Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@boomzilla no, I'm going from memory, I distinctly remember before China announced the lockdown that the WHO was saying that they were not doing enough. Early January then. Can't find anything now.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla my local drinkery has automated lights. It's practically a certainty that the lights will switch off mid-piss, and you gotta do that weird dance with your head to get the thingy to sense movement.
If you want them to, say, change the timer so the lights stay on for longer, do the weird dance with something other than your head.
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At the Tidal Basin next to the National Mall in Washington, DC are a bunch of cherry trees that were given as a gift from the Mayor of Tokyo in 1912. They're at peak bloom now and normally there's a big festival at this time, but of course it's been canceled this year. However, there's a live view of the trees:
Still a few people walking around, but far fewer than you'd normally see.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
a few people walking around
Half the population of Middle Baltistan. Goddammit, this is how rush hour looks over here
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@magnusmaster Erm, both the quotation marks and the emoji should have made it clear what I think of that kind of stuff.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'm not one for regulations but I would be all for a federal requirement that restrooms doors open outward from the inside so that no one has to touch door handles when leaving restrooms.
That's a potential fire hazard, though.
You're talking to @Polygeekery.
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I don't know if this is common in other countries, but I am so tired of this fucking phrase:
out of an abundance of caution
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Also, Taiwan thought there was:
Taiwan is not a member of the WHO, however. For the same reason nobody officially has any diplomatic relations with them.
Yes, it's stupid, but hardly surprising.
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla my local drinkery has automated lights. It's practically a certainty that the lights will switch off mid-piss, and you gotta do that weird dance with your head to get the thingy to sense movement.
If you want them to, say, change the timer so the lights stay on for longer, do the weird dance with something other than your head.
The
is strong. Their toilet is already a swamp as it is.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Also, Taiwan thought there was:
Taiwan is not a member of the WHO, however. For the same reason nobody officially has any diplomatic relations with them.
Yes, it's stupid, but hardly surprising.
Yes, and that's whole 'nother kettle of fish. But they'd been studying the virus firsthand a lot less than mainland Chinese had been. @admiral_p's assertion that they still thought it was all coming from animals in mid-January is just not credible.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'm not one for regulations but I would be all for a federal requirement that restrooms doors open outward from the inside so that no one has to touch door handles when leaving restrooms.
That's a potential fire hazard, though.
Huh?
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@boomzilla according to the Financial Times:
Taiwan said its doctors had heard from mainland colleagues that medical staff were getting ill — a sign of human-to-human transmission. Taipei officials said they reported this to both International Health Regulations (IHR), a WHO framework for exchange of epidemic prevention and response data between 196 countries, and Chinese health authorities on December 31.
If this were the case, I don't think the WHO would have acted in accordance to hearsay reported by a non-member. I mean, it is not the expected course of action. Whatever you may believe about the WHO I don't think there was any real bad faith. Medical reporting, after all, should always strike a balance between speed and accuracy. For the record, I don't think that China, for all its faults, has behaved particularly badly. As we can see all over the world, the usual first official response is "no biggie". China did suppress information, but that's hardly surprising is it? It is China we are talking about. (This is not a defence, but the outrage just seems a bit misplaced). And even without suppression of information, it's official acknowledgement that counts, and I don't see how China would have ever realistically contained the infection in the first place. As I have previously said, the state of things is that everybody has at some point brushed the virus off as a particularly bad flu (and in some ways it is, if you compare it to SARS; the real problem is that it spreads much more easily).
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Carnage @Polygeekery really it's all for peace of mind because anything you touch in a bathroom is going to be contaminated. The doors, the taps, the toilets (seats and all), even the toilet paper is not going to be immaculate. Just wash your hands as thoroughly as possible and silence that voice in your head that tells you're going to die of something that wouldn't be out of place in House, MD.
You certainly have a point, and at a time when I would visit skanky bars I would occasionally make the judgment call that my crotch was cleaner than the sink and not wash my hands. But the problem is that lots of people don't wash their hands and then touch the door handle on the way out of the restroom. So if you have to grab the door handle it is substantially similar to grabbing the crotch of several hundred people who visited that restroom recently.
For similar reasons I never eat the snacks that some bars set out for patrons. Chips, peanuts, pub mix, etc. It may as well have been rubbed on the genitals of 75% of the people who are at the bar.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla my local drinkery has automated lights. It's practically a certainty that the lights will switch off mid-piss, and you gotta do that weird dance with your head to get the thingy to sense movement.
I know those feels homie.
The client that recently went through a large expansion, the new space has the motion light things. The other day I setup my laptop in one of the new conference rooms. After a bit I was working in the dark. I ended up tiring of people asking me why so every 10 or so minutes I would get up and wave my hands around the entrance so they would come back on.
Annoying. Once all the hysteria is over they are going to have the switches swapped out for the type that can be set to constant on.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla according to the Financial Times:
Taiwan said its doctors had heard from mainland colleagues that medical staff were getting ill — a sign of human-to-human transmission. Taipei officials said they reported this to both International Health Regulations (IHR), a WHO framework for exchange of epidemic prevention and response data between 196 countries, and Chinese health authorities on December 31.
If this were the case, I don't think the WHO would have acted in accordance to hearsay reported by a non-member.
Well, we already know they didn't. Duh.
I mean, it is not the expected course of action. Whatever you may believe about the WHO I don't think there was any real bad faith.
Then they are far too gullible to be trusted by anyone for anything.
Medical reporting, after all, should always strike a balance between speed and accuracy. For the record, I don't think that China, for all its faults, has behaved particularly badly.
You are really earning your Tankie reputation here. THEY ARRESTED DOCTORS FOR DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS. Which, by the way, might have saved a bunch of your contrymen.
As we can see all over the world, the usual first official response is "no biggie".
Yes, because it takes a while for the deaths and serious cases to pile up. But that's not what people are criticizing China. They literally covered it all up you knob.
China did suppress information, but that's hardly surprising is it? It is China we are talking about. (This is not a defence, but the outrage just seems a bit misplaced).
And even without suppression of information, it's official acknowledgement that counts, and I don't see how China would have ever realistically contained the infection in the first place. As I have previously said, the state of things is that everybody has at some point brushed the virus off as a particularly bad flu (and in some ways it is, if you compare it to SARS; the real problem is that it spreads much more easily).
Yes the ease of spread is the problem. Especially when the people watching it happen lie to you and tell you the total opposite. Your reaction here is really unbelievable.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So if you have to grab the door handle it is substantially similar to grabbing the crotch of several hundred people who visited that restroom recently.
The real danger isn't their crotch but their ass, if they took a dump.
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@Polygeekery There was an experiment (if you're interested I can dig it out - it's in German, though) where they set out to show how easily something is spread and also where and how often we touch ourselves in the face.
This was setup in a bar, the "initiator" put some fluorescent lotion on his hands and then shook hands with all (unwitting) participants.
After waiting for a while they then took UV lamps to see where the stuff had ended up.
It was practically everywhere - even the barkeep had some on his hands and transferred that to the bottles he opened and the beer he poured...
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if this is common in other countries, but I am so tired of this fucking phrase:
out of an abundance of caution
Rand Paul?
I've just read that exact phrase there, don't remember it anywhere else. As an ESL speaker I'm not quite sure what your objection is. I guess it makes it sound like there was "too much" caution, when it turned out to be entirely justified?In other news: Merkel in quarantine.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla my local drinkery has automated lights. It's practically a certainty that the lights will switch off mid-piss, and you gotta do that weird dance with your head to get the thingy to sense movement.
LOL
First, I was like, why don't you use your hands...them I like, OH yeah, dude.
Office lights are motion also but they don't turn off until a long time of lack of motion. Only happens if I stay at work late.
Oh yeah! Another one from the same client and same expansion. The largest conference room has a projector for their continuing education stuff, biweekly all-staff meetings, etc. The same motion detecting lights were installed in there. Which gave the opposite issue in that you couldn't turn the lights off to make the projector have better contrast.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if this is common in other countries, but I am so tired of this fucking phrase:
out of an abundance of caution
Rand Paul?
I've just read that exact phrase there, don't remember it anywhere else. As an ESL speaker I'm not quite sure what your objection is. I guess it makes it sound like there was "too much" caution, when it turned out to be entirely justified?In other news: Merkel in quarantine.
My objection is not the meaning of the phrase, just that I've seen the exact same phrase in dozens of emails and articles.
ETA: from schools, the Y, gymnastics, museums, any website I've ever bought anything from, some I don't remember at all.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So if you have to grab the door handle it is substantially similar to grabbing the crotch of several hundred people who visited that restroom recently.
The real danger isn't their crotch but their ass, if they took a dump.
Don't care. I don't want to fondle either for most of the patrons and none of the ones that visit the restroom that I do.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
There was an experiment (if you're interested I can dig it out - it's in German, though)
Imagine my surprise!! At least it is online!
;)
I kid. Seriously. No ill will intended.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So if you have to grab the door handle it is substantially similar to grabbing the crotch of several hundred people who visited that restroom recently.
The real danger isn't their crotch but their ass, if they took a dump.
Don't care. I don't want to fondle either for most of the patrons and none of the ones that visit the restroom that I do.
Oh, I agree. It's gross! But you can convince yourself it didn't happen and you'll be fine if that's all it is. Not the same with some of the bacteria that gets spread the other way.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
There was an experiment (if you're interested I can dig it out - it's in German, though)
Imagine my surprise!! At least it is online!
;)
I kid. Seriously. No ill will intended.
Hey, WTF, we stopped those kind of experiments a long time ago!
Insert your own China jokes here for
:trolleybus::house:content
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I would occasionally make the judgment call that my crotch was cleaner than the sink and not wash my hands.
BTDT
But the problem is that lots of people don't wash their hands and then touch the door handle on the way out of the restroom. So if you have to grab the door handle it is substantially similar to grabbing the crotch of several hundred people who visited that restroom recently.
For similar reasons I never eat the snacks that some bars set out for patrons. Chips, peanuts, pub mix, etc. It may as well have been rubbed on the genitals of 75% of the people who are at the bar.
Yeah, when all of this is over, hopefully some people have learned at least a bit about proper hygiene. And I will have learned (suspected already, but not in those numbers) that the amount of people who are literally too dumb to take a shit is
:toodamnhigh.png:.
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I received an email from Harbor Freight earlier. They are going to donate all of their stock of nitrile gloves, masks and face shields to hospitals. The email had a link for those who work at hospitals in need to submit their request.
That's quite the gesture. Good on them.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Yeah, when all of this is over, hopefully some people have learned at least a bit about proper hygiene.
You're adorable.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if this is common in other countries, but I am so tired of this fucking phrase:
out of an abundance of caution
I've started using it ironically.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla according to the Financial Times:
Taiwan said its doctors had heard from mainland colleagues that medical staff were getting ill — a sign of human-to-human transmission. Taipei officials said they reported this to both International Health Regulations (IHR), a WHO framework for exchange of epidemic prevention and response data between 196 countries, and Chinese health authorities on December 31.
If this were the case, I don't think the WHO would have acted in accordance to hearsay reported by a non-member.
Well, we already know they didn't. Duh.
I mean, it is not the expected course of action. Whatever you may believe about the WHO I don't think there was any real bad faith.
Then they are far too gullible to be trusted by anyone for anything.
Well, I don't know that it's proper for an international organisation to act on third-hand hearsay.
Medical reporting, after all, should always strike a balance between speed and accuracy. For the record, I don't think that China, for all its faults, has behaved particularly badly.
You are really earning your Tankie reputation here. THEY ARRESTED DOCTORS FOR DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS. Which, by the way, might have saved a bunch of your contrymen.
And how is that not par for the course for China? I refuse to believe that you're so unworldly. If we're talking about fellow countrymen dying because of some other country's actions, I have many examples of far more direct involvement by other countries...
As we can see all over the world, the usual first official response is "no biggie".
Yes, because it takes a while for the deaths and serious cases to pile up. But that's not what people are criticizing China. They literally covered it all up you knob.
When it was basically a local phenomenon. Their hubris hit them in the face. Again, not unexpected.
China did suppress information, but that's hardly surprising is it? It is China we are talking about. (This is not a defence, but the outrage just seems a bit misplaced).
Would you expect otherwise of a bloody dictatorship? I can assure you that right now they are suppressing loads of other people too.
And even without suppression of information, it's official acknowledgement that counts, and I don't see how China would have ever realistically contained the infection in the first place. As I have previously said, the state of things is that everybody has at some point brushed the virus off as a particularly bad flu (and in some ways it is, if you compare it to SARS; the real problem is that it spreads much more easily).
Yes the ease of spread is the problem. Especially when the people watching it happen lie to you and tell you the total opposite. Your reaction here is really unbelievable.
My reaction is rather "it's pointless to lay blame at the moment; besides I don't believe other countries would have behaved much differently, bar the censorship and suppression".
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
And how is that not par for the course for China? I refuse to believe that you're so unworldly. If we're talking about fellow countrymen dying because of some other country's actions, I have many examples of far more direct involvement by other countries...
What makes you think I don't. I'm just calling you out for defending it. And saying, "This isn't a defense" doesn't make a difference when you post stuff that's obviously defending them.
Would you expect otherwise of a bloody dictatorship?
You're right. I guess I shouldn't expect for you to not take their side.
My reaction is rather "it's pointless to lay blame at the moment; besides I don't believe other countries would have behaved much differently, bar the censorship and suppression".
Yes, that's the damn point! Good lord.
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@boomzilla I'm not defending them. At the same time, I do not believe that China's actions have particularly made it worse for Italy and the rest of the world. China's actions are wrong because they are.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if this is common in other countries, but I am so tired of this fucking phrase:
out of an abundance of caution
I've started using it ironically.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if this is common in other countries, but I am so tired of this fucking phrase:
out of an abundance of caution
I've started using it ironically.
I approve this usage.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla I'm not defending them.
Your posts are.
At the same time, I do not believe that China's actions have particularly made it worse for Italy and the rest of the world. China's actions are wrong because they are.
Amazing.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
That's a potential fire hazard, though.
Huh?
Most restrooms only have one entrance/exit and no window. If the restroom door opens outwards, it becomes possible for someone to block it (either deliberately or accidentally by debris during fire/earthquake/whathaveyou), trapping people inside.
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I guess we'll see what Elon can do.
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@boomzilla this is the sort of punchable behaviour that causes you to be so insufferable. If I say I'm not defending them then so it is. Now, how do you think China would have realistically prevented the illness from escaping the country? Do you think any other country would have taken it seriously at the beginning? With no or little epidemiological data and with lack of information about virulence, ease of transmission etc. I doubt even the most transparent country in the world would have prevented the pandemic from happening. I mean, with all the data we have now there are countries underestimating the illness today. Yours (and mine) included.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla this is the sort of punchable behaviour that causes you to be so insufferable. If I say I'm not defending them then so it is. Now, how do you think China would have realistically prevented the illness from escaping the country? Do you think any other country would have taken it seriously at the beginning? With no or little epidemiological data and with lack of information about virulence, ease of transmission etc. I doubt even the most transparent country in the world would have prevented the pandemic from happening.
This is the sort of shit that makes people think you're an idiot. No, they probably couldn't have prevented it from ever getting out. But...do you think that not having direct flights between Rome and Wuhan could have slowed the spread in Italy? If you don't, then you must also not believe that things like social distancing could work.
Again, the problem isn't a lack of knowledge. It's covering up and lying about what you do know. The current situation could have been very different if people had slowed down travel and started stressing hygiene and social distancing earlier.
There's been so much talk about "flattening the curve," and here you are telling us exactly the opposite thing! Do you even realize that?
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla my local drinkery has automated lights. It's practically a certainty that the lights will switch off mid-piss, and you gotta do that weird dance with your head to get the thingy to sense movement.
LOL
First, I was like, why don't you use your hands...them I like, OH yeah, dude.
Office lights are motion also but they don't turn off until a long time of lack of motion. Only happens if I stay at work late.
Oh yeah! Another one from the same client and same expansion. The largest conference room has a projector for their continuing education stuff, biweekly all-staff meetings, etc. The same motion detecting lights were installed in there. Which gave the opposite issue in that you couldn't turn the lights off to make the projector have better contrast.
At work we actually have automatic lights which stay permanently on during certain periods of time.
The brilliant thing is that they do so starting at 7 PM rather than AM. We discovered it when we were shutting the office rather late in the evening and noticed that there was still light coming from under the restroom door...
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Also, this reminds me that the original timing of the automatic lights was incredibly stupid.
We have just 2 toilets in the space where I'm at and those are completely closed stalls (3 brick walls and a door). Each one has its own automatic light.
The electrician who installed the light in the left one must have not bothered to test it at all. You entered, you locked the door, turned around and CLICK - no more light. Wonderful.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla this is the sort of punchable behaviour that causes you to be so insufferable. If I say I'm not defending them then so it is. Now, how do you think China would have realistically prevented the illness from escaping the country? Do you think any other country would have taken it seriously at the beginning? With no or little epidemiological data and with lack of information about virulence, ease of transmission etc. I doubt even the most transparent country in the world would have prevented the pandemic from happening.
This is the sort of shit that makes people think you're an idiot. No, they probably couldn't have prevented it from ever getting out. But...do you think that not having direct flights between Rome and Wuhan could have slowed the spread in Italy? If you don't, then you must also not believe that things like social distancing could work.
The illness isn't beyond control in Lazio (Rome's region), it's actually quite contained. It isn't in Tuscany either (home to the largest Chinese community in Europe). Apparently, according to DNA analysis, the particular strand of SARS-CoV-2 that is present in Italy seems to have been spread by a German, and the first serious case was an Italian Unilever manager who met a friend who had been to Wuhan previously (a-ha!) but was later found to be negative (huh?). Italy's patient zero was never found. The data in our possession points to the spread being due to intra-EU travel.
Again, the problem isn't a lack of knowledge. It's covering up and lying about what you do know. The current situation could have been very different if people had slowed down travel and started stressing hygiene and social distancing earlier.
That is true, but it should have been a worldwide effort. Italy was actually one of the first European countries to ban travel to and from China. In fact our ban was ineffectual as you could still reach China in many other ways (via Dubai, via Paris, etc.).
There's been so much talk about "flattening the curve," and here you are telling us exactly the opposite thing! Do you even realize that?
Am I? Really? I'm the first to say that the US should now lock the country down in some way, maybe stopping interstate travel and at least observing local quarantine in the major hotbeds. I dunno what can be done in a federation like the US really.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Am I? Really?
Yes.
I'm the first to say that the US should now lock the country down in some way, maybe stopping interstate travel and at least observing local quarantine in the major hotbeds. I dunno what can be done in a federation like the US really.
Except then you turn around and say that if China had been up front about this a month earlier it would have made no difference. So I really can't square your other statements like this with you saying that China's behavior was no big deal.
BTW, most interstate travel seems to have ceased and most interactions, too.
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@boomzilla China's suppression, I believe, was not a way to ignore the disease (because China's response was then extremely swift and hard) but rather it was a way to keep things quiet to protect the economy and to avoid public disturbances. Even if they had not suppressed those people from talking about it I suspect nobody would have taken things seriously until the beginning of January anyway, and at that point the virus was out of the country.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla China's suppression, I believe, was not a way to ignore the disease (because China's response was then extremely swift and hard) but rather it was a way to keep things quiet to protect the economy and to avoid public disturbances. Even if they had not suppressed those people from talking about it I suspect nobody would have taken things seriously until the beginning of January anyway, and at that point the virus was out of the country.
Un-fucking-believable. You really can't see the contradiction between this and your other suggestions about taking the virus seriously?
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@boomzilla so where's their motive? First you ignore it then you announce the strictest lockdown for decades for 40 million people. It just doesn't make sense.
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@admiral_p said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla so where's their motive? First you ignore it then you announce the strictest lockdown for decades for 40 million people. It just doesn't make sense.
Godddamned, this is retarded even for you. Their motive was initially to not be embarrassed and / or to have countries put embargoes on them.
Eventually they realized that the problem wouldn't go away if they ignored it and tried to pretend it wouldn't exist. At that point their brutal nature asserted itself, and yeah, that was also effective at reducing spread.
The only thing that doesn't make sense here is why you're so hell bent on defending them.
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@boomzilla because I don't believe this shit would have turned out differently anywhere else in the world. In other countries the "inefficiency" would have been elsewhere (slow response, weak measures, what have you: bear in mind that closing the border to China is a big deal for local businesses too, maybe even more so if you lack a decent supply chain). In practical terms, that is. One week after the lockdown in Wuhan, the whole of Europe was still trading with China.
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And to reinject some history here. This isn't Chinsa's first rodeo in re cover-ups about outbreaks.
I believe this is at least the third incident (SARS, H1N1, and now COVID-19).The middle east maybe a hotbed of military style terrorism, but China is shaping up to be the hotbed of biological terrorism (sic).
#BloomCam
