: is happening here?
    It's obviously not a problem of germany's low quality mobile internet.

    I gave up on google maps years ago.

    Hm. Years before, I used OpenStreetMap based maps on my Garmin Oregon 600 (which I had bought for my bike - but I know how to create those maps, and it is possible to have different maps of the same area on the device, and select the map to use).
    But OSM comes with a lot of ideology - what's a reasonable speed for calculating the time to destination? Legal maximum speed? Ha ha ha, on rural roads that means you'll take shortcuts via meadows and fields (or get stuck between the trees of a forest).
    No, I do not use that anymore.

    When Google Maps works, it works great.
    When it works ...

    I use TomTom. It plans routes better than Google Maps, is faster, and is offline.



  • @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    is offline

    Which means: no current traffic data. And on traffic jam infested motorways ...



  • @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    is offline

    Which means: no current traffic data. And on traffic jam infested motorways ...

    It gets that, but that's a feature of every GPS since forever. :mlp_shrug:
    So I suppose I should have said does all routing and mapping offline, and you opt in if you want to share driving habits with TomTom.


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    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    So I suppose I should have said does all routing and mapping offline, and you opt in if you want to share driving habits with TomTom.

    I don't think that's a thing you should say - it makes it sound like there's no upside whatsoever to giving it network access.



  • @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    I swear the whole damn software ecosystem has been on a steady decline for the last 15+ years.

    And that's what we said 15+ years ago, too.


  • Considered Harmful

    @HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    I swear the whole damn software ecosystem has been on a steady decline for the last 15+ years.

    And that's what we said 15+ years ago, too.

    Well yeah. Steady quality decline is what you get when an industry seeks to cost-optimize. Do not note parallels to :kneeling_warthog:.


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    @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    Do not note parallels to :kneeling_warthog:.

    But to break things that have been working fine since the dawn of computing, you have to go out of your way to implement a shitty JS version of it. The :kneeling_warthog: does not approve.


  • Considered Harmful

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    Do not note parallels to :kneeling_warthog:.

    But to break things that have been working fine since the dawn of computing, you have to go out of your way to implement a shitty JS version of it. The :kneeling_warthog: does not approve.

    Did I say to note parallels? No, no I didn't.


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    @Gribnit Dang it, you got me. Reading :barrier: posting.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    @BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    is offline

    Which means: no current traffic data. And on traffic jam infested motorways ...

    It gets that, but that's a feature of every GPS since forever. :mlp_shrug:

    There's a system for describing major jams on major routes, but that's basically useless for urban navigation (or anything else off main routes).



  • @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    major jams on major routes, but that's basically useless for urban navigation

    For urban navigation, you can safely assume every route is a major jam.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    major jams on major routes, but that's basically useless for urban navigation

    For urban navigation, you can safely assume every route is a major jam.

    You just need to move to a less populated metro area 🍹


  • Considered Harmful

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    Maybe I'm :trwtf: but it sure looks like it's joining the same table to itself using its own primary key as a foreign key. I don't know :wtf: that accomplishes.


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    @error said in WTF Bites:

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    Maybe I'm :trwtf: but it sure looks like it's joining the same table to itself using its own primary key as a foreign key. I don't know :wtf: that accomplishes.

    Tree data. Families can have other families as parents? But definitely doing it wrongly.


  • Considered Harmful

    @Tsaukpaetra I'd expect it to join on parentId or something like that for a tree. No, it's joining the same column to the same column.


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    @error said in WTF Bites:

    @Tsaukpaetra I'd expect it to join on parentId or something like that for a tree. No, it's joining the same column to the same column.

    @Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

    But definitely doing it wrongly

    Indeed


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    Well at least there's unit tests. Let's see what they do...

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    Good. I can have confidence that after my changes these objects' hashCodes still equal themselves.



  • @error or rather do not change between the 2 calls to hashcode()...



  • @error said in WTF Bites:

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    Maybe I'm :trwtf: but it sure looks like it's joining the same table to itself using its own primary key as a foreign key. I don't know :wtf: that accomplishes.

    I'd rather expect some kind of code rot.
    Like different tables or different databases in the original version, which were later combined. But the duhveloper did not understand what this query was supposed to do at that era.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    major jams on major routes, but that's basically useless for urban navigation

    For urban navigation, you can safely assume every route is a major jam.

    Some junctions are always snarled up. They're under-sized for the traffic they carry and expensive to fix (for whatever reason). If you know an area, you know where they will be.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @error said in WTF Bites:

    No, it's joining the same column to the same column.

    If that wasn't the primary key, that would be unusual and a code smell. As it is, it is just very easy for the DB to optimise and an even bigger stink...



  • @error said in WTF Bites:

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    Maybe I'm :trwtf: but it sure looks like it's joining the same table to itself using its own primary key as a foreign key. I don't know :wtf: that accomplishes.

    Could be one of those case sensitive abominations?


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    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    @error said in WTF Bites:

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    Maybe I'm :trwtf: but it sure looks like it's joining the same table to itself using its own primary key as a foreign key. I don't know :wtf: that accomplishes.

    Could be one of those case sensitive abominations?

    😱 :eek:



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    @error said in WTF Bites:

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    Maybe I'm :trwtf: but it sure looks like it's joining the same table to itself using its own primary key as a foreign key. I don't know :wtf: that accomplishes.

    Could be one of those case sensitive abominations?

    😱 :eek:

    I didn't poke the ugly myself, but I worked with a guy that was responsible for some inhouse abomination where the database was case sensitive. I don't remember much about it but it seems like a great way to mess with people.
    And now that I look around, see that SQL Server can be configured to be case sensitive. And it's granular so ju can configure specific tables to be case sensitive, or even columns. Loki be damned, that sounds like some great trolling, just sprinkle some caSE senSItivE columns in the database and make everyone that has to touch things cry.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    see that SQL Server can be configured to be case sensitive. And it's granular so ju can configure specific tables to be case sensitive, or even columns. Loki be damned, that sounds like some great trolling

    Sounds like a way for a DBA to get stabbed.


  • 🚽 Regular

    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    or even columns

    :wat-girl: 🤪



  • @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    I didn't poke the ugly myself, but I worked with a guy that was responsible for some inhouse abomination where the database was case sensitive. I don't remember much about it but it seems like a great way to mess with people.

    I thought that the case insensitive databases are case sensitive for identifiers in quotes ("" or []), but that unquoted identifiers get either searched insensitively, or normalized. That is that "EMSG_V2" and "emsg_v2" can be different things, but EMSG_V2 and emsg_v2 cannot.


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