Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...
-
No direct link because the nitwit deleted it.
-
@dkf said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth The best idea I heard last week was that Ireland should leave the EU as well and join the UK.
Presto, solved border problem!
That's one of two solutions. The other is NI dropping out of the UK.
Which is a total red line to the junior partner in the coalition that is the UK government. (They don't have any ministers, but without them the government will lose a confidence vote.) Indeed, it's one of the very few red lines that they have: the DUP categorically refuses to vote in favour of any solution that separates NI from the rest of the UK in any form. They are totally predictable in this too, as it is their party policy for pretty much as many years as the party has existed.
I still think that the government should have lost the confidence vote, because the parliament obviously didn’t have confidence in the negotiated deal.
Want a better deal? Vote for a prime minister that gets one (assuming you believe that’s possible).
Want the hard Brexit? You can just keep tagging along and wait, but why not vote for a PM that actually aims for it.
-
You have to admire the British parliament: You won't find anywhere else in the world where so many people try to saddle a dead horse and then try to win a race with it.
-
@PleegWat
Minting! Forgot that one ... so three fundamental federal things are foreign policy, defence, minting and printing money ...
-
@Luhmann And the snazzy uniforms?
-
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
You have to admire the British parliament: You won't find anywhere else in the world where so many people try to saddle a dead horse and then try to win a race with it.
The Venezuelan government may actually give them a run for their money in the race of beaten dead horses. Boring run, considering how slowly dead horses go around a track...
Yeah, never mind me, I'm tired, bored and full of fever so I may be even less coherent than my normal state.
-
@Gąska
As a negotiation party why would I want that? Next up I have to uphold a treaty with a third party that no longer plays by my or my negotiation partner's rules. Non negotiating partners are excluded.
-
@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat
Minting! Forgot that one ... so three fundamental federal things are foreign policy, defence, minting and printing money ...Well, the monetary union was arguably a bad idea (or rather, a badly executed one), as convenient as it is.
Ironically us Germans complained about that the most (or maybe it just got the most coverage here), although we are among those who chiefly benefit from it.
-
@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska
As a negotiation party why would I want that?If this was the only way to make any treaty with the EU, you would want that.
Next up I have to uphold a treaty with a third party that no longer plays by my or my negotiation partner's rules. Non negotiating partners are excluded.
There are two possibilities:
- Are your other partners as annoyed by them as you are? Then just kick the sucker - you should have no problem getting others on board.
- Do your other partners like them more than they like you? You're screwed anyway.
-
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
You have to admire the British parliament: You won't find anywhere else in the world where so many people try to saddle a dead horse and then try to win a race with it.
Socialism thread is
-
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Want a better deal? Vote for a prime minister that gets one (assuming you believe that’s possible).
The deal, or electing a competent enough PM?
-
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat
Minting! Forgot that one ... so three fundamental federal things are foreign policy, defence, minting and printing money ...Well, the monetary union was arguably a bad idea (or rather, a badly executed one), as convenient as it is.
Ironically us Germans complained about that the most (or maybe it just got the most coverage here), although we are among those who chiefly benefit from it.Imagine how bad Brexit would be if they were in Euro zone...
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Want a better deal? Vote for a prime minister that gets one (assuming you believe that’s possible).
The deal, or electing a competent enough PM?
The former, but either really.
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat
Minting! Forgot that one ... so three fundamental federal things are foreign policy, defence, minting and printing money ...Well, the monetary union was arguably a bad idea (or rather, a badly executed one), as convenient as it is.
Ironically us Germans complained about that the most (or maybe it just got the most coverage here), although we are among those who chiefly benefit from it.Imagine how bad Brexit would be if they were in Euro zone...
Not sure it would be that much worse. The introduction of the Euro went over pretty painlessly here, reversing would just be a matter of good planning. Oh... okay, I see.
-
@topspin also - would UK retain the right to mint euros or not? I'm pretty sure it would not. So now they have to change the national currency, and they have to do it immediately. I don't know what it would do to their economy, but I know it would be very, very bad. And it would bring down Euro itself too.
Remember that marks were being phased out over five to ten years (don't remember how long exactly, but it was long period). With no deal Brexit, they would have much, much shorter time to act.
-
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
good planning
It is a key defining principle of the current UK government's policy that anyone who can plan anything or consider the point of view of anyone outside their little coterie, well, such people are tremendously suspect and not to actually be listened to at all.
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
I know it would be very, very bad.
There's a fair chance it will be that anyway.
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Remember that marks were being phased out over five to ten years
Euh ... no. Currency literally changed at midnight. Old currencies stayed legal tender for at least 2 months but most countries switched over completely in less then a year. Old currency (in some countries only bank notes) can be turned in at the national banks as determined by the banks itself but any other party isn't obliged to accept them.
-
@Luhmann I stand corrected. Still, they've had much more time to prepare. Same with accession to EU.
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin also - would UK retain the right to mint euros or not? I'm pretty sure it would not. So now they have to change the national currency, and they have to do it immediately. I don't know what it would do to their economy, but I know it would be very, very bad. And it would bring down Euro itself too.
Remember that marks were being phased out over five to ten years (don't remember how long exactly, but it was long period). With no deal Brexit, they would have much, much shorter time to act.
I read during the Greek debt crisis that all Euro members must have emergency money on standby in case they are evicted from the Euro zone.
-
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin also - would UK retain the right to mint euros or not? I'm pretty sure it would not. So now they have to change the national currency, and they have to do it immediately. I don't know what it would do to their economy, but I know it would be very, very bad. And it would bring down Euro itself too.
Remember that marks were being phased out over five to ten years (don't remember how long exactly, but it was long period). With no deal Brexit, they would have much, much shorter time to act.
I read during the Greek debt crisis that all Euro members must have emergency money on standby in case they are evicted from the Euro zone.
I find that hard to believe (and hard to pull off).
But then, I read that during the Cold War we had replacement money prepared in the case of massive outside attack with counterfeits, so who knows.
-
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
But then, I read that during the Cold War we had replacement money prepared in the case of massive outside attack with counterfeits, so who knows.
Imagines the chaos as Russian bombers perform counterfeit money droppings
-
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth The best idea I heard last week was that Ireland should leave the EU as well and join the UK.
Presto, solved border problem!
That's one of two solutions. The other is NI dropping out of the UK.
I seem to remember a bit of trouble when that has been suggested in the past.
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Huh, I never thought of this. What a dick move on EU's part.
Not a dick move, more like what you get when you absolutely want the default status of a non-EU member without any deal.
You can be absolutely right in legal sense and still be a dick.
Yup, Considering a number of Chinese fashion brand (that my current company owns) have .fr domain, and a lot others have .io domain, I thought as long as the country TLD owner allows, anyone could register domain for that TLD.
They could just allow current domain holders at UK keep their domain.
-
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
The EU has only existed since November 1, 1993. I am not aware of any "no fly zone" for British aircraft prior to the existence of the EU. Why would there be one now?
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin also - would UK retain the right to mint euros or not? I'm pretty sure it would not.
The UK uses GBP ( £), not Euro. Why would they need to "mint Euros"?
-
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin also - would UK retain the right to mint euros or not? I'm pretty sure it would not.
The UK uses GBP ( £), not Euro. Why would they need to "mint Euros"?
The hypothetical refers to "if they were in the Euro zone", not "if they do a hard Brexit."
-
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
The EU has only existed since November 1, 1993. I am not aware of any "no fly zone" for British aircraft prior to the existence of the EU. Why would there be one now?
Because since UK's accession, the old treaties have been terminated. And EU looks like they have no intention of signing a new one.
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
The EU has only existed since November 1, 1993. I am not aware of any "no fly zone" for British aircraft prior to the existence of the EU. Why would there be one now?
Because since UK's accession, the old treaties have been terminated. And EU looks like they have no intention of signing a new one.
They will, once negotiations on those start. Which will be too late.
-
@topspin the negotiations started over a year ago.
-
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
-
And if anyone says, they've achieved fuck all up to now, meh, naaah, when the deadline looms, that's when you really get going. That's where all the fun lies!
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
The EU has only existed since November 1, 1993. I am not aware of any "no fly zone" for British aircraft prior to the existence of the EU. Why would there be one now?
Because since UK's accession, the old treaties have been terminated. And EU looks like they have no intention of signing a new one.
So, the EU is just being a dick about it.
-
Since this thread is already degenerated into discussion of all things Brexit, I'll just drop this here:
WhyTF is iframely embedding just the video? There's an actual text article behind the link.
-
@admiral_p
The EU absolutely wants to play hardball with the UK, that's why there hasn't been any movement toward a deal in 2 years.If the EU makes a good deal for the UK, they'll lose France or one of the other net payers who aren't reliant on the currency manipulation of the Euro for their exports (coughGermanycough), and then the whole thing comes undone, because ain't nobody supporting Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain's budgets after that.
-
@izzion coughapart from the fact that Germany has basically absolutely relied on currency manipulation because there is no way the other European economies can compete with Germany, suddenly gifted with a weaker currency, yet with controlled inflationcough the thing is that if the EU is (even just seen as) unreasonable, that will still give power and momentum to the Eurosceptics, which currently is mostly the populist right. They will take the UK as an example of a proud country that stood up to Europe and was unfairly punished for this. My idea is that the EU was doomed from the start anyway, and the Euro even more so, and it will all come down crashing hard sooner or later.
The only way such a large and diverse union (especially if we restrict the union to the Eurozone) can really work is if the stronger states prop up the weaker ones, just like within states, the stronger regions prop up the weaker ones (eg. West Germany and East Germany, Northern Italy and Southern Italy, etc.). But the union as it is cannot work, because the union is not tight enough, yet it cannot be tighter than it is, because the nation states are so wide apart.
-
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
At the moment, that is the second most popular option in the opinion polls. (Outright remaining in the EU is the most popular of all.)
-
@Gąska
Yes. ECU and later Euro where currencies linked to the national currencies long before there was even a decision on the notes to be used
-
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
The EU has only existed since November 1, 1993. I am not aware of any "no fly zone" for British aircraft prior to the existence of the EU. Why would there be one now?
Because since UK's accession, the old treaties have been terminated. And EU looks like they have no intention of signing a new one.
So, the EU is just being a dick about it.
Huh? There IS a negotiated deal on the table to avoid all the problems - the British Parliament rejected it and ordered the PM to re-negotiate.
Edit: The text to which the British PM initially agreed and which she defended in her own cabinet and parliament is even available online: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf
-
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin the negotiations started over a year ago.
And it's up to the UK to actually sign anything, if they ever decide what they want.
-
@Steve_The_Cynic How is that naturalisation going?
-
He just took the oral ranting test. Of course, since he is a WTDWTF regular, he passed with flying colors.
Next step is the arguing-with-a-uncooperative-civil-servent written test. This one isn't so easy, and many candidates have been driven insane while taking it.
-
@Zerosquare said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Next step is the arguing-with-a-uncooperative-civil-servent written test
I still don't get why they don't just join that one with the strike test ...
-
@Zerosquare said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
He just took the oral ranting test. Of course, since he is a WTDWTF regular, he passed with flying colors.
Next step is the arguing-with-a-uncooperative-civil-servent written test. This one isn't so easy, and many candidates have been driven insane while taking it.
You can take a classes for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gf957Qw7A
-
@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
I still don't get why they don't just join that one with the strike test ...
I'm not suppose to tell you this, but the strike test is a trap. If you show up, you failed it.
-
@dkf said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
At the moment, that is the second most popular option in the opinion polls. (Outright remaining in the EU is the most popular of all.)
Opinion polls count very little. The regular old geezer being interviewed will certainly say he wants no deal, but he doesn't really care. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. The referendum was silly. Still, remaining in the EU is not an option, therefore the entirety of the British political class will eventually scramble to get a deal approved, and they will spin it as "practically we're leaving on our terms".
-
@Khudzlin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic How is that naturalisation going?
The dossier has been fully registered with the préfecture for nearly 12 months according to the date on the letter which acknowledges that, with, of course, no sign of any further response. My (French) colleagues aren't surprised by that, and frankly, given all I've ever seen and heard about French bureaucrats, neither am I. The next step, at some unknown point in the future, will be to go to an actual interview, an "entretien d'intégration", to see if I know more about being French than actual native French people do. (From what I've heard about naturalisation processes in general, for ordinary (i.e. non-rich) schmucks like me, that part is much the same everywhere. Native-born citizens in most countries would absolutely fail any "know about your country" test that exists to torment would-be naturalised citizens.)
-
@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Remember that marks were being phased out over five to ten years
Euh ... no. Currency literally changed at midnight.
: Of 31 December 1998/1 January 1999.
Old currencies stayed legal tender for at least 2 months but most countries switched over completely in less then a year.
More : Three years and a bit — we got the actual money in our wallets on 1 January 2002. IIRC, in most countries the changeover was to be fully implemented in the following month or two months, but in practice it took about that many weeks rather than months for most people.
-
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Native-born citizens in most countries would absolutely fail any "know about your country" test that exists to torment would-be naturalised citizens.)
I'd be interested in the questions to see how badly I'd fail the test. Also, tell us the date when you have it, so we can say "merde" to you at the relevant time.
-
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The only way such a large and diverse union (especially if we restrict the union to the Eurozone) can really work is if the stronger states prop up the weaker ones, just like within states, the stronger regions prop up the weaker ones (eg. West Germany and East Germany, Northern Italy and Southern Italy, etc.). But the union as it is cannot work, because the union is not tight enough, yet it cannot be tighter than it is, because the nation states are so wide apart.
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.