How do I Windows?
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So I successfully ate the chocolate yesterday when the Windows 10 image didn't work right away after being copied to a USB stick. Turns out Microsoft hasn't figured out how to provide images that work on USB sticks for the people who don't have Windows to start with. I needed the third-party
woeusb
binary to get a working stick.Now it says it's preparing the system so I guess I'm free to go hunt more chocolate in the kitchen. Thanks again for the prompt help in this unpleasant task.
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@gleemonk said in How do I Windows?:
Windows 10 image didn't work right away after being copied to a USB stick.
....Like, the only real requirements (if you have a PC younger than five years aka UEFI compatible) is a FAT32-formatted flash drive, and extract the ISO to the drive.
But hey, if you got a whole tool to do that for you, props....
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I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT!
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@gleemonk said in How do I Windows?:
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT!
TMYK.
'course, it's different if you don't have a EFI-capable machine, but it's rather difficult to find one that's not these days that does what you need in modern times.
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I can't help but giggle at the SO foot-shooting that happened here, combined with WTDWTF derailment.
Everyone got so stuck in the weeds getting the ISO download that the more prevalent question was basically ignored:
@gleemonk said in How do I Windows?:
How can I download an image to put on a USB stick?
I really wonder if everyone thought @gleemonk was going to literally burn a DVD for this purpose...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
I can't help but giggle at the SO foot-shooting that happened here, combined with WTDWTF derailment.
Everyone got so stuck in the weeds getting the ISO download that the more prevalent question was basically ignored:
@gleemonk said in How do I Windows?:
How can I download an image to put on a USB stick?
He asked how to download the image. That's what we told him. He even mentioned later in the same post copying it onto the stick.
Surely Microsoft offers boot images to copy on a stick these days
I don't know which weeds you think we got stuck in?
@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
I really wonder if everyone thought @gleemonk was going to literally burn a DVD for this purpose...
Why would we? He said he was going to make a USB stick.
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@loopback0 said in How do I Windows?:
Why would we? He said he was going to make a USB stick.
Nobody said anything about that.
@loopback0 said in How do I Windows?:
I don't know which weeds you think we got stuck in?
The ones the snare around the toes if you stand still too long.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
The ones th
eat snare around the toes if you stand still too long.Had to do a double take before I could understand what you were saying.
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@Zecc said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
The ones th
eat snare around the toes if you stand still too long.Had to do a double take before I could understand what you were saying.
I love autocorrect.
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@gleemonk said in How do I Windows?:
images that work on USB sticks for the people who don't have Windows to start with
IME that's the case with any ISO image, Windows or not. I've always had to use Rufus to make bootable USB sticks from ISOs
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@loopback0 I'm used to downloading boot images that work as-is. When I say copy, I mean copy the image, not copy the files inside the image. It feels wrong to me to have a process that copies individual files. So much can go wrong.
@Tsaukpaetra Ah thanks I didn't know that was some sort if high-tech. Weird how that didn't catch on for Windows. It allows creating the image as part of the build process and it avoids all errors that could be introduced by a broken filesystem.
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@gleemonk said in How do I Windows?:
some sort if high-tech.
Yeah. I mean, technically Microsoft could also build the ISO images to be compatible for direct-writing to a USB stick, but obviously their target audience for such things isn't large enough to justify getting an intern to add the necessary flags to mkisofs (or whatever) to do it.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
Yeah. I mean, technically Microsoft could also build the ISO images to be compatible for direct-writing to a USB stick
They could just provide a tool that does it for you and works on more than Windows. Windows Media Creation Tool Core.
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@loopback0 said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
Yeah. I mean, technically Microsoft could also build the ISO images to be compatible for direct-writing to a USB stick
They could just provide a tool that does it for you and works on more than Windows. Windows Media Creation Tool Core.
(looks back in my amazon history)
Well crap. It's unavailable now...
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@dcon said in How do I Windows?:
@loopback0 said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
Yeah. I mean, technically Microsoft could also build the ISO images to be compatible for direct-writing to a USB stick
They could just provide a tool that does it for you and works on more than Windows. Windows Media Creation Tool Core.
(looks back in my amazon history)
Well crap. It's unavailable now...
Get the IODD ones instead: they're the same device but have a better firmware that lets you mount disk images as a virtual fixed disk (i.e. Hard drive) and removable disk (i.e. Flash drive).
Oh, and they also save the mount state, so if the computer reboots (which just so happens to power cycle the USB host hub) you're not scrambling to Re-select the desired disc.
I slapped a 2tb spinner in mine and it holds almost all of my tools I use for portable troubleshooting, including three Windows To Go workspaces.
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@Tsaukpaetra I bought my Zalman back in 2016. So far, no need to update...
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@dcon said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra I bought my Zalman back in 2016. So far, no need to update...
My needs transcended the simple requirement of "can present a virtual CD drive" when I encountered a computer that could recognize flash drives as bootable, but not USB hard drives or USB CD drives...
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@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
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@hungrier said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
I think that's called "Find your extra geeky friend who happens to have one."
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@hungrier said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
Hands up everyone who's made a custom thumbdrive with all your tools, including the instalation media for windows WP and Windows 7 (with all the patches slipstreamed in) and controlled the booting of them with a simple GRUB install?
Anyone else?
Anyone?
Bueller?
damn.... well it's not what I would call hard...... like really it's not.
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@Parody said in How do I Windows?:
@hungrier said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
I think that's called "Find your extra geeky friend who happens to have one."
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
windows WP
Is that a new version?
Short for "Windows Whistler Platinum"
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@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
@hungrier said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
Hands up everyone who's made a custom thumbdrive with all your tools, including the instalation media for windows WP and Windows 7 (with all the patches slipstreamed in) and controlled the booting of them with a simple GRUB install?
Anyone else?
Anyone?
Bueller?
damn.... well it's not what I would call hard...... like really it's not.
that's on FlashDrive3.rmd if memory serves.
I'm fucking creative with my names OK?!?!?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
Short for "Windows Whistler Platinum"
I was thinking "Windows WordPress" and then
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in How do I Windows?:
Short for "Windows Whistler Platinum"
I was thinking "Windows WordPress" and then
yes. that. it's a very new and exciting fan made release that reimplements the Windows Kernal as a Wordpress site!
it's very interesting and super secure!
it even gets auto updates correct.
.... well correct ish.....
..... well it doesn't do worse than windows updates does, that's for sure!
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@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
it doesn't do worse than windows updates does, that's for sure!
That would be a really amazing achievement
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
it doesn't do worse than windows updates does, that's for sure!
That would be a really amazing achievement
Not according to some people that frequent this place.
At least according to my observations.
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@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
Not according to some people that frequent this place.
They've obviously been brainwashed by Microsoft
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
Not according to some people that frequent this place.
They've obviously been brainwashed by Microsoft
I thought it was Apple who brainwashed them seeing as they hate on Microsoft so much.... or is it some sort of reverse psycology thing going on?
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@Vixen If you think that having to reboot a machine to apply an update is The Proper Way™, you've been drinking the Kool-Aid
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen If you think that having to reboot a machine to apply an update is The Proper Way™
No-one needs to reboot - Windows does it for you
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@loopback0 said in How do I Windows?:
No-one needs to reboot - Windows does it for you
Why don't you edit the registry and stop it from doing it. Don't blame Microsoft for you inability to change the settings in the perfectly fine GUI they provided
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen If you think that having to reboot a machine to apply an update is The Proper Way™, you've been drinking the Kool-Aid
if there's a change to the Kernal, you have a better approach to making sure the change is correctly loaded and that every running process knows about the change so that the system won't jump off into hyperspace at some point in the future because someone jumped into the changed section of code at an inopportune location?
there's a reason even under Linux, as perfect as it is, still requires a reboot to load changes to the Kernal. So why would Windows be any different?
now if you're going to argue that Windows puts too much into the Kernal so every update touches the Kernal and thus needs a reboot...... That I'd agree with you on.
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@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
there's a reason even under Linux, as perfect as it is, still requires a reboot to load changes to the Kernal.
Then how do you explain ksplice?
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@Zecc said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
Kernal [...]
Kernal [...]
Kernal [...] Kernal?
Yes. That's how it's spelled, no?
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@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
@Zecc said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
Kernal [...]
Kernal [...]
Kernal [...] Kernal?
Yes. That's how it's spelled, no?
I liked the one spelled JiffyDOS.
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@Atazhaia said in How do I Windows?:
@Parody said in How do I Windows?:
I liked the one spelled JiffyDOS.
I would prefer YiffyDOS.
You have my attention.
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@Vixen When I have sorted my new NAS that's what I should call the... fine images share.
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@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
@hungrier said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
Hands up everyone who's made a custom thumbdrive with all your tools, including the instalation media for windows WP and Windows 7 (with all the patches slipstreamed in) and controlled the booting of them with a simple GRUB install?
Anyone else?
Anyone?
Bueller?
damn.... well it's not what I would call hard...... like really it's not.
I too have investigated such a thing, but then remembered this:
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@JBert said in How do I Windows?:
@Vixen said in How do I Windows?:
@hungrier said in How do I Windows?:
@Tsaukpaetra It's too bad that these things can't be rented in any practical way. It's a nice thing to have, once in four years when you need it, but for me that doesn't justify the massive price increase over a plain old enclosure or even premade USB drive.
Hands up everyone who's made a custom thumbdrive with all your tools, including the instalation media for windows WP and Windows 7 (with all the patches slipstreamed in) and controlled the booting of them with a simple GRUB install?
Anyone else?
Anyone?
Bueller?
damn.... well it's not what I would call hard...... like really it's not.
I too have investigated such a thing, but then remembered this:
I was so fixated on what I could do, that i never stopped to think if i should do.
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@TimeBandit said in How do I Windows?:
@loopback0 said in How do I Windows?:
No-one needs to reboot - Windows does it for you
Why don't you edit the registry and stop it from doing it. Don't blame Microsoft for you inability to change the settings in the perfectly fine GUI they provided
I mean, yes, if you replace "GUI" with "documentation" then that's literally my bit right there.
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@jinpa said in How do I Windows?:
@JBert said in How do I Windows?:
Who'd have thought that anything that Munroe could be useful?
oooh! oooH! I KNOW THIS ONE!!!!
o/
HI!