Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@Luhmann Frankly, in the absence of some kind of oral condoms, I don't know how someone could do that with a total stranger at all, even before COVID came to the scene. There's all kinds of herpes-aids-syphillis that can be contracted via oral.
Then again, some people frequenting brothels like to secretly remove the condom, too. Funny enough, I heard this from a TV documentary about the large AIDS-positive fraction of prostitutes in Estonia.
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Gud jerb, Onebox, for Bobbitting part of the headline:
Researchers: Satellite images hint coronavirus started in China earlier than first reported
Here's the Hahvuhd study referenced by the article (getting Slashdotted some):
Web searches for
diarrheaincrease substantially in August(!!!!!), searches forcoughtrend upward shortly thereafter, a big jump in both occurs in December.TL;DR: This motherfucking virus has been around a very long time, and the Chinese did everything they could to hide it. The politicians and corporates who bleated "we're all in this together"... well... would prison be much, much too kind for them?
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Doesn't that describe the common cold, though? If the entirety of your symptoms is just a sniffle and a little bit of a cough, it's nothing really.
+1. I’ve been coughing, on and off, for months now, and I’ve felt under the weather a couple of times as well during that time. Though of course “Is it corona?” crossed my mind, at no point did I feel definitely ill and (aside from the coughing) it went away within a day every time. Since I don’t generally subscribe to the “better safe than sorry” school of going to the doctor’s, I've concluded that it was probably nothing really.
That said, I am kind of interested whether I had it or not. However, what I’ve seen and heard of the way this is tested decidedly does not make me want to run out and get a test done myself.
Antibody test is a blood test.
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
oral condoms
I'm pretty sure this is actually a thing. I'm not going to google it though, and certainly not at work.
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Small update from Sweden, the new cases per week in Stockholm is going down, but in other parts of the country it's on the rise. Mostly in places where it's been around but not very high number of cases. Number of deaths is in decline still, even though there has been a really sharp increase in new cases per week for the whole country, but deaths will probably start rising in 3-4 weeks due to the current increase.
So, I guess Stockholm is about as bad as it gets with just mild social distancing and no lockdowns, no closed pubs, restaurants or anything except large events with thousands of participants like arena sports, live gigs and similar. Considering that Stockholm has peaked, and that most people that would die from it in Stockholm has already died from it.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
the new cases per week in Stockholm is going down
Are you sure they're not just getting used to the virus? Maybe even starting to sympathize with it?
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@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
This motherfucking virus has been around a very long time, and the Chinese did everything they could to hide it.
How long does it usually take to put the jigsaw pieces together and spot the emergence of a new virus? The time-span involved doesn't suggest to me a cover-up. It's easy with hindsight to complain about failings, probably much harder in reality to spot a new virus.
Hospitals would have seen an up-tick in elderly and infirm patients in a heavily polluted city presenting with respiratory problems at a time of year when flu would also be beginning to kick in. Most of the searches for coughs and diarrhoea would be from people who never sought medical attention (or, in China, went to a traditional medicine quack who probably wouldn't log or pass on samples for testing), so most of that could easily fly under the radar.
Would you also argue that Saudi Arabia covered-up MERS? The first case of that is thought to have been June 2012, but it wasn't identified as a novel virus and flagged to the world until mid-September.
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@japonicus said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
This motherfucking virus has been around a very long time, and the Chinese did everything they could to hide it.
How long does it usually take to put the jigsaw pieces together and spot the emergence of a new virus? The time-span involved doesn't suggest to me a cover-up. It's easy with hindsight to complain about failings, probably much harder in reality to spot a new virus.
Hospitals would have seen an up-tick in elderly and infirm patients in a heavily polluted city presenting with respiratory problems at a time of year when flu would also be beginning to kick in. Most of the searches for coughs and diarrhoea would be from people who never sought medical attention (or, in China, went to a traditional medicine quack who probably wouldn't log or pass on samples for testing), so most of that could easily fly under the radar.
Would you also argue that Saudi Arabia covered-up MERS? The first case of that is thought to have been June 2012, but it wasn't identified as a novel virus and flagged to the world until mid-September.
Did the Saudis arrest doctors who were talking about it, though (I have no idea)? I agree that it might take medical surveillance a while to catch on. But it really does seem like China was affirmatively covering it up once they did notice.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
But it really does seem like China was affirmatively covering it up once they did notice.
It's pretty certain that at least the local authorities in China were a bunch of CYA asshats, who didn't like that the disease was making their numbers look bad and thought that the best approach was to stop the reporting of the problem. It must be tremendously irritating to the central government that they can't get reliable figures for, well, anything really out of their own people.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It must be tremendously irritating to the central government that they can't get reliable figures for, well, anything really out of their own people.
I honestly wonder if they even realize that.
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@boomzilla People who shoot the messenger usually don't.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
But it really does seem like China was affirmatively covering it up once they did notice.
Likely, but how does that have anything to do with:
@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
"we're all in this together"
or even:
The politicians and corporates ... would prison be much, much too kind for them?
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@topspin I have no idea. You brought it up so I'm not sure why you're asking me.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Is that even remotely feasible?
Not really. Trawling for random unknown stuff is very expensive (analytical testing is far cheaper when you're comparing to something known) and you'll see an awful lot of things that actually aren't ever going to amount to a hill of beans because biological systems are really messy and always have been, and lots of stuff naturally dies out without ever going anywhere. Expensive tests that only really pick up noise are basically just a great way to waste money while learning virtually nothing.
Isn't that what an influenza sentinel does exactly? I understood they are sequencing whatever comes up there. Or am I missing an important point here?
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
(Rationale: droplets sink fast and only briefly infect people in the vicinity, aerosol stays airborne much longer)
You've got to balance that against the enormously greater potential for a droplet to infect if it actually makes contact. I don't know why that sort of factor balancing act seems to break so many people's brains, but it clearly does…
Yeah, it's just not done with the usual "avocado is good for you, meat is bad for you" logic. Not that this logic was ever correctly describing reality, but usually nobody cared as magazines got their pages filled and it wouldn't do much harm if people acted on the simplified version.
From time to time it's important to get the details right, though. Working hypotheses here is that droplets are the driving factor in the exponential phase and/or without social distancing (i.e. if you have a reasonable probability of an infected person talking/singing/shouting to you within droplet range) while aerosols/super-spreading become the driving factor when prevalence in the population is low and/or social distancing is widely practiced already.
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@remi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
However, what I’ve seen and heard of the way this is tested decidedly does not make me want to run out and get a test done myself.
What, you don't fancy someone sticking something into one of your orifices until it hurts and it comes out covered in some yucky natural secretion?
Yesterday in local news they mentioned they are starting with some new test that can do with a sample of saliva, so it is much easier to collect the samples, and the test itself should be cheaper too. It didn't have enough details about the principle.
That has been known for a while. The test itself is no different, same old PCR. You can just use saliva as input and get nearly the same accuracy in the results.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Luhmann said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Let's start with the fun stuff ...
“Sex workers and punters must wear masks at all times”
The Group of Experts responsible for Belgium’s Exit Strategy from the lockdown has reached agreement with representatives of sex workers with a view to guaranteeing safe working conditions. Sex workers and their customers must always use a mouth mas
I guess oral is right out, then?
Didn't you see the pictures of face masks with holes cut in for smoking cigarettes? I bet the system can be adapted. ;-)
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
My greater point is that the popular mental model of COVID-19 is "killer disease", not "a mild case of the sniffles" (besides, wasn't it dry cough?) We don't tend to shut down entire countries over a mild case of the sniffles.
The question therefore arises: does COVID-19 mostly manifest as "minor case of the sniffles" or "killer disease"? If the former, how can we minimize the death-toll of the bad cases?That's exactly the problem (or at least it was a couple of weeks ago): The reality is both: 98% "mild case of sniffles" 0,5% "killer disease". The numbers seems to be more or less the same everywhere with differences mostly accounted for by differences in how many of the 98% are tested/diagnosed.
Which means that not modifying your behavior while on a mild case of sniffles (and a couple of days before) may easily make you a mass murderer. That's the tricky part - but if there wasn't a tricky part about it it wouldn't have gotten around to becoming a pandemic..
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@Sumy said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Isn't that what an influenza sentinel does exactly? I understood they are sequencing whatever comes up there. Or am I missing an important point here?
In that case, they're still trying to only sequence influenza virus variants, and typically just genes for parts of the coating of the virus. Full sequencing is more expensive (but much cheaper than it used to be a few years ago) and there really isn't all that much you can do with most of that data.
Analytical chemists usually try to avoid going on totally general fishing expeditions. It's not whether or not they'll find things, but whether or not they'll be able to identify what they've found and whether what they've found is interesting and relevant. Almost everything that they find is of no interest at all. I was told of a case a number of years ago where a team reported proudly that they'd found a particular signal in all cancers and asked whether this might be of diagnostic or treatment use? Unfortunately for them, it was pointed out that they'd only found about the third most common protein in the whole human body and that it's diagnostic usability (let alone for treatment!) was a flat zero.
The hard part is not running a sample through a gene sequencer or mass spectrometer. The hard part is distinguishing the small amount of useful data in the massive pile of information that comes out of the analysis system. Or, in some cases, preparing the sample such that the analysis system only reports relevant data. (I used to work with people who did this stuff. About half the staff and budget of the entire centre went on getting good analyses.)
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So we've all cross-contaminated
Not necessarily. My niece fell sick, and was tested positive. She and all her family (father, mother, brother) were sentenced to home quarantine. Despite living together with a symptomatic patient for a month, none of the three showed any symptoms any time (they were never tested again, the local authorities fucking terribly failed to do their job - even many symptomatic cases in their neighborhood were not tested when a single symptom was missing).
Many people do not spread the disease at all. A tiny minority spreads it to many other people. Good research is needed to tell non-spreaders from super-spreaders apart (but it is not done, at least I do not know any study about that).
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Full sequencing is more expensive (but much cheaper than it used to be a few years ago)
This (and the whole discussion about identifying stuff) reminds me of how commonplace those things have become, and how much I am amazed, no, in awe, at what modern science can do. Reading a scientific magazine sometimes feels like reading a sci-fi book...
Slightly (but not even that much!) exaggerated:
Biologists: yeah, we've sequenced this genome and then identified a single gene of interest, so we've edited just a couple of bases in those mice and now if we shine some light on them we can track the movement of individual protein molecules while the mice go around their normal lives.
Chemists: btw, you might want to have a look at how we've designed those new molecules by manipulating individual atoms and building some sort of scaffolding with them so that the reaction happens just how we want it, molecule by molecule.
Physicists: oh you're going to love our new microscope, you can look at how individual electrons are moving around inside a normal-size sample, without destructing it or otherwise interfering with it. Also, we're looking at those random things (particles, cosmological events) that happen once in a lifetime and have effects billions of time smaller than anything else, we've already captured a few but we're waiting for a couple more before publishing.
(for comedic effect, conclude with some variation of "psychologists: happy people are happier than unhappy ones, or maybe it's the other way round. Also, doctors are telling us to stop licking walls, we're not sure why?")
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@BernieTheBernie yeah. It seems some fraction of the population just isn't susceptible to the virus. Which, as a note, puts a hard lid on the worst-case. Look at the Diamond Princess. Tested everybody, everybody closed in together. Only some (20%, IIRC) actually got the virus enough to register.
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@remi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
(for comedic effect, conclude with some variation of "psychologists: happy people are happier than unhappy ones, or maybe it's the other way round. Also, doctors are telling us to stop licking walls, we're not sure why?")
And academic sociologists: people are talking to people and this might mean something is happening, so we'll go along and listen to all the leaders talking and try to figure out everything that's going on at the most detailed level from that.
(I've got plenty of time for most parts of the humanities, even if I've little actual knowledge there, but the sociologists looking at organisational structure are outside that respected set, at least on the evidence I've seen. You never learn everything by just asking the people at the top. That's not how healthy organisations work.)
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@Sumy said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Which means that not modifying your behavior while on a mild case of sniffles (and a couple of days before) may easily make you a mass murderer.
At a time, mind, when many people (self included) have exactly that regardless of viruses/colds/pandemics. My allergies often are bad enough that I'm more miserable than even an actual infection...
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@remi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Slightly (but not even that much!) exaggerated:
Biologists: yeah, we've sequenced this genome and then identified a single gene of interest, so we've edited just a couple of bases in those mice and now if we shine some light on them we can track the movement of individual protein molecules while the mice go around their normal lives.
Chemists: btw, you might want to have a look at how we've designed those new molecules by manipulating individual atoms and building some sort of scaffolding with them so that the reaction happens just how we want it, molecule by molecule.
Physicists: oh you're going to love our new microscope, you can look at how individual electrons are moving around inside a normal-size sample, without destructing it or otherwise interfering with it. Also, we're looking at those random things (particles, cosmological events) that happen once in a lifetime and have effects billions of time smaller than anything else, we've already captured a few but we're waiting for a couple more before publishing.
(for comedic effect, conclude with some variation of "psychologists: happy people are happier than unhappy ones, or maybe it's the other way round. Also, doctors are telling us to stop licking walls, we're not sure why?")
Meanwhile, in computing: Look at how amazing our shiny new Javascript framework is! It can do a fraction of what was already possible 25 years ago, and it's only 2 times slower with 4 times as many bugs!
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On the funny side:
Spain fines Prince Joachim 10,400 euros
The Spanish authorities have fined Prince Joachim of Belgium 10,400 euros for flouting the country’s corona restrictions. The king’s nephew got the fine for failing to observe a fortnight’s quarantine after flying in to Madrid Airport during the loc
And the serious:
Janssen Pharmaceutica to test candidate corona vaccine on humans in July
Belgium’s Janssen Pharmaceutica is to start testing a potential corona vaccine on humans as early as the second half of July. The clinical tests were planned for September but because research is steaming ahead they are being brought forward. Some o
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@Sumy said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Which means that not modifying your behavior while on a mild case of sniffles (and a couple of days before) may easily make you a mass murderer. That's the tricky part - but if there wasn't a tricky part about it it wouldn't have gotten around to becoming a pandemic..
Unfortunately, the same could be said for the common flu, for much the same reasons. Incidentally, after the WHO changed their definition of pandemic, it is not terribly unlikely that we're having flu pandemics on a regular basis.
Just to remind ourselves of what the current definition of flu pandemic is:
An in-fluenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity.
The big difference from the perspective of the man-in-the-street (myself) is that I've never been tested for what specific flu virus I have in my entire life. This means I have no way of knowing whether my infection is caused by a new virus, or a boring old one - and neither does anybody else.
It gets even more interesting when we look at ILI (influenza-like illness) surveillance data. Have a scroll down the page to the virology swabbing results and see how many samples have been found to contain an unknown agent. We know a lot less about respiratory tract diseases than is generally assumed.
All of this isn't to say "it's just the flu, bro". It's to point out that if we want to differentiate between the way we respond to a flu season and the way we've responded to COVID-19, we can't be making arguments that apply equally well to the flu and COVID-19.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So we've all cross-contaminated
Not necessarily. My niece fell sick, and was tested positive. She and all her family (father, mother, brother) were sentenced to home quarantine. Despite living together with a symptomatic patient for a month, none of the three showed any symptoms any time (they were never tested again, the local authorities fucking terribly failed to do their job - even many symptomatic cases in their neighborhood were not tested when a single symptom was missing).
Many people do not spread the disease at all. A tiny minority spreads it to many other people. Good research is needed to tell non-spreaders from super-spreaders apart (but it is not done, at least I do not know any study about that).
I live in NYC, the are 6 people in my not really 3 BR with 1 bath. My in-laws' and SIL's apartment are not quite as crowded but both still only have a single bath.
Also, since no one was ever symptomatic we never trying to avoid each other.
We also may or may not have had a birthday party with 12 people.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meanwhile, in computing: Look at how amazing our shiny new Javascript framework is! It can do a fraction of what was already possible 25 years ago, and it's only 2 times slower with 4 times as many bugs!
Oh, wait, a new framework just came out. We need at least 16 weeks to convert the application over to it before we can possibly do any new work.
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@Sumy said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Which means that not modifying your behavior while on a mild case of sniffles (and a couple of days before) may easily make you a mass murderer. That's the tricky part
Indeed. Unless you are gifted with clairvoyance, it's difficult to modify your behavior before you know it needs to be modified. Some of the "modifications", like good hand washing, are good to practice all the time, anyway. Some might argue that others, like avoiding all contact with other humans, should also be the norm
, but that's a little harder to put into practice.But seriously, unless you spend your entire life living as though you are ill, you can't avoid the possibility of exposing others to an illness you don't yet know you have.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I've got plenty of time for most parts of the humanities
I spend most of it pointing and laughing.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meanwhile, in computing: Look at how amazing our shiny new Javascript framework is! It can do a fraction of what was already possible 25 years ago, and it's only 2 times slower with 4 times as many bugs! And uses 100x more memory!
OOOO SHINY!!!
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We also may or may not have had a birthday party with 12 people.
Under 15 so you're still good. Otherwise it's a Protest Party.
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@HardwareGeek said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Some might argue that others, like avoiding all contact with other humans, should also be the norm
, but that's a little harder to put into practice.IKR, but I do my best before, during and after the pandemic.
(Seriously, complying with the - pretty strict - lockdown measures here simply meant keeping to my normal daily routine. It's non-compliance that would take effort.)
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We also may or may not have had a birthday party with 12 people.
Under 15 so you're still good. Otherwise it's a Protest Party.
We're officially allowed 50 starting tomorrow!
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@boomzilla Lucky! Still 10 in my county, indefinitely.
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We also may or may not have had a birthday party with 12 people.
Under 15 so you're still good. Otherwise it's a Protest Party.
Some of the people in attendance may or may not work for government agencies may or may not have had to travel via public transport.
We joked that no one can post to Facebook in order to maintain plausible deniability.
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Sweden’s coronavirus experiment has well and truly failed
The country gained early praise from some for shunning lockdown, but it now has one of the highest per-capita rates of coronavirus death in the world
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The country gained early praise from some for shunning lockdown, but it now has one of the highest per-capita rates of coronavirus death in the world
The whole "get it over with" aspect of it implies that it will all happen more quickly. Until we get the final death totals of countries that decided to draw the process out, it's too soon to draw any conclusions because we're working with incomplete data.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The country gained early praise from some for shunning lockdown, but it now has one of the highest per-capita rates of coronavirus death in the world
The whole "get it over with" aspect of it implies that it will all happen more quickly. Until we get the final death totals of countries that decided to draw the process out, it's too soon to draw any conclusions because we're working with incomplete data.Filed under: It's easy to lead in the Marathon, no matter what the company, if everyone else is aiming to go twenty-six miles and you intend to run only a mile at the most. (More wisdom from The S-Man.)
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Until we get the final death totals
Between test kits shortage, death cause shenanigans, and huge differences in how data is gathered in particular countries - how do you plan to ever get those final totals?
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The country gained early praise from some for shunning lockdown, but it now has one of the highest per-capita rates of coronavirus death in the world
Two weeks ago.
But yeah, Sweden has more cases, but this is a disease that you can't lockdown your way out of it. The weekly deaths are still going down in Sweden and if the overall shape of the curve follows other countries, the deaths should drop off a cliff in Sweden in the coming days or weeks. And in a year, things should have settled enough that anything can be said about which country did the right thing, and which country did the wrong thing.
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@Gąska
As usual ... statistics. Comparing average deaths for 2020 to earlier years. In the Belgium numbers I posted this lines up with the pessimistic counting that is done of covid deaths. On a longer and bigger scale things will even more out but countries that where hit hard should still make a significant blip.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Until we get the final death totals
Between test kits shortage, death cause shenanigans, and huge differences in how data is gathered in particular countries - how do you plan to ever get those final totals?
If you're going to ask that question, we may as well turn it around and ask how credible the current numbers are that this article is based on in the first place.
But then you end up in a big, messy rabbit hole. At some point you have to make do with the statistics you've got.
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@Mason_Wheeler there's a subtle difference between "make do with the statistics you've got" and "these are the final numbers and we're absolutely sure nothing new will ever come up that will force us to make yet another correction". I'm totally fine with the former - just remember that your conclusions are only going to be as good as the data you base them on (ie. not very good in this case no matter what you do).
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@Luhmann said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska
As usual ... statistics. Comparing average deaths for 2020 to earlier years. In the Belgium numbers I posted this lines up with the pessimistic counting that is done of covid deaths. On a longer and bigger scale things will even more out but countries that where hit hard should still make a significant blip.Yeah, it will be possible to draw sensible conclusions from this. But it will be long after media is done with covid, general public won't hear about it and no one will learn anything for the future.
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Didn't see this till just now...
https://abc7.com/hertz-bankruptcy-car-rental-coronavirus-update/6206220/
which has led to:
Hertz selling fleet of cars at a discount following bankruptcy
If you haven't found a deal shopping used cars, Hertz may have some bigger discounts for you.
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@dcon Hmm, maybe that explains the increased spam rate from Hertz. "Double your rewards on every rental" But they're kinda wasting their spam budget on me; at most, I tend to rent a car less than once a year. And I can't claim my rewards if I had any to claim, because my reward program membership is through a former employer, using an expired credit card that I can't update because I can't log in using an email address I no longer have access to, or something like that.
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Coronavirus: Dexamethasone proves first life-saving drug
Patients should be given the cheap drug without delay, after "fantastic" trial results, experts say.
Not a miracle cure by any means, but a step in the right direction:
It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.
Analysis of hospital traffic and search engine data in Wuhan China indicates early disease activity in the Fall of 2019
Former Virginia Governor Ralph Northam - June
