Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@acrow And meanwhile the virus has managed to escape the immune response of the vaccination... Who (WHO?) could of thought that?
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@loopback0 big news now when people catch colds. I will grant you, it's out of season, but still.
Actually, it's for some people (like me), June is the cold/flu season.
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@Zerosquare Hurry up! Get your 10th booster against the original Wuhan variant NOW!
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
BA.2.75
Over two years of development and we are still on version 2? Pfff.
They should switch to chrome versioning scheme, this one is not scary at all.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
still on version 2
It's
BA.2.75
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Actually, whyBritish Airways
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What aboutWuhan Airways
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@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
still on version 2
It's
BA.2.75
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Actually, whyBritish Airways
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What aboutWuhan Airways
?Bullshit Ailment 2.75
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Over two years of development and we are still on version 2? Pfff.
I think version 5 came out recently.
Maybe 2.75 is the LTS release?
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@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
against the original Wuhan variant
People: get vaccinated
Corona:
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Panic bar is back! Preparation for autumn critical two weeks is in full swing.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Panic bar is back! Preparation for autumn critical two weeks is in full swing.
Oh well, I never really liked being sober anyway...
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Panic bar is back! Preparation for autumn critical two weeks is in full swing.
On the upside, this might thoroughly ruin some of management's carefully laid out plans, so I'm all in favour. (Even though I will be among the people picking up the pieces afterwards.)
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var x = Covid.CreateNewVariant(); x.Spread(Speed.ExtraFast);
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COVID-19 is JS based?!
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Hey look!
A cat infected a human with Covid:
Last August, a father and son who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 were transferred to a hospital isolation ward. Their ten-year-old cat was swabbed and also tested positive. While being swabbed, the cat sneezed in the face of a veterinary surgeon, who was wearing a mask and gloves but no eye protection.
Three days later, the vet developed a fever, sniffles and a cough. She later tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, but none of her close contacts developed COVID-19, suggesting that she had been infected by the cat. Genetic analysis confirmed that the vet was infected with the same variant as the cat and its owners, and the viral genomic sequences were identical (T. Sila et al. Emerg. Infect. Dis. 28, 1485–1488; 2022).
Researchers say that such cases of cat-to-human transmission are probably rare.
Such cases of cat-to-human transmission are rare. Because ... who swabs a cat and gets sneezed into his face while not wearing glasses? Surely many people do so!
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Over the past year, various studies supplied convincing data supporting vaccinations' efficiency not only be reducing mortality rate but also in lessening in illness severity, hospital admissions resulting with overall improved outcome and prognosis.13, 20, 21 These results demonstrate historic scientific medical achievement. Opposed to that magnitude success, a parallel dramatic phenomenon of the fake news is spread over societies and countries.
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In conclusion, in this longitudinal multicenter study, we found a selective temporary decline of sperm concentration and total motile count 3 months post-vaccination followed by recovery among SD. While on first look, these results may seem concerning, from a clinical perspective they confirm previous reports regarding vaccines' overall safety and reliability despite minor short-term side effects. Since misinformation about health-related subjects represents a public health threat,23 our findings should support vaccinations programs. Further studies concentrating on different vaccines and populations (ex. subfertile patients) are urgently required.Primary source is primary.
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@LaoC said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Over the past year, various studies supplied convincing data supporting vaccinations' efficiency not only be reducing mortality rate but also in lessening in illness severity, hospital admissions resulting with overall improved outcome and prognosis.13, 20, 21 These results demonstrate historic scientific medical achievement. Opposed to that magnitude success, a parallel dramatic phenomenon of the fake news is spread over societies and countries.
[...]
In conclusion, in this longitudinal multicenter study, we found a selective temporary decline of sperm concentration and total motile count 3 months post-vaccination followed by recovery among SD. While on first look, these results may seem concerning, from a clinical perspective they confirm previous reports regarding vaccines' overall safety and reliability despite minor short-term side effects. Since misinformation about health-related subjects represents a public health threat,23 our findings should support vaccinations programs. Further studies concentrating on different vaccines and populations (ex. subfertile patients) are urgently required.Primary source is primary.
Words are words, though, and numbers are numbers. The text in that conclusion says that sperm concentration and motile count heal by 90 days following vaccination.
The actual data contradicts that.
The T3 tests, which were taken about 145 days after vaccination (about 5 months), shows an average of a 16% decrease in sperm concentration and a 20% decrease in motility.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
COVID-19 is JS based?!
That would explain why it kills people.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The T3 tests, which were taken about 145 days after vaccination (about 5 months), shows an average of a 16% decrease in sperm concentration and a 20% decrease in motility.
The study has been performed on only 37 people, not all of whom even stuck around for the third sampling, if I'm reading table 1 correctly. Medical data is full of noise, since just about every measurable thing about a human is affected by many factors that the scientists performing an experiment on the person can't control. Here, let me compute a mean of a sample of 37 numbers from a standard normal distribution with a true mean of 0:
> mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] -0.4859884 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] -0.05791935 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] 0.08271239 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] 0.04107656 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] -0.02372143
Look at that -0.486! Surely with an average like this the expectation couldn't have been 0? That's, like, half of the true standard deviation right here!
When a statistical test says that the difference is not significant, it means: it could have increased, or it could have decreased, the data is so noisy we just can't tell. This is what is meant by positive numbers in the 95% confidence interval for everything about the sperm in the T3 group: the true mean could even have increased.
It would have been easier to discuss this study if the researchers published the whole dataset, but we don't have a culture of "share all of the data and code all the time" yet. The IRB could also have a problem with publishing raw sperm counts for privacy reasons.
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@aitap said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The IRB could also have a problem with publishing raw sperm counts for privacy reasons.
It definitely would have needed anonymising first. It possibly should have had that done even before it went for statistical analysis; for this sort of thing, you don't want personally-identifiable data at the analysis stage, as it doesn't help at all.
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@aitap said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The T3 tests, which were taken about 145 days after vaccination (about 5 months), shows an average of a 16% decrease in sperm concentration and a 20% decrease in motility.
The study has been performed on only 37 people, not all of whom even stuck around for the third sampling, if I'm reading table 1 correctly. Medical data is full of noise, since just about every measurable thing about a human is affected by many factors that the scientists performing an experiment on the person can't control. Here, let me compute a mean of a sample of 37 numbers from a standard normal distribution with a true mean of 0:
> mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] -0.4859884 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] -0.05791935 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] 0.08271239 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] 0.04107656 > mean(rnorm(37, mean = 0)) [1] -0.02372143
Look at that -0.486! Surely with an average like this the expectation couldn't have been 0? That's, like, half of the true standard deviation right here!
When a statistical test says that the difference is not significant, it means: it could have increased, or it could have decreased, the data is so noisy we just can't tell. This is what is meant by positive numbers in the 95% confidence interval for everything about the sperm in the T3 group: the true mean could even have increased.
The p-values tell the opposite story, but ok, fine. Maybe they should have had a bigger sample size than 37 dudes and as a result, the results are not statistically significant.
That is a very different claim than
[W]e found a selective temporary decline of sperm concentration and total motile count 3 months post-vaccination followed by recovery among SD. While on first look, these results may seem concerning, from a clinical perspective they confirm previous reports regarding vaccines' overall safety and reliability despite minor short-term side effects.
If you go by the CIs and not the p-values, the results don't prove non-recovery. Fine. They don't prove recovery either.
If you want me to reject the idea that the vaccine is dangerous, you need to pick your null hypothesis in such a way that you're showing statistically significant results that show the vaccine's safety.
Remember, everyone who wants to take the vaccine has already done so. The point of this study is to support legally coercing unwilling people into getting the vaccine.
Especially if you're trying to tell me that the reason that an average decrease of 20% is not statistically significant is that you could only find 37 guys who jerk off.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear what you'll want to do is take your local sewer effluent and use it to infect some pigs, then directly inject their blood plasma once they've recovered. That way, you know it's safe.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Especially if you're trying to tell me that the reason that an average decrease of 20% is not statistically significant is that you could only find 37 guys who jerk off.
All the rest of them are under strict doctor's orders to cut back after the excessive jerking that occurred during the 15 Days.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
COVID-19 is JS based?!
Of course.
- A new framework / variant comes into existence every couple of days and spreads quickly.
- The outcome of an infection cannot be predicted.
- Odd effects may happen even months after acute infection.
OTOH, you might say that JavaScript is Corona based...
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But there's no vaccine for JavaScript.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
But there's no vaccine for JavaScript.
NoScript?
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@cvi Anyway, you'll inevitably get exposed to it.
You cannot browse the web nowadays with JS switched off.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Kristian Andersen
The guy that also wrote all those fairy tales, yes?
"exact circumstances remain obscure,"
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@Applied-Mediocrity For me the bigger implication is the effect on food supply in Wuhan. That market existed for a reason. If they won't tolerate corona becoming endemic, then no animal can be brought within city limits. And that's a bigger area geographically than you might think.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wuhan shuts down district of 1 million people over 4 Covid cases
I just glossed over the headline and read it as "Covid 4" cases.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wuhan shuts down district of 1 million people over 4 Covid cases
I just glossed over the headline and read it as "Covid 4" cases.
Wake me up when we reach Covid XP
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wuhan shuts down district of 1 million people over 4 Covid cases
I just glossed over the headline and read it as "Covid 4" cases.
Wake me up when we reach Covid XP
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)Can't wait for Covid 10!
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@topspin Damn! I was just about to post that.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Kristian Andersen
The guy that also wrote all those fairy tales, yes?
"exact circumstances remain obscure,"
I notice that the studies in question all try to reason from indirect evidence, while it so happens that we actually know what was happening at the Wuhan market at the time, because it so happened that there was an observational study being conducted, related to a completely different disease.
It's old news, so I'd have to hunt down the report (chances are, it was posted in one of the COVID threads here, way back when), but the short of it was that there were no bats (or pangolins - the other supposed culprit) being sold in the market at the time.
In other words, we'd need a completely new transmitting animal to work with, because the usual suspects have a rock-solid alibi.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
In other words, we'd need a completely new transmitting animal to work with, because the usual suspects have a rock-solid alibi.
Take your pick.
From: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91470-2/tables/1 from https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91470-2 , "Animal sales from Wuhan wet markets immediately prior to the COVID-19 pandemic":
ETA:
Notice the Mink on the list, also famous from:
https://www.science.org/content/article/coronavirus-rips-through-dutch-mink-farms-triggering-culls-prevent-human-infections
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)
Windows Vista was always a fun one 'round here:
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@HardwareGeek said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin Damn! I was just about to post that.
You where at least 2 versions too slow!
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@acrow
Complex-toothed Flying Squirrel I choose you!
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@acrow That's the bunny! (Although, given their absence - together with bats and pangolins - I suppose we'll need to settle for Lepus sinensis).
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wuhan shuts down district of 1 million people over 4 Covid cases
I just glossed over the headline and read it as "Covid 4" cases.
Wake me up when we reach Covid XP
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)Can't wait for Covid 10!
Do you prefer Covid 10 Home or Covid 10 Enterprise, though?
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- There was an article about covid in Germany in local newspaper on Monday. It casually mentioned that the summer covid wave might be made worse by “reduced immunity from long period of wearing facemasks” (it sounded like it does come from a Robert Koch institute statement, but you'll have to ask your own to get up and try to look for such source).
- There was a commentary in the same newspaper today saying we should really stop panicking because there is all of 27 serious cases hospitalized currently while some 1500–2000 people die of flu every year in Czechia and nobody panics about that.
(The paper is in Czech and I have a dead tree version (and think the web version does not run the commentaries or only runs them paywalled)).
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
There was a commentary in the same newspaper today saying we should really stop panicking because there is all of 27 serious cases hospitalized currently while some 1500–2000 people die of flu every year in Czech and nobody panics about that.
Smaller population, I know, but for comparison with Germany:
We currently have 1600 people in ICU and 110 deaths per day. (Still much lower than the peak of ~1000/day in winter '20/'21)
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
1500–2000 people die of flu every year in Czech
Does switching to a different language help?
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@Zerosquare No 😉