WTF Bites
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VMWare Workstation
Sometimes when I'm trying to drag and drop files from the guest to the host
That... works? How?
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There's lies, damned lies and
statisticsshitty plots. The emotional rollercoaster is real with this one: it goes from "Whoa ... it's really fast, like a few milliseconds - how do they do that?" to "Wait. No. Really slow. Seconds. Why did they even publish this?" in milliseconds (* 1e3 if you don't immediately pay attention to the axes).
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@cvi this part didn’t get me, I’m kind of used to plots having a multiplier (
* 10^3) next to it. What got me a few times is what Matplotlib does: it puts an offset next to the axis. Like, your example is already a bit deceiving because it goes from 3.4 to 4.4 instead of starting at 0, but Matplotlib sometimes labels that as 0 to 1 and adds an +3.4 offset to the axis somewhere.
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@error_bot xkcd regressions
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xkcd said in https://xkcd.com/1725/ :
Linear Regression
(via https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?search=regressions&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1)
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@error_bot Not the one I was thinking of but it'll do
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If they continue to call their file something.xml. But "XML document" means next to nothing. Technically, everything stored in XML is a "document" so any/all the other programs should use that suffix, too.
Document as in "text document" as in "the thing you open with Microsoft Word".
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VMWare Workstation
Sometimes when I'm trying to drag and drop files from the guest to the host
That... works? How?
I guess the same way is in VirtualBox. If you install the VirtualBox Guest Additions on the guest you can enable shared clipboard and drag'n'drop in the machine settings, either one-way or bidirectional Very useful.
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@Atazhaia I knew about shared clipboard but didn’t know drag and drop works. Nice touch.
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@cvi I just stumbled across this same axis-offset nonsense yesterday when Python's matplotlib decided this was a good way to display my axis, but with an additive offset instead of multiplicative. The best part was it did it for one subplot, but not the other, despite the values in both having the exact same order of magnitude.
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I guess the same way is in VirtualBox. If you install the VirtualBox Guest Additions on the guest you can enable shared clipboard and drag'n'drop in the machine settings, either one-way or bidirectional Very useful.
Does it work on hosts/guests now also? had this for quite a while, I think.
I'm still on VBox 5.x, because last time I checked 6.x had screwed up 3D acceleration. For security raisins, I think, but still screwed up.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
Does it work on hosts/guests now also? had this for quite a while, I think.
Yeah, I've not had a problem with any Vbox version actually.
I'm still on VBox 5.x, because last time I checked 6.x had screwed up 3D acceleration. For security raisins, I think, but still screwed up.
They changed the default 3D "hardware" in 6.0. So you have to change the machine settings to use the new one and make sure the proper driver is installed in the guest methinks. The old one had a few issues in 6.0 from my brief poking at it.
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So you have to change the machine settings to use the new one and make sure the proper driver is installed
Uninstalled guest addons 5.x, upgraded host to 6.x, reconfigured, installed guest addons 6.x, "Something went wrong". I don't remember the exact STOP, but neither W7 nor W10 were inclined to start. Virtual Linux hardware
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
"smart" quotes
Fuck those things.
Fuck them straight back into the pits of Tartarus from which they were spawned.
Fuck them straight through the eye of Kronos and back into his fetid mind.
Then fuck the person who first though that automatically replacing quote marks with "SmArt QUoteS" was a good idea.
Fuck them straight to the planes of Hades.
Fuck them across the river Styx, using their body as your boat (but still tip Charon for the crossing because you're not here to be rude to him)
Fuck them straight up to Cerberus and offer them unto the beast as cock sock and play toy.
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this part didn’t get me, I’m kind of used to plots having a multiplier (* 10^3) next to it.
No, in general, having a multiplier is OK (and preferable to having 47 digit numbers). Choosing the unit of milliseconds (i.e., 10^-3 seconds) for your data and then ending up with a multiplier of 10^3 is fucking dumb, though.
but Matplotlib sometimes labels that as 0 to 1 and adds an +3.4 offset to the axis somewhere.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Word will by default replace all straight quotes with "smart" quotes and thus fuck up the XML file completely and make it unparsable in any XML tool.
They are not “smart” quotes. They are simply left and right quotes. That is OK. They look better. I also often use them exactly because they are not special characters, so if I want to write an
attribute="value with “quoted” part", it just works (sans compiler fucking up Unicode in source, but I don't compile with that compiler anymore).“Smart” quotes is the function that does the replacing. I tend to turn that off and type them myself as ◆, <, " and ◆, >, " (even in Windows; there is a utility for that).
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Fuck...
Come on, don't hold out on us, tell us how you really feel about those "smart" quotes
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
Does it work on hosts/guests now also? had this for quite a while, I think.
IIRC it's been working in Virtual box for at least a few major versions, and VMware back to some ancient version (that IIRC actually worked better in terms of letting the mouse go)
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Then fuck the person who first though that automatically replacing quote marks with "SmArt QUoteS" was a good idea.
In a word processor, where the most common 99% use case is to print it or output a PDF for human consumption, it makes perfect sense to automatically make it look nicer. It's annoying when copy pasted data has fancy unicode quotes and apostrophes instead of plain old ASCII, but the times when that matters are in the super minority.
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@hungrier Yeah, it comes back to Word being the worst program to open raw XML in, so it shouldn't register itself as a possible handler of
.xmlfiles.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wait... are you saying that women don't ask such questions, or it just so happened that the last one who asked was a man?
So far, no woman who has asked a question that has prompted me to confirm they want the answer has failed to notice, and heed, the warning implicit in the question "Are you sure you want to ask that?"
Men on the other hand seem to have a 50/50 shot at noticing the warning implied in that question, and those that do notice it seem rather inclined to believe that I am being overly dramatic by asking if they really want to know..... so disproportionately they will confirm that they really do want to ask the question they asked and so I will answer the question.
The fact that they almost universally find out that the correct answer to my question was "no" is no problem of mine. After all, I did warn them.
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That is OK. They look better.
It's not ok to piss all over my xml file to "make it look better", no.
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Then fuck the person who first though that automatically replacing quote marks with "SmArt QUoteS" was a good idea.
In a word processor, where the most common 99% use case is to print it or output a PDF for human consumption, it makes perfect sense to automatically make it look nicer. It's annoying when copy pasted data has fancy unicode quotes and apostrophes instead of plain old ASCII, but the times when that matters are in the super minority.
in a word prosessor, fine. that's cool, but all the other applications, webforms, and other things that try to be helpful..... fuck them.
I wouldn't even object in principle to how the Microsoft Office family of products handle "Smart Quotes" if they did the sensible thing and NEVER replace quotation marks with fancy quotes when the font they are entered in is a monospace font. Because then when I want to paste code into an email and put it into monospace font before I paste Outlook goes "ooh! this is monospace! that means it should be rendered as input! I won't replace quotes unless the user explicitly asks for it"
that would turn "Smart Quotes" from a plague unto the world, into "something actually useful"
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
There is absolutely no good reason they couldn't do one of the following:
I'm not an expert on how fiddly the current implementation is, but I think it's less fiddly and error prone than any of those ideas. And I think it's Different™ for pasting anyway; I just tried pasting some source code into Word and it kept the straight quotes. Of course YMMV depending on Word versions or other Office-ish apps.
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@hungrier Yeah, it comes back to Word being the worst program to open raw XML in, so it shouldn't register itself as a possible handler of
.xmlfiles.Word is a “word processor” (i.e. formatted text) not a “text editor” (i.e. plain text). Smart quotes make sense for the former and a brain dead for the latter kind of program.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Fuck...
Come on, don't hold out on us, tell us how you really feel about those "smart" quotes
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wandering around a huge warehouse?
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@Vixen It's actually possible that men to a greater degree are actually interested to know, whereas women are just being polite.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Fuck...
Come on, don't hold out on us, tell us how you really feel about those "smart" quotes
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wandering around a huge warehouse?
yeah, sure. we'll go with that.
/shrug
@Vixen It's actually possible that men to a greater degree are actually interested to know, whereas women are just being polite.
I mean, sure. that's a possibility. I try not to think of the why's of human behavior. The what's are hard enough to understand and/or predict.
well okay i try to think about the why's too. because it's too tempting to try to guess. I've just gotten used to being wrong an awfully lot of the time.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Fuck...
Come on, don't hold out on us, tell us how you really feel about those "smart" quotes
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wandering around a huge warehouse?
yeah, sure. we'll go with that.
/shrug
@Vixen It's actually possible that men to a greater degree are actually interested to know, whereas women are just being polite.
I mean, sure. that's a possibility. I try not to think of the why's of human behavior. The what's are hard enough to understand and/or predict.
well okay i try to think about the why's too. because it's too tempting to try to guess. I've just gotten used to being wrong an awfully lot of the time.
So you foxen are as bad at reading humies as us trolls?
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Fuck...
Come on, don't hold out on us, tell us how you really feel about those "smart" quotes
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wandering around a huge warehouse?
yeah, sure. we'll go with that.
/shrug
@Vixen It's actually possible that men to a greater degree are actually interested to know, whereas women are just being polite.
I mean, sure. that's a possibility. I try not to think of the why's of human behavior. The what's are hard enough to understand and/or predict.
well okay i try to think about the why's too. because it's too tempting to try to guess. I've just gotten used to being wrong an awfully lot of the time.
So you foxen are as bad at reading humies as us trolls?
the woods are simple. you see a thing it's either:
- Something to Eat
- Something to Flee
- Something to Fuck
- Something to Play with.
Humans and Trolls add like a billion other options.... It's a bit overwhelming.
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@anonymous234 said in WTF Bites:
If they continue to call their file something.xml. But "XML document" means next to nothing. Technically, everything stored in XML is a "document" so any/all the other programs should use that suffix, too.
Document as in "text document" as in "the thing you open with Microsoft Word".
Why should the "thing you open with MS Word" not have a type (however that is defined) of "msword"? Or even "text", if you think it's a "text document"?
People with this level of understanding are not well served by putting stuff like "XML" or "ZIP" in a file type they have to deal with—and neither is MS Word.
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@hungrier Yeah, it comes back to Word being the worst program to open raw XML in, so it shouldn't register itself as a possible handler of
.xmlfiles.Word is a “word processor” (i.e. formatted text)
I.e. it does to words what a food processor does to food.
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@hungrier Yeah, it comes back to Word being the worst program to open raw XML in, so it shouldn't register itself as a possible handler of
.xmlfiles.Word is a “word processor” (i.e. formatted text)
I.e. it does to words what food processor does to food.
oooooooh, that's how you make word salad.......
no wonder!
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VMWare Workstation
Sometimes when I'm trying to drag and drop files from the guest to the host
That... works? How?
I guess the same way is in VirtualBox. If you install the VirtualBox Guest Additions on the guest you can enable shared clipboard and
drag'n'drop in the machine settings, either one-way or bidirectional Very useful.then it crashes.At least, that's what VirtualBox does here (Win10 Host, Kubuntu 18.04 guest).
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
What would it gain you if it were? It wouldn't actually distinguish it from the dozens of other programs that also store documents with a completely different structure as XML, would it?
His point (as well as mine and I believe that of many others here) is that a glorified text editor such as Microsoft Word which, despite internally using one form of XML to save its own documents, has no idea of XML structure and/or valid XML characters in files which are not its own should not be registering itself to handle arbitrary files with .XML extension.
Fair enough, though that "file type registration" dumbfuckery is more a Windows problem than anything else. Ask the user when first opening a hitherto unknown file type, problem solved.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
Fuck...
Come on, don't hold out on us, tell us how you really feel about those "smart" quotes
Are you sure you want to know how I really feel about them? because the last man that asked be that question ended up looking like they had reenacted that scene from the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wandering around a huge warehouse?
yeah, sure. we'll go with that.
/shrug
@Vixen It's actually possible that men to a greater degree are actually interested to know, whereas women are just being polite.
I mean, sure. that's a possibility. I try not to think of the why's of human behavior. The what's are hard enough to understand and/or predict.
well okay i try to think about the why's too. because it's too tempting to try to guess. I've just gotten used to being wrong an awfully lot of the time.
So you foxen are as bad at reading humies as us trolls?
the woods are simple. you see a thing it's either:
- Something to Eat
- Something to Flee
- Something to Fuck
- Something to Play with.
Humans and Trolls add like a billion other options.... It's a bit overwhelming.
Unfortunately, where I recently went into the woods, only one and a half of those were true.
Those cows just kinda... Wandered away before I could do anything...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
only one and a half of those were true.
I really, really do NOT want to know which ones.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Those cows just kinda... Wandered away before I could do anything...
clearly they decided that you were something to flee, but felt it would be unwise to run when you hadn't made an overt aggressive move yet.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
only one and a half of those were true.
I really, really do NOT want to know which ones.
see now that's the opposite reaction I had.......
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@LaoC Are you nitpicking because I said "text document" instead of "Microsoft's specific encoding of a page-based rich-text word processing document"? Because I used "xml" in the example extension? Or are you saying that file types don't exist independently of the application they are opened with?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
only one and a half of those were true.
I really, really do NOT want to know which ones.
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@levicki said in WTF Bites:
"smart" quotes
Fuck those things.
Fuck them straight back into the pits of Tartarus from which they were spawned.
Fuck them straight through the eye of Kronos and back into his fetid mind.
Then fuck the person who first though that automatically replacing quote marks with "SmArt QUoteS" was a good idea.
Fuck them straight to the planes of Hades.
Fuck them across the river Styx, using their body as your boat (but still tip Charon for the crossing because you're not here to be rude to him)
Fuck them straight up to Cerberus and offer them unto the beast as cock sock and play toy.
You almost made it to California...
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@Vixen You must really hate correct typesetting.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
@Vixen You must really hate correct typesetting.
Correctness is in the eye of the holdbeyer.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
@Vixen You must really hate correct typesetting.
Correctness is in the eye of the holdbeyer.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
@Vixen You must really hate correct typesetting.
typesetting smypesetting. i hate text editors that think they know beeter than me what ah meen to Type!
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@Vixen I'm not aware of any text editors that do that.
You may be confusing word processors for text editors, though.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
@Vixen I'm not aware of any text editors that do that.
You may be confusing word processors for text editors, though.
they edit text, yes? they must be text editors then.
if they want to do more things that's their prerogative, but if they edit text they're text editors.
/me waves cane around and shouts at @pie_flavor to get off her lawn!
