The absolute state of faxing in 2020
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
So now it's not only a shitty version of Photoshop it's also a shitty version of Acrobat.
Well, you know, if you can't be good at one thing, be mediocre at everything!
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@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@remi said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Polygeekery This gets even worse when you consider why some regulations still require fax (at least in the cases I was exposed to), which is because they want a document with an actual signature on it
In the past I have created PNGs with transparent backgrounds that look suspiciously like a person's signature. I don't know why they wanted me to do such a thing because I never asked and told them not to tell me what it would be used for.
On an entirely unrelated note, I bet you could scan your signature, convert it to PNG, use an image manipulation program to crop it and clip out all the whitespace and leave a transparent background and then you could pass that off as a physical signature and bypass all those shenanigans. If only such a thing were legal to do..... If only......
One of the products my employer sells is a PDF signing product (basically competition for what Adobe does).
While we always make sure that all the cryptography stuff is in order and that the name of the person who's signing is locked into the document, there's now a feature request which states that people are tired of having to use the mouse to add an additional scribble (can't blame them - it's tough to repeat the same scribble twice with a mouse, let alone make something which looks like the signature you would put on official papers).
Their proposal?
"Oh, just use a cursive font to make an image with their name"
"You know that's just security theater and that anyone could make such image?" "Yes. I expect it done by Thursday"
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@JBert said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
there's now a feature request which states that people are tired of having to use the mouse to add an additional scribble (can't blame them - it's tough to repeat the same scribble twice with a mouse, let alone make something which looks like the signature you would put on official papers)
No kidding. The last time I had to "sign" something with a mouse I just refused to do it and stopped the process. That's how much I hate it.
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@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
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@Gąska said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@topspin thanks! Didn't know about that!
Likewise. Thanks @topspin. If I ever decide to subject myself to Firefox I will keep that in mind.
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are you guys farting on about? Signing with a mouse gesture and considering this shit legal binding? For a country that claims to be digitally advanced the retarded shit you put up to is mind boggling.
You can now crap on about how our digital signing system is tied to a strong communist government but in the end signing shit is either a trust thing or a legal authentication. The first type doesn't care about the scribble and the second type eventually always boils down to the government accepting you as who you say you are.
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@Luhmann said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
For a country that claims to be digitally advanced
coughsupermarketsstillacceptcheckscough
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@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Back when emails were for all intensive porpoises just fired off in to the ether unencrypted
Hate to tell you this, but that part still applies. A lot of e-mail services either don't encrypt the sending part at all, or use STARTTLS, which can be downgraded to non-encrypted by man-in-the-middle. And many of those same mail service providers use plain SMTP to forward the mail to the destination server.
And it gets better. Because everyone and their mother botched mail server configuration once upon a time, the server receiving the mail often can't enforce an "IP address of sending server must match From field address" policy. So spammers rejoice; impersonation is trivial.
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@acrow said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Because everyone and their mother botched mail server configuration once upon a time, the server receiving the mail often can't enforce an "IP address of sending server must match From field address" policy.
DKIM puts a stop to most of that, but there's a lot of places that haven't got it set up.
So spammers rejoice; impersonation is trivial.
Server custody chains are generally pretty telling, as they're impossible to impersonate. But they're also awkward to parse for computers…
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
No one actually validates signatures anyway. Just like with credit cards ... there is no one validating the signatures on receipts back at the home office against known signatures of yourself.
The system relies on the user complaining, and then ignoring the user for as long as possible.
A couple of years ago, my mother paid a bill (to some sort of HOA) by cheque. A few weeks later she got a reminder to pay her bill, but her cheque had been cashed, so she started to investigate. Turns out that the HOA had employed a crook (he had been fired since then... for good reasons!) who simply stole the cheque and cashed it. My mother asked her bank for a copy of the cashed cheque (which by law they have to keep for some time, exactly for these reasons, and on which the recipient must write the recipient account details). It was absolutely obvious from it that the cheque was written by my mother as "pay to: <HOA>" and the recipient account was "John Doe." And yet the bank cashed it without any qualms, and when challenged about it they denied it was their fault (the recipient's bank said the same thing, btw). So for them, anyone can cash any cheque that they lay their hands on, no matter what is written on it.
In the end my mother's bank decided on a "commercial gesture" (no, not this one
) and to reimburse her, but this was clearly done so that she would drop the matter without the bank admitting any kind of responsibility.
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@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Technology is retarded and if you have to display it then you have already given up the illusion of security. It's like websites that think they've disabled right clicks or otherwise prevented you from downloading pictures. My kid's school uses an app to communicate with parents and it does stuff like that to prevent people from downloading pictures. In under a minute I was able to teach my technophobic wife how to use developer tools to find the originating URL of the photo and on that URL there was zero protection.
With everything going remote, all our professional associations' workshops and conferences have become online. When they were physical, the rules had always been that when presenting some work, the paper (or abstract) is public (or at least downloadable etc. by every member), but the presentation itself can only be seen during the workshop/conference. This allows everyone to show confidential data (anonymised, but still confidential) during the oral presentations, which makes the presentations actually useful (rather than just being vague generic considerations we can show actual examples!). Since only a few people have time to follow everything, there are usually internal documents circulated afterwards in each company where people who attended point out interesting talks, competitors' news etc.
Now that everything is online, each association takes huge pains to stress out that we are not allowed to record the presentations and use various online presentation systems that try and enforce that (no right-click etc.). And internal feedback documents now include copious screenshots (sometimes the full desktop with taskbar etc., sometimes people take care to crop only the content) and sometimes even full recordings of the whole presentation.
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@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
On an entirely unrelated note, I bet you could scan your signature, convert it to PNG, use an image manipulation program to crop it and clip out all the whitespace and leave a transparent background and then you could pass that off as a physical signature and bypass all those shenanigans.
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@topspin said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
As an analogy consider "Word documents" vs "PDFs". Everybody can edit Word documents, but PDFs can't be edited so they are secure. Okay, nobody would believe that anymore now that everybody has a PDF app with which can annotate on their tablet, but that certainly was a common view 15 years ago.
You can edit pretty much any PDF you like in Adobe Illustrator. One page at a time and with a number of drawbacks that can make it painful to do, but it’ll let you save the edited page back into the original multi-page file if you want.
Of course, about the only people who know this are ones who have (had) a use for it, not your average office worker or lawmaker.
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@remi said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
No one actually validates signatures anyway. Just like with credit cards ... there is no one validating the signatures on receipts back at the home office against known signatures of yourself.
The system relies on the user complaining, and then ignoring the user for as long as possible.
A couple of years ago, my mother paid a bill (to some sort of HOA) by cheque. A few weeks later she got a reminder to pay her bill, but her cheque had been cashed, so she started to investigate. Turns out that the HOA had employed a crook (he had been fired since then... for good reasons!) who simply stole the cheque and cashed it. My mother asked her bank for a copy of the cashed cheque (which by law they have to keep for some time, exactly for these reasons, and on which the recipient must write the recipient account details). It was absolutely obvious from it that the cheque was written by my mother as "pay to: <HOA>" and the recipient account was "John Doe." And yet the bank cashed it without any qualms, and when challenged about it they denied it was their fault (the recipient's bank said the same thing, btw). So for them, anyone can cash any cheque that they lay their hands on, no matter what is written on it.
In the end my mother's bank decided on a "commercial gesture" (no, not this one
) and to reimburse her, but this was clearly done so that she would drop the matter without the bank admitting any kind of responsibility.Nice
there and I must ask the crucial question (with the risk that it might devolve into garage): is there a regulation or any other lame excuse that this is actually still a thing?I can understand that the government bureaucracy do not bother to update their stuff and peddle 1950s technology, but banks are supposed to be the pinnacle of free market capitalism. Why do they peddle 1750s technology? In the "most capitalist" country in the world, no less (I have, personally, never seen a cheque in my life; this is actually one of the reasons I plan to try getting a job in USA, one day).
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@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'd honestly like to know the reasoning behind regulations allowing faxing, but not emailing. They are essentially the same thing. You are sending those documents electronically from point A to point B. If it security or privacy is the reasoning, that's stupid as anyone on the receiving end of a fax machine has access to what came through. And in my experience fax machines are usually in a shared space like a copy room or something, not on a single person's desk because phone lines are expensive and the thing is shared by the whole office.
Beyond all of that, email should be sent via SSL the entire way so should in theory be more secure than faxing is. In comparison to breaking SSL to intercept messages, MITM on a POTS system is trivial. Tap in to the wire anywhere between point A and point B and you could intercept all faxes on that line.
That was going to be my point. I know nothing about fax technology, but I imagine there is no SSL or TLS to speak of.
The regulation is just outdated. Clearly back in 1995 or whenever it was passed it was in a time when Congress or whatever regulatory body was populated by old technophobes who heard about this newfangled "email" and got scared into prohibiting passing emails with sensitive info. And they can't be bothered to revisit it and let the office let go of the decades old tech.
We should feel fortunate it is fax machines and not telegraphs.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Nice
there and I must ask the crucial question (with the risk that it might devolve into garage): is there a regulation or any other lame excuse that this is actually still a thing?I have no idea. If you'd asked me before that story, I would have said that yes, there must be a law that banks are responsible for checking who cashes the cheque (and that they're entitled to do it). Now, I don't know...
I suspect that there is such a law, and that the bank very much knew it and knew they were in the wrong, and that compromised (without admitting guilt!) only to avoid being dragged to a court, because it would cost them more in the end. They could have reimbursed my mother immediately but then it would probably have meant they admitted being guilty and then my mother could have asked them to pay e.g. arrears that the HOA could have charged her (the HOA didn't, they were nice about the whole thing, but of course the bank doesn't know that).
Their thought process was probably something like:
: Oops, we fucked up. She can sue us for reimbursement + incurred costs (courts fee, arrears...) + maybe even compensation and she'll win without any doubt.
: OK, let's play dead first, maybe she'll forget about it.
: Damn, that doesn't work... Oh we're so sorry madam, as a goodwill gesture here is a free gift of the same amount that what we misplacedyou lost.
: "By accepting the aforementioned amount of money (hereafter referred to as "the GIFT"), the holder of the account on which the GIFT is credited (hereafter referred to as "the MORON") accepts to not pursue any legal proceedings in relation to, but not exclusively, the original cheque, its recipient, the bank, the bank manager, their cousins and third-degree nephews, nieces or other-gendered-individuals; by providing the GIFT the bank makes no admission of any sort regarding their legal responsibility to properly handle the money that the MORON deposited with them; all terms and conditions should be understood under the provision of whatever law we deem convenient no matter whether it's legal or not, and, uh..." OK, that's enough, she's asleep now.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I can understand that the government bureaucracy do not bother to update their stuff and peddle 1950s technology, but banks are supposed to be the pinnacle of free market capitalism. Why do they peddle 1750s technology? In the "most capitalist" country in the world, no less (I have, personally, never seen a cheque in my life; this is actually one of the reasons I plan to try getting a job in USA, one day).
I work in banking sector, it's a shrine of ancient technology. Introducing anything new is a royal pain - I know from firsthand experience.
Once we were building a frontend for a bank - I was seriously asked why we bother with some stupid shit called .Net, why not write it all in Cobol, like normal people.That said, US banking sector is a special case. It's a real herritage park. It wouldn't be surprising if some US banks still accepted beaver pelts as currency.
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@MrL said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Once we were building a frontend for a bank - I was seriously asked why we bother with some stupid shit called .Net, why not write it all in Cobol, like normal people.
I heard of a bank (in the early 1990s) claiming in court that they wrote everything in assembler because then any bugs would immediately crash the program instead of doing damage, with the obvious corollary (in their eyes): if it runs, it must be correct. By that point, I already knew that the difference between low-level and high-level languages is that low-level langs give whole extra layers of bugs that the high-level ones prevent while not actually getting rid of any high-level bugs, so the “if it runs, it must be correct” attitude has always rankled. Even now, with the most sophisticated of languages, “if it runs, it must be correct” only applies in the simplest of cases. There are many possible programs that will exactly calculate the wrong answers in some cases.
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@dkf said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
would immediately crash the program instead of doing damage
It's a funny thing with banks' paranoia about data corruption, privacy, etc. It's very pronounced on the outside, but inside... the things I've seen...
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@dkf computers are really dumb systems that will do exactly what you tell them to do, and quickly. This includes errors and those times when what you told it to do is not what you intended to tell it to do. So that attitude has also always rankled me. Consider the old joke about the programmer going to the grocery.
Wife sends her programmer husband grocery shopping
She tells him:
“I need butter, sugar and cooking oil. Also, get a loaf of bread and if they have eggs, get a dozen.”
The husband returns with the butter, sugar and cooking oil, as well as 12 loaves of bread.
The wife asks: “Why the hell did you get 12 loaves of bread?”
To which the husband replies: “They had eggs.”
Except billions of times per second.
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@MrL said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
work in banking sector, it's a shrine of ancient technology.
I too worked in the banking sector for 12 years. 4 years at a big bank here in the states and 8 at a software development company that developed software for credit unions. And yeah, it's treasure trove of WTFs. You have old laws and regulations that don't apply anymore, but are enforced tooth and nail. You have poor use of technology. Poor understanding and implementation of security related to said technology. The list goes on and on.
Even though most of their operations are automated they still tend to operate as if it's not in most cases. One of my favorites is holding all your weekend transactions at bay until Monday so they can attempt to get overdraft fees. Apparently computers don't work on the weekends so can't process transaction. Still not even sure how this is legal.
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@MrL said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@dkf said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
would immediately crash the program instead of doing damage
It's a funny thing with banks' paranoia about data corruption, privacy, etc. It's very pronounced on the outside, but inside... the things I've seen...
Yeah, they tend to be the worst at everything. But you are dealing with a business that still thinks it's the 1960s.
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
One of my favorites is holding all your weekend transactions at bay until Monday so they can attempt to get overdraft fees. Apparently computers don't work on the weekends so can't process transaction. Still not even sure how this is legal.
I think this has let up some though in recent years since they have been called out on it quite a bit. So I do believe they have to at least update your available balance now even though you have "pending" transactions, but they don't always show everything...so you still have to maintain all of your transactions yourself in .... guess what .... a check register.
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
But you are dealing with a business that still thinks it's the 1960s.
One time I had to do a very large (for me, at least...) international bank transfer (when selling my house and moving to a different country), I was amazed to see that for this unusual operation the bank manager had to log into some sort of command-line system and issue cryptic commands. I couldn't see exactly what he did, but that looked like random 3-characters commands indicative of a very old system whr it mtr to not use too mny chr (and no vowels, they are always more costly apparently!).
The other amazing thing was that they actually phoned their trading desk in the City to get a exchange rate that they told me was valid for something like 5 min, no more (turns out this meant I got a much, much better rate than the high-street one, which isn't surprising given the amount I was transferring). There is also a tiny element of hubris when he told me "we have to warn the City first because it's a large transaction"... yeah, my house sale is going to impact international money markets!!
(as if...)
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@mikehurley said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@mikehurley said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I want to see what you come up with if you take more.
An embolism.
I have a friend who has said that getting an arrhythmia is how you know you've had too much caffeine.
Amateur. That's only second gear.
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Even though most of their operations are automated they still tend to operate as if it's not in most cases. One of my favorites is holding all your weekend transactions at bay until Monday so they can attempt to get overdraft fees. Apparently computers don't work on the weekends so can't process transaction. Still not even sure how this is legal.
Most banks also process all debits before credits. So if you were close to the line on Friday and made a deposit after the cutoff you could go about your weekend thinking you have $X in your account when in reality you had almost nothing, make 10 transactions over said weekend, then on Monday night they would finally process all your debits first and only then would they make your deposit and ding you with a shitload of ODFs.
I believe I mentioned a couple of years ago that I switched banks. One of my employees did a transfer on their website or mobile app or whatever, fat fingered an extra zero on the end which since he didn't have several extra tens of thousands in his account caused him to overdraft. Well, he quickly realized the mistake, and transferred it back. But he did so on a Friday night/Saturday morning (yes, alcohol was involved). He went about his weekend not even thinking about it. Monday night he got hit with hundreds of dollars in ODFs that they initially refused to reverse, until I stepped in and threatened to move my accounts. They then reversed them all (which they should have done anyway, as they were all bullshit fees. Sure, charge him for one for being a drunken idiot and flubbing a zero, but not 30 of them).
I moved my banking anyway, because fuck that bank.
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@Polygeekery said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Most banks also process all debits before credits.
Yeah, that too. They would also re-order debits largest to smallest in order to maximize ODFs as well...pretty sure they got caught on that as well.
This is all off topic though..
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@MrL said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@dkf said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
would immediately crash the program instead of doing damage
It's a funny thing with banks' paranoia about data corruption, privacy, etc. It's very pronounced on the outside, but inside... the things I've seen...
They'll do anything to delay paying out money.
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Still not even sure how this is legal.
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@Deadfast said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
TBF, my written signature is pretty much a scribble as well.
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@MrL said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
It wouldn't be surprising if some US banks still accepted beaver pelts as currency.
As someone once explained it to me, they would have to — as long as you wrote the details on it that need to be on a cheque.
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@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Deadfast said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
TBF, my written signature is pretty much a scribble as well.
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@Gąska said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Deadfast said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
TBF, my written signature is pretty much a scribble as well.
Can I install that font?
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'd honestly like to know the reasoning behind regulations allowing faxing, but not emailing. They are essentially the same thing.
It isn't actually about faxing, per se, It's about having a physical paper copy.
Even though faxing and e-mail are essentially the same thing, there is one crucial difference. Faxing results in the person on the receiving end having a physical paper copy of the document. E-mail doesn't.
Physical paper documents are something that have become deeply ingrained in our society, and in some ways it makes perfect sense. If I have a physical paper copy of a document, I can read it any time I want without need of a computer or Internet or even electricity.
Unfortunately, physical paper documents have become so deeply ingrained in our society that many people can't get past it and just can't wrap their brain around the idea that if you really need a physical paper copy you can just print the e-mail.
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@El_Heffe said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Faxing results in the person on the receiving end having a physical paper copy of the document
Not necessarily. For many years now, fax machines have been built into those massive MFD photocopier/scanner/printer bastards that a lot of offices have.
While it can print it straight out, it doesn't necessarily do so.
Plus e-fax services as @Polygeekery mentioned.
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@Gąska said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Deadfast said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
TBF, my written signature is pretty much a scribble as well.
Hey, how did you get your doctor's shopping list?
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@Gąska said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Deadfast said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
TBF, my written signature is pretty much a scribble as well.
That looks like it takes 50 times longer. Mine fewer up/down change and by this point, I scribble a single straight up/down and couple hills.
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@Watson Wibble indeed.
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Status: Not sure if people are
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@Gąska said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Status: Not sure if people are
ing or ing me.If you are referring to me, I ignored the obvious joke that it was Trump's signature and responded with non-joking sincere comment.
So, closer to
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Then I considered that if the e-faxing services are
they would have agreements between each other to somehow recognize when a fax is being sent between each other, bypass the POTS 🐄 💩 and just send directly between each other and bypass all the abstraction.It used to be possible to send an email and have it automatically forwarded to a fax number; or have it delivered directly as an email if the recipient had registered for that.
E.g. to send a fax to +1 415 968 2510, you reverse the digits and mangle it to this form: remote-printer@0.1.5.2.8.6.9.5.1.4.1.tpc.int. Then you send an email to that address.
There were volunteers who would register a domain corresponding to all the numbers in their local area (e.g. ....8.6.9.5.1.4.1.tpc.int), and run email-to-fax gateways.
To skip the fax altogether, an end-user could register the domain corresponding to their phone number(s), and get any faxes sent through this system delivered directly as emails, no fax machine involved.
This is specified in RFC 1528. But Wikipedia says the service shut down a few years ago.
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@Gąska said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Deadfast said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@Karla said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'm left handed, so I sign IRL with that hand. I mouse with my right hand so when I sign digitally I sign right handed.
I'm sure I couldn't make them match no matter how hard I tried.I can assure you that your handedness plays very little role in the disparity.
TBF, my written signature is pretty much a scribble as well.
Which black metal band is that?
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@Carnage said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
Which black metal band is that?
MAGA Mägïc Mäcÿ
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@El_Heffe said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
I'd honestly like to know the reasoning behind regulations allowing faxing, but not emailing. They are essentially the same thing.
It isn't actually about faxing, per se, It's about having a physical paper copy.
Even though faxing and e-mail are essentially the same thing, there is one crucial difference. Faxing results in the person on the receiving end having a physical paper copy of the document. E-mail doesn't.
Physical paper documents are something that have become deeply ingrained in our society, and in some ways it makes perfect sense. If I have a physical paper copy of a document, I can read it any time I want without need of a computer or Internet or even electricity.
Unfortunately, physical paper documents have become so deeply ingrained in our society that many people can't get past it and just can't wrap their brain around the idea that if you really need a physical paper copy you can just print the e-mail.
Yeah, you can just print the email and it's essentially the same thing at that point. At my last job one of the older ladies would print out every email she received. And when she got one from a client that she needed one of us devs to look at she would print it out, write on it and set it on our desks....you know, instead of just forwarding the email.
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@CodeJunkie said in The absolute state of faxing in 2020:
@El_Heffe said in [The when she got one from a client that she needed one of us devs to look at she would print it out, write on it and set it on our desks....you know, instead of just forwarding the email.
The writing on bit is interesting. I do a lot of cv proof reading and when asked to do it I ask them to send it to me in Word because that is the best tool I've come across for commenting on it. The couple times they've sent on pdfs I've used one note to load it. Handwrite my comments in the margin and sent back an image. I actually enjoyed that experience more even if they were annoyed with the image.
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Fax machines are absolutely necessary office equipment. Like shredders.
How else could we do practical jokes like
https://dilbert.com/1994-08-15
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@BernieTheBernie I've never seen a need for a shredder at home. But then I moved to USA and there's never a week I wouldn't shred some pointless crap mailed to me.
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