Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall Do you have a source for NYC sending nurses home due to lack of demand?
I remember reading it (possibly here), but no. Not directly. So I'll withdraw that one at least partially.
But I do know that there are no significant reports of the kind of overwhelming crush that Lombardy had, for instance. And the US media would be all over that in a heartbeat (not just for partisan reasons, but because death sells in the media business). Yet there haven't been such stories. And according to Governor Cuomo, ICU beds are freeing up and have been. That is, the number of acute hospitalizations is on a downward trend. So if they weren't overwhelmed before, and the trend is downward, it's going to be a very hard sell to Joe Schmo in Idaho, where things are barely even ticking outside Sun Valley (the local "rich celebrity" area where Hollywood types have mansions) that it's essential to keep the whole country on lock-down. Which was my point.
Of course, @Karla would know more details.
Yeah, I live near a hospital and know people who work for it. While I haven't asked if they are laying off staff, I did ask, before a public announcement of a downward trend, if the ICU beds were overwhelmed. I was told they had plenty of room (TBFthat is after converting non-ICU beds into ICU beds).
The numbers for NYC:
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla The point is that he delivered nothing what he haven't heard before: "Oh, it's not that bad!" while not coming up with any substantial evidence to underly his bold claim.
Ah, the old "Without evidence!" claim, when in fact everything points to his conclusion.
I might agree to that if he said an order of magnitude. But he said "orders", i.e. at least two.
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Everyone's all up in arms over a 1-2% death rate, but if you model with 1 extra (asymptomatic and therefore untested) case for every confirmed case, then that instantly cuts the case fatality rate in half. (Or, alternatively, the authors of the Gangelt study extrapolated their data to suggest Germany's true CFR should be less than 1/4th of the current calculated CFR). And a fatality rate of 0.4%-1% of all cases, while not a good number, doesn't seem to be that much more significant than other seasonal respiratory illnesses (e.g. the flu) that we deal with without locking everyone down.
If you are including the asymptomatic cases and successful repeals with specific immunity triggering for covid, you have to include them for flu as well. I don't think the published fatality rates for flu include them. I am not sure anybody even ever investigated them, but there is probably even more of them than for covid exactly because flu is a recurring disease and covid is a new one.
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden I don't take any article too seriously that uses words like "stupid".
Not sure why you're using FoxNews then as a source of "news".
If you can find an actual article I've supplied that uses that word or a word like it, then you might have a point.
Well, I'm going by what your POTUS said about them.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Do you have a source for NYC sending nurses home due to lack of demand?
I read something about that a few days ago. The explanation there was that while intensive care capacity was problematic, patients in other areas declined (people staying home or just away from hospitals). There were especially much fewer people going to the emergency reception. (From the explanation there, ER is apparently popular for people that don't have proper insurance and/or a what you'd call a "house doctor" here.)
Don't think the following was specifically for NYC, but there was also a part about hospitals losing money because "lucrative" patients had declined and as a reaction they had to cut the pay or even furlough nurses / doctors.
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@cvi in addition to this, the number of Tik Tok videos choreographed by bored as fuck medical staff with nothing to do is, as the kids say, "not a great look" given that we were all told to expect apocalypse.
Locally, we are seeing very little of the expected crush and while a certain type of over involved twitter activist keeps begging for harsher and harsher measures from every level of the executive branch, the rest of us are beginning to wonder what the hell they are smoking if the current measures are working beyond anyone's expectations.
Indeed, isn't it time to loosen these measures if we are overstaffed and overstocked?
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@WhatYouSay said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
fuck medical staff with nothing to do is, as the kids say, "not a great look" given that we were all told to expect apocalypse.
Well, I'm no specialist on health care jobs, but I would assume that there are different specializations. So, a chiropractor might not have too much to do at the moment, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a shortage of staff elsewhere?
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@cvi An ICU nurse is rather specialized, yes.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
A large PCR (ie active infection) testing at a Boston homeless shelter--roughly 5x as many tested positive as had symptoms. Either the tests are crap or the virus is largely asymptomatic and way wider spread.
I just heard on the radio news a few minutes ago that of blood donors in the Netherlands, 3% or 5% (I don’t remember the exact number, but it was one of those — great memory, huh? :) have antibodies to Covid-19 in their blood, but none of them had shown symptoms because then they wouldn’t have been donating blood.
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Starting today, everyone in Poland has to cover their mouth and nose in all public spaces all the time. "Public spaces" is so ill-defined it covers most private spaces too (not that it makes much difference). The few exceptions include: children under 4, driving a car alone or only with children under 4, medical reasons, religious leaders while performing religious duties, fishermen, bus drivers if they're separated from passengers, and some weirdly specific employees in weirdly specific industries but only sometimes - the exact rules are too complicated and have too many external references for me to try to make sense of it.
In other news, they've almost changed the absolute ban on entering public green spaces (forests, parks etc.) to also cover cemeteries and grass strips next to sidewalks. Probably an accident, because all the relevant regulation said was remove the explicit list of banned places and replace it with a reference to the general definition of public green space from the environment protection act. I guess nobody checked what the new definition actually said. Did I mention the minimum penalty for entering public green space is 10,000zł (about 2,500 US dollars)?
Oh yeah, I think I haven't mentioned that we have an absolute ban on entering public green spaces. It was enacted a week or two ago. You also cannot leave your house for any reason other than work, essential purchases and services and to visit close family. Gatherings of 3 or more people are also banned (not counting close family, of course). No one respects these laws, of course.
(We need a polandball emoji.)
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Travelling 20-30 minutes by car to go to a park or beach elsewhere is a different thing entirely.
I've never understood why this is seen to be the case. Can someone ELI5?
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Travelling 20-30 minutes by car to go to a park or beach elsewhere is a different thing entirely.
I've never understood why this is seen to be the case. Can someone ELI5?
Because it'll lead to large amounts of people travelling to the same places.
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
If you're travelling for 20-30 minutes, you are probably driving to a place that draws significantly more people per area than the local park.
Of course, distance to and size of the local park will vary a lot per area.Maybe. But thinking of parks that we would travel that distance to I think of very large parks that have much more room to spread out in than our local city parks.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Autotranslate but you get the gist. But the translation is rather apt: Yeah, you definitely cease to be ... erm, contagious if you're dead from Covid-19.
To be fair, they're probably still contagious for a little while. But they're also much less likely to be walking around and spreading the disease.
After cremation they're very unlikely to be contagious.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla The point is that he delivered nothing what he haven't heard before: "Oh, it's not that bad!" while not coming up with any substantial evidence to underly his bold claim.
Of course Fox News will lap that up. I'm not seeing why I'm the bad guy here suddenly for calling out the dearth of information behind that load of hot air from some unknow guy.
We've covered this in the garage.
We can be pretty much 100% certain that there are a significant number of people that contract COVID-19 (I'm even behaving myself and not using my garage euphemisms for the disease) that have mild or no symptoms. Up to and including asymptomatic people who never knew they were sick at all. How many there are is an unknown right now.
We can also be absolutely certain that there are deaths in the COVID-19 death toll that did not die from COVID-19. Agencies have basically no standardization in what deaths should be reported for the official tally. It is unlikely that we will ever have truly accurate numbers for actual COVID-19 deaths.
So, right now, we don't know the numerator or the denominator. We only know that the numerator is too high by some amount and the denominator is too low by some amount.
This is to be expected when in the middle of pandemic. You do the best you can. Precisely accurate numbers aren't as important as keeping people alive and preventing spread of disease. There is also some incentive to be liberal with the numbers as it helps with getting aid and the more fearful people are the more likely they are to adhere to guidelines. Guidelines that in many places are largely voluntary.
So I don't see how what the headline says the doctor claims wouldn't shake out to be correct when we get to the other side of this.
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@cvi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@WhatYouSay said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
fuck medical staff with nothing to do is, as the kids say, "not a great look" given that we were all told to expect apocalypse.
Well, I'm no specialist on health care jobs, but I would assume that there are different specializations. So, a chiropractor might not have too much to do at the moment, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a shortage of staff elsewhere?
Chiropractors are quacks anyway.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We can also be absolutely certain that there are deaths in the COVID-19 death toll that did not die from COVID-19. Agencies have basically no standardization in what deaths should be reported for the official tally. It is unlikely that we will ever have truly accurate numbers for actual COVID-19 deaths.
Same goes for the flu, by the way.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@cvi An ICU nurse is rather specialized, yes.
How so?
I'm not calling BS. But it doesn't seem logical to me. They all learn basically the same things in school and (internship, residency, what do they call it for nurses?)
Yeah, they have different work experiences and such than other nurses. But I would expect that any RN would be able to help out in an ICU or elsewhere. They may not be as good at the job as a nurse that has specialized in ICU and done it for years. I'm sure that labor and delivery nurses probably haven't intubated anyone for quite a while. But they should be able to adapt and be productive.
All that said, I could certainly be wrong. I am welcome to he proven so. And if general nurses can't generally adapt and rise to the occasion in ER and ICU then that is something that should be looked at. Possibly requiring an annual rotation to ER or ICU in order to keep their accreditation. Keep their skills fresh(ish).
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Starting today, everyone in Poland has to cover their mouth and nose in all public spaces all the time......The few exceptions include:....fishermen
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@Polygeekery There's a whole machinery park in ICUs which a normal nurse is not required to supervise.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Because it'll lead to large amounts of people travelling to the same places.
But what if those places are very large, as parks tend to be? South of our city there is a massive state park. It's roughly in the range mentioned and thousands of people could visit it and never hardly see another person.
UK police have released drone footage of people hiking and walking their dogs in some rural park and the people are hundreds of feet from others, if there is even anyone else in the footage. That seems like an overreaction.
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@Polygeekery the shortage from what I've heard are ventilator-specialist nurses, who have a whole separate training process.
And sadly, nursing (like so many other jobs) has become siloed by licensing. Sure, you can do the other job at (made up numbers) 80% efficiency. Or at least take some of the non-specialist tasks. But you don't have the license, so you can't do it at all. Because some people said so, and the hospital can get fined/shut down if you do.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Starting today, everyone in Poland has to cover their mouth and nose in all public spaces all the time. "Public spaces" is so ill-defined it covers most private spaces too (not that it makes much difference). The few exceptions include: children under 4, driving a car alone or only with children under 4, medical reasons, religious leaders while performing religious duties, fishermen, bus drivers if they're separated from passengers, and some weirdly specific employees in weirdly specific industries but only sometimes - the exact rules are too complicated and have too many external references for me to try to make sense of it.
In other news, they've almost changed the absolute ban on entering public green spaces (forests, parks etc.) to also cover cemeteries and grass strips next to sidewalks. Probably an accident, because all the relevant regulation said was remove the explicit list of banned places and replace it with a reference to the general definition of public green space from the environment protection act. I guess nobody checked what the new definition actually said. Did I mention the minimum penalty for entering public green space is 10,000zł (about 2,500 US dollars)?
Oh yeah, I think I haven't mentioned that we have an absolute ban on entering public green spaces. It was enacted a week or two ago. You also cannot leave your house for any reason other than work, essential purchases and services and to visit close family. Gatherings of 3 or more people are also banned (not counting close family, of course). No one respects these laws, of course.
(We need a polandball emoji.)
Everything concerning this epidemic in Poland was a total clusterfuck.
Starting with ad hoc procured laws that are clearly unconstitutional, vague and contradicting. Through bizarre to the death fight not to announce national crisis and keep elections at previously defined date. Up to idiotic structure of fines for disobedience, complete randomness in dealing them out and widespread disregard for those new rules, firmly crossing the line into territory of disregard for own safety.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Same goes for the flu, by the way.
No argument there. But it also misses the point.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
They all learn basically the same things in school
ICU, Operation Theater, Emergency Services, ... are all specialisations above the general 'nurse' around here. It's not a title they get because they work at a certain department.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
They all learn basically the same things in school and (internship, residency, what do they call it for nurses?)
It's probably more pronounced at "higher levels", e.g. full medical doctors (those I know specialize during the education). I think nurses might too (but, as said, it's been a while since I talked to nursing students). You'd probably do your internship/residency in a specific department as well.
Possibly requiring an annual rotation to ER or ICU in order to keep their accreditation. Keep their skills fresh(ish).
Meh. Why single out nurses for this? Shouldn't we then require programmers or engineers to do rotations as well? (After all, those went to the same school too...) Or any role that specializes to any degree?
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Same goes for the flu, by the way.
No argument there. But it also misses the point.
Not really. Because the flu is quite often used as the yardstick. And conveniently left out that numbers for the flu are subject to the same uncertainties as the numbers for Covid.
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@cvi I'm also not convinced that a rotation out of / into the ER of all places is such a good idea.
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@cvi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meh. Why single out nurses for this? Shouldn't we then require programmers or engineers to do rotations as well? (After all, those went to the same school too...) Or any role that specializes to any degree?
Programmers and engineers aren't going to be called in to a different role during national emergencies. The idea being that if (pandemic, natural disasters, terrorism, etc) requires a large additional number of (ICU, ER, etc) nurses or doctors then we would have a reserve of people capable of rising to the occasion.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@cvi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meh. Why single out nurses for this? Shouldn't we then require programmers or engineers to do rotations as well? (After all, those went to the same school too...) Or any role that specializes to any degree?
Programmers and engineers aren't going to be called in to a different role during national emergencies. The idea being that if (pandemic, natural disasters, terrorism, etc) requires a large additional number of (ICU, ER, etc) nurses or doctors then we would have a reserve of people capable of rising to the occasion.
That would require the hospitals not to work under capitalistic rules.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Not really. Because the flu is quite often used as the yardstick. And conveniently left out that numbers for the flu are subject to the same uncertainties as the numbers for Covid.
Sort of.
We have more historical information to help make educated guesses that help make those numbers more accurate.
Right now with COVID-19 (this is painful) we don't know much if anything. It will only be in retrospect that we will get closer to accurate numbers. But I don't have much hope for it ever being that accurate. Right now we are intentionally polluting the data.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
That would require the hospitals not to work under capitalistic rules.
No it wouldn't.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
That would require the hospitals not to work under capitalistic rules.
No it wouldn't.
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Currently we're quite happy with our "overprovisioning". Weird.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
For nurses that's simply not true. You're on par with Russia.
Hospital beds: Also not true. You're ranked with the Lebanon
Physicians: Trinidad and Tobago have more than you.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
If you're travelling for 20-30 minutes, you are probably driving to a place that draws significantly more people per area than the local park.
Of course, distance to and size of the local park will vary a lot per area.Maybe. But thinking of parks that we would travel that distance to I think of very large parks that have much more room to spread out in than our local city parks.
Yeah , we have some state parks that have lots of space. They have a per car charge. They could limit the number of cars.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
fishermen
Do fish get scared off by face masks or something?
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@hungrier it's more about no immediate need to wear. There aren't many opportunities for contagion in the middle of a lake.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Oh yeah, I think I haven't mentioned that we have an absolute ban on entering public green spaces. It was enacted a week or two ago.
One popular right-wing pundit suggested (I can't find the link) that this ban is a delibrerate trick, in the manner of rabbi's goat. Next week they're going to lift it, and say 'You see? We opened the forests! Tusk didn't open any forests, we did!'
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
Physicians: Trinidad and Tobago have more than you.
North Korea is 28 spots ahead of the US on this list, huh? And Cuba is first?
Does that suggest a data collection problem to you?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
Physicians: Trinidad and Tobago have more than you.
North Korea is 28 spots ahead of the US on this list, huh? And Cuba is first?
Does that suggest a data collection problem to you?
Yeah. definitions are sketchy and varying. And subject to "creative manipulation" for PR purposes.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The idea being that if (pandemic, natural disasters, terrorism, etc) requires a large additional number of (ICU, ER, etc) nurses or doctors then we would have a reserve of people capable of rising to the occasion.
No, yeah, that sounds useful. Maybe something the government can look into and come up with some corresponding regulations and find a way to finance it?
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We can also be absolutely certain that there are deaths in the COVID-19 death toll that did not die from COVID-19. […] We only know that the numerator is too high by some amount and the denominator is too low by some amount.
You conveniently forgot to mention that the opposite of your first statement is also true: Not all COVID-19-related deaths are classified as such due to lack of testing, especially in the first few weeks.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Everything concerning this epidemic in Poland was a total clusterfuck.
Starting with ad hoc procured laws that are clearly unconstitutional, vague and contradicting. Through bizarre to the death fight not to announce national crisis and keep elections at previously defined date.Damn, am I living in Poland and not realizing it? Because it perfectly describes the situation here, even the election bit.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
Physicians: Trinidad and Tobago have more than you.
North Korea is 28 spots ahead of the US on this list, huh? And Cuba is first?
Does that suggest a data collection problem to you?
Way to derail the conversation by focusing on the dubious data points instead of the interesting ones (European countries). The simple truth is that pretty much all US healthcare statistics don't look great in an international comparison.
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@cvi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meh. Why single out nurses for this? Shouldn't we then require programmers or engineers to do rotations as well? (After all, those went to the same school too...) Or any role that specializes to any degree?
: There are full-stacks developers. We need full-stack nurses!
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
Physicians: Trinidad and Tobago have more than you.
North Korea is 28 spots ahead of the US on this list, huh? And Cuba is first?
Does that suggest a data collection problem to you?
Way to derail the conversation by focusing on the dubious data points instead of the interesting ones (European countries). The simple truth is that pretty much all US healthcare statistics don't look great in an international comparison.
Except, you know, outcomes. Which matters here. And international comparisons are really really hard because nobody uses the same criteria/definitions. So basically you can get those comparisons to come out however the heck you want them to by weighting different data differently.
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@Benjamin-Hall
While that's technically true, it's not a good point to make in this context unless you point out how, specifically, the hospital beds per population statistic is supposedly distorted and point us to a good source. Because that one seems to be pretty hard to fudge without anyone noticing.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The simple truth is that pretty much all US healthcare statistics don't look great in an international comparison.
Depends very very very heavily on what sorts of comparisons you make.
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Before I forget why I originally came to this thread:
I experienced the first COVID-19-related shortage today. Apparently, my thyroid medication is unavailable everywhere, they cannot just give me a lower dosage due to regulations (
, as if I cannot do simple math) and by the time I get a new prescription, those lower dosages will probably be gone as well.I'm really looking forward to not being able to get out of bed, gaining weight and whatever else will happen when my hormone levels go haywire again. Fuck.
