C&C Remastered Pre-Order?
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My son wants this:
Command & Conquer™ Remastered Collection on Steam
Command & Conquer and Red Alert are both remastered in 4K by the former Westwood Studios team members. Includes all 3 expansions, rebuilt multiplayer, a modernized UI, Map Editor, bonus footage gallery, and over 7 hours of remastered music.
It's currently on pre-order status (for $19.99), set to release June 5th. Is there any benefit to pre-ordering this as opposed to waiting to pay until you can actually get the game?
He first asked my wife who thought the idea was ludicrous. My son said that Doom Eternal was cheaper on pre-order than it was when it came out. I told my kid I'd ask you guys who seem like you're wise in the ways of Steam.
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@boomzilla I'd be pretty sure that it will be released on schedule, so there's no harm in pre-ordering. (Why the heck isn't that just “ordering”? Grrr…)
While I never really got into the original C&C, Red Alert was a huge blast. Great fun.
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@dkf said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
Why the heck isn't that just “ordering”? Grrr…
Because ordering implies it will be delivered.
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He's not getting more goodies with this particular pre-order. Price may or may not change, I don't think 5 dollar increase is going to matter for anyone but screeching anons. For all pre-orders download can be started some time before the release, to be able to click Play as soon as the dates change.
It was a bunch of physical editions (all sold out, of course) that got minifigures, posters and shit, but because the boxes don't have discs anymore - only a paper with the key - Steam and Origin had to list this basic tier, too.
But I don't see any harm in doing so. You can cancel the pre-order at any time. Within 3 months you'd also get a proper refund.
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Preorders often get some exclusive cosmetics, and while it might sometimes be cheaper, usually it's not. And by buying post-release, you get a chance to read the reviews first, and avoid things like Warcraft 3 Reforged.
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Steam usually indicates if it's cheaper on pre-order although being EA and Steam it's unlikely always the case.
Games on release are often cheaper if you don't mind getting the keys elsewhere, which is what I often do.
E.g. https://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/@dkf said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
(Why the heck isn't that just “ordering”? Grrr…)
To highlight it's being bought pre-release.
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IIRC I was looking at pre-ordering Doom Eternal about ~24 hours before release, and that it was about €5 or so off. However, I'm fairly sure that at that point the Steam page specified the 10% discount explicitly and mentioned that the discount would end in X hours (where X was the number of hours until release).
(I decided to wait it out, and instead paid the €5 extra in exchange for waiting for the first reviews to come in and confirm that id didn't Bethesda it up.)
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@loopback0 said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
Games on release are often cheaper if you don't mind getting the keys
elsewherefrom thieves, scammers and other lowlives, which is what I often do.
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I've probably bought these games more times than I've bought games in total the last ten years. I can't answer the pre-order question, but I guess at $20 there might not be too much that you can do wrong?
I just want to mention that this seems to only include the original C&C: Tiberian Dawn, Red Alert and the expansion packs. While these are great, they already sold the The First Decade collection many years ago which contained everything up to Generals, most importantly including Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2.Besides that, more opinion that nobody asked for: C&C3 Tiberium Wars was absolutely awesome, RA3 was garbage, and C&C 4 - like these mythical Matrix sequels - never existed.
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@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
Because ordering implies it will be delivered.
Found the optimist.
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@Zecc optimist? I'm saying that "pre" orders have at least an order of magnitude higher chance to get royally messed up - up to and including never delivering the product at all and holding your money hostage for over a year - than regular orders! It's like when divorce stopped being seen as a bad thing, suddenly half of the married couples in the country got divorced. When you preorder, it's right there in the name that you're not actually making an order, and you can be ignored even more so than usual.
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@Gąska Ah, I knew I should have quoted you out of context instead. I spoiled the joke there.
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@cvi said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
id didn't Bethesda
id is a subsidiary of ZeniMax, and would never stoop as low as Bethesda, which is a subsidiary of ZeniMax.
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I don't think there's much to deliver in this case. It is my conviction that somebody just found all the original C&C assets on a dusty hard drive in some rarely used closet in one of EA's buildings, probably labeled "Westwood's corpse", ringed up Klepacki if he still had the original masters of the muzak (he did), rounded up a bunch of interns to make it compile (and run) on Win Ten-nic and rework the netcode, then got shareholder approval on the promise that this will sell a bunch of special edition toys to the oldfags.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
rounded up a bunch of interns to make it compile (and run) on Win Ten-nic and rework the netcode
If anything, this sounds like an excellent reason to wait for the first round of reviews.
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@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@loopback0 said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
Games on release are often cheaper if you don't mind getting the keys
elsewherefrom thieves, scammers and other lowlives, which is what I often do.Often it's just keys bought legitimately in cheaper markets and resold
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@cvi It's pretty much a given that it'll have issues. What doesn't these days.
I wonder why Dune games didn't get included in the package, what with all the commotion about the new movie. Could have cranked some more sales, but I guess Herbert's son might have wanted a fat check and legal said no. Not that games' Dune had much to do with the other, it mostly served as a different backdrop to the same game. The reason I'm pulling it up is that the last Dune game - Emperor: Battle for Dune - was made using the first iteration of a Sage3D, a proper 3D engine, so while it ran like a dog on my poor MX440, it didn't look like shit. In comparison to that, this 2020 version still graphically looks like shit.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
make it compile (and run) on Win Ten-nic and rework the netcode
Considering the old stuff used IPX for networking, modern OS and network support is pretty much the one reason why I’d buy this again.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
I wonder why Dune games didn't get included in the package, what with all the commotion about the new movie.
C&C can probably stand by its own, not sure if it would need the boost from Dune games. Besides, better to test the waters with this, and if it goes well, do a second release with the Dune stuff. Why sell only one thing, if you can sell two instead.
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@topspin I expect they will just bake in some IPX over UDP wrapper (like, for example, https://github.com/solemnwarning/ipxwrapper). Completely ripping out the old netcode might not even be realistic given the weird hacks gamedev is in-famous for.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@topspin I expect they will just bake in some IPX over UDP wrapper (like, for example, https://github.com/solemnwarning/ipxwrapper). Completely ripping out the old netcode might not even be realistic given the weird hacks gamedev is in-famous for.
As long as it works.
I spent way to much time getting that shit to work, or virtual LAN shit for Dungeon Siege.
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@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
holding your money hostage for over a year
To be fair you can get a refund on a pre-order on Steam at any point before the game releases.
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@Jaloopa said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@loopback0 said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
Games on release are often cheaper if you don't mind getting the keys
elsewherefrom thieves, scammers and other lowlives, which is what I often do.Often it's just keys bought legitimately in cheaper markets and resold
There are no "cheaper markets". And if there are, it's 20%, maybe 30% off the Steam price. Never 80%, as you often see on those sites. These keys are literally stolen - containers full of game boxes are being intercepted before delivery to a store and resold online.
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@topspin said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
I spent way to much time getting that shit to work, or virtual LAN shit for Dungeon Siege.
You used to play ol' Dungeon Siege? Wow, sounds like we could be friends!
Then again - meh, multiplayer. I used a mod to play MP map it all by myself, on a lonely road... alone.
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I'd never buy anything EA preorder, I'd probably wait a few months as well so they can fix all the game breaking bugs
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I think that if you want the preorder bonuses but avoid actually preordering, buying it at the last possible moment is probably best. Like the day before release.
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@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@Jaloopa said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@loopback0 said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
Games on release are often cheaper if you don't mind getting the keys
elsewherefrom thieves, scammers and other lowlives, which is what I often do.Often it's just keys bought legitimately in cheaper markets and resold
There are no "cheaper markets". And if there are, it's 20%, maybe 30% off the Steam price. Never 80%, as you often see on those sites. These keys are literally stolen - containers full of game boxes are being intercepted before delivery to a store and resold online.
There certainly are cheaper markets. It's not unusual for USD to GBP conversions to be 1:1, which can be close to a 50% price hike when the pound is strong against the dollar. Plenty of other currencies fluctuate enough to allow some decent arbitrage.
80% is probably via theft, whether it's stolen accounts and credit cards or physical theft of games, but there's a wide range of dodginess
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
I don't think there's much to deliver in this case. It is my conviction that somebody just found all the original C&C assets on a dusty hard drive in some rarely used closet in one of EA's buildings, probably labeled "Westwood's corpse", ringed up Klepacki if he still had the original masters of the muzak (he did), rounded up a bunch of interns to make it compile (and run) on Win Ten-nic and rework the netcode, then got shareholder approval on the promise that this will sell a bunch of special edition toys to the oldfags.
Sounds plausible. Most 'remastered' editions I looked at were disgraceful cash grabs and just playing original games was the best decision*.
@Gąska said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
There are no "cheaper markets". And if there are, it's 20%, maybe 30% off the Steam price. Never 80%, as you often see on those sites. These keys are literally stolen - containers full of game boxes are being intercepted before delivery to a store and resold online.
There actually are. For many games there are steam keys sold in sets at large discounts, for different reasons. You can buy perfectly legal keys at up to 50% off, from sites like keye.
* Just look at Baldur's Gate Beamdog shitshow for an example.
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@error said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@cvi said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
id didn't Bethesda
id is a subsidiary of ZeniMax, and would never stoop as low as Bethesda, which is a subsidiary of ZeniMax.
ZeniMax is a holding company created by Bethesda, controlled by the same people who control Bethesda. It's Bethesda in everything but name.
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@powerlord said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@error said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@cvi said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
id didn't Bethesda
id is a subsidiary of ZeniMax, and would never stoop as low as Bethesda, which is a subsidiary of ZeniMax.
ZeniMax is a holding company created by Bethesda, controlled by the same people who control Bethesda. It's Bethesda in everything but name.
Bethesda
id
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I've just spotted the preload (download it before launch so it's ready in advance) is available now.
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Command & Conquer Remastered Collection review: Loving the smell of Tiberium
This 4K-ready return hews tightly to the original games, and that's mostly good news.
Looking like it might be worth the purchase.(loved the originals).
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I preloaded it and then forgot it released today
Installing now...
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Original source code (without assets) apparently is here:
GitHub - electronicarts/CnC_Remastered_Collection
Contribute to electronicarts/CnC_Remastered_Collection development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Thanks, guys. He just brought me a $20 and I bought it for him.
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The fourth Soviet mission is called Behind the Lines, and it's pretty basic. Destroy a radar dome, then wipe out all of the enemy's structures and units.
But after building a dozen tanks and steamrolling the Allied forces, nothing happened. The 'mission complete' message never flashed up on the screen, even though I'd fulfilled all my objectives.
I turned to Google, wondering if I'd encountered a bug of some kind. Which is when I saw a post from a guy called Stephen Smith, who was having precisely the same problem as me—23 years ago.
Man, this really IS a faithful remaster.
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@Applied-Mediocrity probably a harvester somewhere in the corner of the map, or some shit like that.
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@topspin said in C&C Remastered Pre-Order?:
@Applied-Mediocrity probably a harvester somewhere in the corner of the map, or some shit like that.
Hi there, DenverCoder9
Guy playing Command & Conquer: Red Alert 23 years ago: I feel your pain
