The Official 2022 Death Pool
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@Mason_Wheeler said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@topspin Is he king now, before any sort of coronation takes place, or just the presumptive next king?
It probably matters less now that the monarch doesn't do anything. Wasn't there a Pratchett joke about the speed of the transfer of power (The King is dead, long live the King!), even across distances, being used in an attempt at fast communications. I believe they ultimately found it impractical due to lack of sufficient number of monarchs to kill.
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@Mason_Wheeler I've been wondering, and dreading, for several years, every time someone has made a new version of this thread, if this would be the year she'd appear here.
I recall reading several years ago that the general sentiment in the UK was hoping that she'd outlive her son and the throne would pass directly to William, because Charles is widely seen as unfit and possibly the straw that would break the camel's back of abolishing the monarchy. I don't know if that's really the sentiment in the UK, or just some author projecting his/her own opinions onto the populace. Certainly, previous kings named Charles have not fared particularly well.
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@HardwareGeek if the Brits decided to get rid of monarchy, would that affect the rest of the Commonwealth (technically, I’m sure it would in practice)?
As far as I see, they’re independent of Britain (by now) and just share a monarch in personal union.
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@boomzilla Diana will be waiting for her.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
I fear we shall not see the like of her again. I'll raise a glass to her memory at the earliest opportunity.
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@HardwareGeek
First step will be the Scotch leaving the ship.
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Officially Charles is now the king but I don’t think he is “officially Charles III” until the coronation.
Officially the transfer is immediate - hence “the (monarch) is dead! Long live the (monarch)!” statement to announce the death and succession.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@topspin Is he king now, before any sort of coronation takes place, or just the presumptive next king?
Yes, it's straight away. The coronation won't be for a while.
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@Arantor said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
Officially Charles is now the king but I don’t think he is “officially Charles III” until the coronation.
King Charles III: Windsor Drift.
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@Arantor said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
Officially Charles is now the king but I don’t think he is “officially Charles III” until the coronation.
I read somewhere today that he has to pick his kingly name. I had previously assumed he would be the next Charles, but now it sounds like it's akin to the papacy, where the new pope picks his papal name, which generally has nothing to do with his birth name.
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@Arantor https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/08/prince-charles-king-coronation-may-be-months-away
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@jinpa said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
I read somewhere today that he has to pick his kingly name.
This isn't strictly accurate - since succession is instaneous (yes, FTL), and monarchs have names, the name was decided at the moment of succession and will be revealed, vs selected, by the new monarch.
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@Gribnit thanks for the clarity in this troubling time
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@Luhmann said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@HardwareGeek
First step will be the Scotch leaving the ship.Who's whiskying them away?
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@jinpa said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
I read somewhere today that he has to pick his kingly name.
He already has: Charles. It was his first decision as king. (He could have picked any of his given names, Charles, Philip, Arthur, or George.)
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@Watson Come on. He didn't choose King Arthur? I was half-guessing he'd choose King George and then declare war on the US saying, "We want our colony back."
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@Watson From those names:
- There were two previous kings named Charles. Charles I was beheaded. His son, Charles II lived in exile for nine years before assuming the throne. Not an auspicious choice.
- There has never been a King Philip of England (or any of the other UK nations). He could have been the King Philip his father, Elizabeth's husband, couldn't be.
- How awesome would it have been to be King Arthur! However, I doubt that he could live up to his predecessor's reputation.
- Some of the previous Georges were ok; some not so great. His grandfather, George VI,
led the kingdomwas the figurehead through WWII, but also through the dissolution of the Empire into the Commonwealth. George III lost 13 of the American colonies to a bunch of provincial upstarts. I don't see Charles being more successful than his great-great-great-grandfather or his grandfather.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
Not an auspicious choice.
Yeah, I was expecting Charles (for familiarity), but George was a strong second guess for that reason ("It didn't go well for the other two...")
Edit: just thought of something else. If he had picked Arthur, people would have (a) suspected him of doing a bit, and/or (b) insisted on calling him Arthur the Second.
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@The_Quiet_One said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@Watson Come on. He didn't choose King Arthur?
When deciding what number they gave him, it seems they would have to decide on the historicity of the one you're referring to.
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@Watson said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@jinpa said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
I read somewhere today that he has to pick his kingly name.
He already has: Charles. It was his first decision as king. (He could have picked any of his given names, Charles, Philip, Arthur, or George.)
If anyone is wondering how impotent the King of England has become, he wasn't even allowed to choose his own name beyond those four.
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@jinpa I wonder, could he have legally changed his name some time in the past, in anticipation of choosing a preferred name when Mama died? I suppose that's probably something heirs to the throne simply don't do, but could he?
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I go to bed and a monarch is dead. Tremble before my power.
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@kazitor said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
I go to bed and a monarch is dead.
How can you sleep at night?
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@hungrier said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
Some YT commenter said:
Metamucil is a fiber supplement. Introduced in 1934 by G. D. Searle & Company, Metamucil was acquired by Procter & Gamble in 1985. The name is a combination of the Greek word for change and the class of fiber that it utilizes.
I needed that context.
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@topspin I remember some years ago on a Usenet group with a slightly more than half-British membership we were talking about if and when Charles took over, would he definitely be King Charles III or would he select one of his other given names to rule under. "King Arthur II" seems a little presumptious, even if one is royalty, and I don't see him honoring his father as 'King Philip" to be as likely as honoring his grandfather instead and becoming "King George VII",
"Thirds", however, have a history of being troublesome.
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@topspin said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
if the Brits decided to get rid of monarchy
A rather strongly theoretical concept, given that there are a lot of monarchists about and the last time it was tried ended really badly.
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@jinpa said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@The_Quiet_One said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@Watson Come on. He didn't choose King Arthur?
When deciding what number they gave him, it seems they would have to decide on the historicity of the one you're referring to.
None of which prevents people from calling him that, especially the tabloids.
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@da-Doctah said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
"Thirds", however, have a history of being troublesome.
probably because it's too close to turds
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@boomzilla said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
None of which prevents people from calling him that, especially the tabloids.
Facts are hardly ever a to tabloids (or, these days, any other journalists).
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@boomzilla Poor guy, would have been the obit headliner this week if not for Queen Elizabeth. As it is, he joins the ranks of "other people who died the same week as someone more famous", along with Groucho Marx (same week as Elvis), Mother Teresa (same week as Princess Diana), Farrah Fawcett (same day as Michael Jackson), and the trifecta of CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley (same day as JFK).
Found an article with a few pairs where it might be more difficult to decide who was the bigger deal: Orson Welles and Yul Brynner; Milton Berle, Dudley Moore and Billy Wilder; Federico Fellini and River Phoenix; Alfalfa Switzer and Cecil B DeMille; Orville Wright and Mahatma Gandhi; Shakespeare and Cervantes (okay, maybe that one's not so fuzzy, plus there's the question of whether they died the same day given that Spain and England were using different calendars at the time); Margaret Thatcher and Annette Funicello.
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@da-Doctah said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
Found an article with a few pairs where it might be more difficult to decide who was the bigger deal
We must have really different backgrounds, because other than in the Federico Fellini vs River Phoenix pair, one of the people is a perfect household name while the other one I'm not sure I've ever heard before. (in the trio, I didn't know who Milton Berle was)
False edit: took me a while to realize who Orville Wright was, so that's another one.
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@da-Doctah said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
As it is, he joins the ranks of "other people who died the same week as someone more famous", along with Groucho Marx (same week as Elvis), Mother Teresa (same week as Princess Diana), Farrah Fawcett (same day as Michael Jackson), and the trifecta of CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley (same day as JFK).
Not to forget Dennis Ritchie (the week after Steve Jobs).
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@da-Doctah said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@boomzilla Poor guy, would have been the obit headliner this week if not for Queen Elizabeth.
When it was first announced that Queen Elizabeth had died, my wife asked me what she died from.
I said "She died from being almost a hundred years old".
Filed Under: It's true, stop punching me.
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@Zerosquare Steve Jobs is dead?
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@Gribnit He died years ago in a freakish turtle neck accident.
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@Gribnit said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
@Zerosquare Steve Jobs is dead?
Cancer, battled it for some time. Don't you remember the jokes about "this year, Apple is going to reveal the thinnest CEO ever"?
Edit: Yeah, I know, it's a sick joke.
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@Kamil-Podlesak he might have stood more chance if he’d actually gone and gotten treatment sooner. He was doing this fruit diet plus alternative therapy thing.
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@Arantor said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
He was doing this fruit diet plus alternative therapy thing.
That opens it up for jokes, imo. Only real cancer patients get an exemption.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
George III lost 13 of the American colonies
He also lost his mind.
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@Arantor said in The Official 2022 Death Pool:
Officially the transfer is immediate - hence “the (monarch) is dead! Long live the (monarch)!” statement to announce the death and succession.
There was a legalese saying to express that in French, "le mort saisit le vif."
Interestingly, it's a notion that was formalised somewhat late in the Middles Ages in France, with some hesitation as to whether the new king was king before he was crowned (or, more exactly in French coronation rituals, "sacred"). This is obviously related to how the first few kings after Hughes Capet crowned their heir during their own lives, to try and limit succession wars, and at a time when royalty wasn't inherently hereditary (Hughes himself had been chosen by his peers).
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