Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations
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@PleegWat said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I think it is worth having a discussion whether areas like the garage (someone called them 'echo chambers') are a good idea. On the one hand, I think they have value in that they allow people to express parts of their personality which they can't show otherwise. On the other hand, it unavoidably leaks, if only because it colours interactions between the same people elsewhere.
I'm not sure if you remember how it was just before the garage category was created, but the offensive comments where showing up everywhere. That's why the admins at the time created it. Of course, IIRC, a lot of that seemed to be because of the actions of a handful of people, many of whom are no longer around.
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Since that seems a better thread to give my opinion than the NodeBB updates one, here's mine (so you can ignore it and keep on doing whatever you want). I first wrote a wall of text that I just deleted, even I wouldn't have read it... So I'll try to keep it short (and have clearly failed, but it's still shorter than my first attempt!).
Basically, I have two somewhat conflicting requests from mods/admins (I don't really make a difference between the two, as a user).
First, a good mod is an unseen mod.
is the best approach. This obviously excludes what I'd call "technical" moderation, such as banning spammers and Chinese bots, but I don't think that part raises any objection.So anyone who wants to be mod/admin should commit (at least to themselves) to do as little as possible. This, in my mind, excludes quite a few people who've repeatedly shown that they can be quick to anger, and reply out-of-category and let discussions overflow from one thread to another. Fortunately all the front-runners in the nominations are not in this group (IMO), so I don't have any issue here, and I'm not going to nominate anyone because I don't really have preferences other than that.
But it still remains an important point: to me mods should only act when a broad majority of people would agree that not acting would be bad -- not that acting is good, but that not acting is bad! I suspect some people will disagree on that, but that's my opinion anyway.
The second point is that Caesar's wife must be above suspicion. I agree with what's been said upthread that there have been cases where it might have seemed like the political opinions of a mod might have coloured their speed of action. What's bad here is not whether their opinions actually mattered or not, but that several people could ask themselves that question!
So I second the idea that mods/admins should broadly represent all the scope of opinions -- not making tiny boxes and ensuring all of them get the same number of people, but nonetheless making a special effort to ensure that mods basically don't all agree together (when they contribute as regular users). This also means that if e.g. a mod were to leave, the other should try not to bring in anyone who they like -- which is the natural and easiest way to do things! -- but instead take a step back and look at the community as a whole, and aren't afraid to reject someone because they're too similar to themselves. Ideally there should be some sort of election process that would naturally guarantee this, but I definitely don't want us going into elections and formalities and mandates and campaigns and all that. That obviously assumes there are enough candidates (which seems to be the case right now)...
To sum up: until the recent events, I didn't have much to reproach the mods, they did as little as possible and that was good, but one thing that I would like to see improved is to diversify them to avoid the danger of a suspicion of bias in their actions.
One last thing: the garage is obviously a contentious area of the forums, in particular in how it sometimes leaks, and how it colours interactions outside of it. I know that I sometimes have to check the category before sending a reply. So, I suggest making it somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background, which IMO does a good job of always reminding us (me, at least) that I'm in a "special" category where I should behave slightly differently. Making the garage visually different would help reminding people (again, me, at least) that things said there should stay there.
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@blek said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
The discussion where it was unraveling starts here: https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/19758/discussion-of-nodebb-updates/3326
I think you grabbed the wrong post.
In any case, the first post you need to read is here: https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/19454/nodebb-updates/308?_=1592489551648
For anyone who still wants to know, follow the replies to the related discussion thread and enjoy from there. At first, there are some unrelated comments mixed in, but it's easy to pick out the relevent stuff.
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@sloosecannon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
We have a thread for everything*!
And if we don't have one yet, we will soon!
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@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
First, a good mod is an unseen mod.
In the CS days, that's how it was.
Under Discourse, that's also how it was. Until Jeff started his thing, and brought the concept of moderators to the fore.
Once that died down, and was largely forgotten (apart from the shibboleth memes it created,) who was mod and who wasn't didn't matter for a while (hence the lack of announcements when it happened that someone mentioned earlier - to do so would mark that person out when all they were supposed to be was member first, and mod if ever necessary - it didn't matter, not then.)
Things are different at the moment...
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@abarker said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I'm not sure if you remember how it was just before the garage category was created, but the offensive comments where showing up everywhere. That's why the admins at the time created it. Of course, IIRC, a lot of that seemed to be because of the actions of a handful of people, many of whom are no longer around.
I don't know, I disagree. Maybe this is a "feels vs. reals" thing. However, I've been around since the CS days, and before the Garage was created, obviously, I recall offensive comments but I don't recall them being wildly over the line. Everyone was cognizant that everyone could see their posts, even those who might be offended by them.
I think when the Garage was created it kind of created a "free-for-all" attitude. ("You're offended? Turn it off then.") Which is... fine, for what it is, but when interpersonal disputes from that forum spill over into the rest of the forum I think it's much worse than before the creation of the Garage, simply because the level of acceptable
at the "source" is so different.
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@boomzilla said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@error one of the good ideas for discourse was that a flag created a PM between the flagger and the moderators so you could discuss whatever it was in there.
And when was able to log back in last night pretty much all of them were claiming to be unread. It's possible I missed something that someone actually sent to me because I just marked them all as read.
Hearing that other people were seeing similar behavior I assume it was due to the forum being upgraded, not the ban.
I noticed that all 50ish of mine had the line "{USER} has left the chat." All were the same user, so either it was a very specific bug, or there was a change to that user's account.
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@heterodox said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
when interpersonal disputes from that forum spill over into the rest of the forum I think it's much worse than before the creation of the Garage, simply because the level of acceptable at the "source" is so different.
That, I think, is when the moderators are needed. First couple times, the comment is Jeffed back to the proper category and the user is warned. Repeat offenders may get a (progressively longer) temp ban.
Also, would you like to be a moderator?
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@PJH said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
Once that died down, and was largely forgotten (apart from the shibboleth memes it created,) who was mod and who wasn't didn't matter for a while
And that's a thing that, I think, makes TDWTF what it is (I wouldn't necessarily say that it's something I like, but it's definitely a defining component). As can be witnessed by the pushback when Jeff tried to change that. Well there were other reasons, but still, that's IMO the biggest one (there weren't that much complaints against e.g. loosing Signature Guy and some of the other antics that might have seen important before).
Things are different at the moment...
Well something that didn't come through in my post (it was long enough as it is... but it was in my first draft) is what @Groaner said. Are thing fundamentally different, or is it just a temporary crisis/flashpoint? My own opinion is that we should not over-react to this. So taking the opportunity to tweak a little bit things (clarify the roles of the admins/mods, maybe try to expand a bit the team to balance it out, maybe add some technical measures e.g. specific Garage background) is good, but we should not do much more than that.
(incidentally and in the light of that, the last few posts from @error make me somewhat reluctant to let him be mod/admin, as I worry that he may have too many "good" ideas -- for the Greater Good, of course, but... no offense, @error, I don't doubt your goodwill but you know what they say about the road to hell...)
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Also, I concur with the nominations of @abarker and @boomzilla.
If WTDWTF has historically "promoted from within", then I think @sloosecannon should go for moderator first. But he'd be #1 on my list.
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@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
(incidentally and in the light of that, the last few posts from @error make me somewhat reluctant to let him be mod/admin, as I worry that he may have too many "good" ideas -- for the Greater Good, of course, but... no offense, @error, I don't doubt your goodwill but you know what they say about the road to hell...)
Would you care to elaborate on your concerns?
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@JBert said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
and implement a garbage collector.
Pretty sure that's what we're trying to do here! (NO! Don't look at me!)
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@heterodox said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@abarker said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I'm not sure if you remember how it was just before the garage category was created, but the offensive comments where showing up everywhere. That's why the admins at the time created it. Of course, IIRC, a lot of that seemed to be because of the actions of a handful of people, many of whom are no longer around.
I don't know, I disagree. Maybe this is a "feels vs. reals" thing. However, I've been around since the CS days, and before the Garage was created, obviously, I recall offensive comments but I don't recall them being wildly over the line. Everyone was cognizant that everyone could see their posts, even those who might be offended by them.
Maybe it's a perception thing. I started as a moderator during the
days, and stayed on until shortly after the switch to NodeBB, so I got a front row seat to a lot of the problems.I think when the Garage was created it kind of created a "free-for-all" attitude. ("You're offended? Turn it off then.") Which is... fine, for what it is, but when interpersonal disputes from that forum spill over into the rest of the forum I think it's much worse than before the creation of the Garage, simply because the level of acceptable
at the "source" is so different.You may have a point there.
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Importantly, I believe in listening to feedback from the community and adjusting accordingly.
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@error Usually, if the admins/admins are doing their job right, there isn't a lot of feedback to worry about.
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@abarker said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@error Usually, if the admins/admins are doing their job right, there isn't a lot of feedback to worry about.
Fair. There's been a lot of feedback after recent events, and I think that how that feedback was (not) received initially was what caused the situation to escalate rapidly.
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@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
So, I suggest making [Garage] somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background
This is a good idea. If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so), so at no point have I necessarily clicked on a category at all before being able to post in a thread.
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I also back @boomzilla @abarker and @sloosecannon for admin/mod roles.
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@bobjanova said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so),
For pages like https://what.thedailywtf.com/unread, try
li[data-cid="49"] { /* garage */ background-color: red; }
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I want to mention that there's also some survivorship bias in this conversation. What I mean by that, is that a lot of people affected by these decisions have already bailed on the site. I'd like to see some of them come back.
The people who are saying we don't need no steenkin' moderators now - are the people left after the people who thought we did jumped ship.
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As far as the mods versus admins discussion, I made this point in the other thread.
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I have resigned as administrator
I don't have a problem with you continuing to be an admin, babysitting the database...
HARD, HARD disagree with this.
@ben_lubar, I hope you don't leave the community over this. I don't want anyone banned except obvious spammers and I'd appreciate hearing your point of view on things.
That said, you went rogue and broke Alex's trust. You also conspired against forum users and attacked them off site. I was ready to request a full account deletion because I was worried that the next step was that you were going to dox me.
I don't trust you with my non-public information. I hope you can understand why.
I would feel this way about giving access to non-public information to anyone picked as a moderator or administrator that I didn't trust to not dox me. I recommend everyone else consider it when posting on moderated forums.
I don't have this problem with anyone who has been nominated up so far, but if I had this problem with an administrator, I would leave.
On this forum, there's non-public information in the Lounge, in PMs, and in the database. I'm not super concerned with moderation in the other categories. We should be circumspect in who gets this access. Being trusted by the forum should be an important criteria independent of how quick someone is to Jeff something that needs Jeffing.
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@error said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
(incidentally and in the light of that, the last few posts from @error make me somewhat reluctant to let him be mod/admin, as I worry that he may have too many "good" ideas -- for the Greater Good, of course, but... no offense, @error, I don't doubt your goodwill but you know what they say about the road to hell...)
Would you care to elaborate on your concerns?
Well, basically what I said about the road to hell. I'm worried that, by wanting to do good and to improve things, you might actually do things that will hurt the community. Not because you're stupid, or have bad intentions, but just because you will be tinkering with a complex system.
To make a computer analogy, the forum is a complicated program that exhibits many of the
that we talk about. So you set out, very bravely (and I'm absolutely saying that without sarcasm), to refactor and clean out the code, but we all know how easy it is to introduce subtle bugs and performance issues while doing so. And there's no unit test for social relationships...It's a very abstract concern, mind you, but otoh you haven't had time to very clearly set out what you would change. But it goes back to the key question of, is the system fundamentally broken or not? My personal opinion is that it is not, we've just uncovered a few bugs but not a major flaw, so I'm very wary of someone who advises a major refactor rather than a bugfix.
But obviously other may disagree on the scope of the problem, and even if I'm right about the scope, your approach may very well work -- I know what I currently have, not what you could create. So I won't oppose your nomination, but I will urge you to be very, very careful in what you change.
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Good to hear from you, Alex. I would like to nominate @Mason_Wheeler. He's probably the most consistently civilized person here (you're civilized as well, but you're not a regular on your forums ) , which would be a nice balance. In addition, he's a Windows guy. Politically, I would describe him as a centrist.
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@topspin said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@boomzilla said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
the fruit sorting category
Interviews. It's a Lounge thread. At least the last time I looked. I think I muted it...
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@remi You raise valid points.
My strategy for this, and often my development strategy, is to make continual small improvements and adjust course as I see the effects they have. I'm almost certain to get it wrong on my first (second, third, fourth...) try, but each mistake gives clues as to what the right approach might be.
"Err and err and err again, but less and less and less."
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I have pretty strong convictions, and will argue any point (usually from any side, just cuz, lo be the person who tries to tell me that the sky is blue). So I guess that attitude is why I have never understood the animosity that forms when people are discussing topics (even personal heated ones). At the end of the day, you getting worked up won't change their mind (for any it will actually solidify it), so why spend that energy on doing it?
I truly believe that all speech is valid and should never be censored. So for that reason I am largely against most moderation. That being said, I do understand why people want certain areas (i.e. garage vs. non-garage) to have rules of decorum.
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@Dragoon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I truly believe that all speech is valid and should never be censored.
Death threats?
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@Dragoon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I truly believe that all speech is valid and should never be censored. So for that reason I am largely against most moderation.
Moderation here isn't about censoring, it's just about making sure it's in the appropriate place.
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@loopback0 said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@Dragoon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I truly believe that all speech is valid and should never be censored. So for that reason I am largely against most moderation.
Moderation here isn't about censoring, it's just about making sure it's in the appropriate place.
At least, that's the way it's always been done around here.
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@Dragoon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
Censored? No.
Acted upon? Yes.
I don't have a problem with what @Polygeekery posted about Ben.
But as mad as I am, I wouldn't want Poly to actually do it.
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@loopback0 said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@Dragoon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I truly believe that all speech is valid and should never be censored. So for that reason I am largely against most moderation.
Moderation here isn't about censoring, it's just about making sure it's in the appropriate place.
Yes, and that is what I don't want to see changed.
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I just had a thought. Should the overall number of people actively moderating be odd? That would prevent stalemates on internal moderation decisions. Or should the number be even to encourage the possibility of stalemates?
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@loopback0 said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
Moderation here isn't about censoring, it's just about making sure it's in the appropriate place.
I agree, and that's what I mean about focusing on policy and structure rather than enforcement.
People get different things out of this community. Some people want to argue about stuff. Some people very much do not. Some people are curious about other viewpoints. Some people only want to hear people who agree with them. Some people are afraid to speak openly.
I want all of these people to be able to find an appropriate place here. You can choose the type of experience you have by the categories you choose to participate in. Moderators can concern themselves with making sure the categories each adhere to their own internal rules.
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@loopback0 said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@Dragoon said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I truly believe that all speech is valid and should never be censored. So for that reason I am largely against most moderation.
Moderation here isn't about censoring, it's just about making sure it's in the appropriate place.
I would caveat that I have occasionally censored some things. Usually private info or something that's really inappropriate and it's not worth moving it somewhere. Often after someone has been asked / prodded to shape up.
Usually denoted by something like
[redacted - bz]Adding spoiler tags probably doesn't really count as censoring but it's another thing I've done more than a few times. But most people are pretty good about that sort of thing.
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@abarker said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
Should the overall number of people actively moderating be odd?
I think the people moderating here are odd already, yes.
To answer the actual question, also yes.
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@bobjanova said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
So, I suggest making [Garage] somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background
This is a good idea. If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so), so at no point have I necessarily clicked on a category at all before being able to post in a thread.
I think this is the reverse of a good idea.
The Garage has the most loosest moderation policy. We should change the background color of the Salon so people (
) don't accidentally post Garage stuff in the Salon version of the thread.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@bobjanova said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
So, I suggest making [Garage] somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background
This is a good idea. If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so), so at no point have I necessarily clicked on a category at all before being able to post in a thread.
I think this is the reverse of a good idea.
The Garage has the most loosest moderation policy. We should change the background color of the Salon so people (
) don't accidentally post Garage stuff in the Salon version of the thread.I vote kittens!
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I think this is the reverse of a good idea.
The Garage has the most loosest moderation policy.I don't know, having:
as the background for the garage seems somewhat fitting.
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@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
One last thing: the garage is obviously a contentious area of the forums, in particular in how it sometimes leaks, and how it colours interactions outside of it. I know that I sometimes have to check the category before sending a reply. So, I suggest making it somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background, which IMO does a good job of always reminding us (me, at least) that I'm in a "special" category where I should behave slightly differently. Making the garage visually different would help reminding people (again, me, at least) that things said there should stay there.
Coincidentally enough, just before the ban storm happened, I was considering making custom CSS (for myself, then probably posting it
) to add a background/some indicator for some of the categories, because the topic header with the icon isn't always visible
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@The_Quiet_One said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@bobjanova said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
So, I suggest making [Garage] somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background
This is a good idea. If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so), so at no point have I necessarily clicked on a category at all before being able to post in a thread.
I think this is the reverse of a good idea.
The Garage has the most loosest moderation policy. We should change the background color of the Salon so people (
) don't accidentally post Garage stuff in the Salon version of the thread.I vote kittens!
I vote snowflakes.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@bobjanova said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
So, I suggest making [Garage] somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background
This is a good idea. If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so), so at no point have I necessarily clicked on a category at all before being able to post in a thread.
I think this is the reverse of a good idea.
The Garage has the most loosest moderation policy. We should change the background color of the Salon so people (
) don't accidentally post Garage stuff in the Salon version of the thread.
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@Dragoon Downvoted for "Not a dumpster."
Would also accept an actual bus that's on fire. Or a bus depot or literal garage, I guess.
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@hungrier said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
One last thing: the garage is obviously a contentious area of the forums, in particular in how it sometimes leaks, and how it colours interactions outside of it. I know that I sometimes have to check the category before sending a reply. So, I suggest making it somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background, which IMO does a good job of always reminding us (me, at least) that I'm in a "special" category where I should behave slightly differently. Making the garage visually different would help reminding people (again, me, at least) that things said there should stay there.
Coincidentally enough, just before the ban storm happened, I was considering making custom CSS (for myself, then probably posting it
) to add a background/some indicator for some of the categories, because the topic header with the icon isn't always visibleProbably good to point out, in case people don't already know, that you can add your own custom CSS. Click your avatar in the upper right, go to "Settings" and look for "Custom CSS."
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@abarker said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
I just had a thought. Should the overall number of people actively moderating be odd? That would prevent stalemates on internal moderation decisions. Or should the number be even to encourage the possibility of stalemates?
We're approaching "should the autonomous car hurt the driver to save a pedestrian" level of debate. You worry too much about a situation that pops up about once in a decade. The mod team size should be large enough to handle the workload, and that's the only requirement.
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@jinpa said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
Good to hear from you, Alex. I would like to nominate @Mason_Wheeler. He's probably the most consistently civilized person here (you're civilized as well, but you're not a regular on your forums ) , which would be a nice balance. In addition, he's a Windows guy. Politically, I would describe him as a centrist.
Oh, fuck no. Just no. He is precisely none of those things.
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My view on admining and moderation is that it should happen in, um, moderation. As mentioned, this forum and the community is built on having little moderation, mostly removing spam, jeffing discussions that gets too off-topic and/or garagey and very rarely removing the occasional comment that crosses a line, but with no other action that just the removal and the reason why. The previous moderation duties I had we had a three strikes and out policy, so it would take some effort to get permabanned there too. The only thing to do with policy I'd say is to write down the current policy so we have it it writing to reference to. Permaban should take
-levels of repeated breaking of policy to attain.My view is that anyone is allowed any opinion and have the ability to voice their opinions. I may violently disagree with some opinions (and I know that I do disagree with some members here) but I will defend their right to voice their opinions likewise. But at the same time I will also defend the right for anyone to counter the opinions and argue points. Echo chambers of people thinking alike are bad. Arguing is good, as long as people can attack each others ideas and views instead of eachother. Personal attacks are just pointless and destructive and does nothing I feel. At least I have only received death threats over one ban I was part of making the decision on. (Also, the most pathetic death threat ever, so looking back at it it's something I can laugh at even if I dealt with it like any serious death threat.) Our bar for civilized discourse is very far off in the "uncivilized" direction here and even getting me to issue a formal warning would take a lot from me. And also handing over anything that involves something I'm personally involved in to someone else to avoid conflicts of interest.
I am actually quite good at stepping into roles. So even if I privately am a socially awkward loner, when I am at work I have no problem going into a room full of people and doing a presentation or leading a discussion. And when it comes to having authority over people (because I have that in two of my four jobs) it's also something I limit to using as little as possible of.
Also, to lighten up the mood somewhat, here's NodeBB doing a fail again (which disappeared on refresh):
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@bobjanova said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
@remi said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
So, I suggest making [Garage] somewhat more obvious. Something like the Lounge background
This is a good idea. If different rules apply to different threads then you should immediately know which one you're in. Particularly as this forum allows me to see all threads across all categories on a single page (and it is quite convenient to do so), so at no point have I necessarily clicked on a category at all before being able to post in a thread.
I think this is the reverse of a good idea.
The Garage has the most loosest moderation policy. We should change the background color of the Salon so people (
) don't accidentally post Garage stuff in the Salon version of the thread.We should get rid of Salon entirely as it's a failed experiment. Or seriously rethink how it works. But I don't count on the latter being successful, with people saying things like "I don't believe you're actually offended" to justify harassment and all.
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@Polygeekery said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
Politics has never played in to any moderation decision that I have ever seen.
Weren't you just banned by somebody that posted a blog bragging about punching nazis and deplatforming hate?
Edit: Sorry, I'm catching up on this thread and it occurs to me I might want to get caught up.
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@Polygeekery said in Administration/Moderation Changes & New Admin Team Nominations:
He is precisely none of those things.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to slight you. I don't know how you slipped my mind. You (along with the "late" @blakeyrat) are well-known for your almost excessive civility.
