Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
However, the OP contains the claim that these apps return with major updates, which I was still contesting.
Well, unfortunately Windows didn't want to update (as my journey shows), so I can't determine that at this time.
Hence why I said that an in-place reinstall can emulate a major update.
That's a thing you could do right now without disturbing anything.
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@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
However, the OP contains the claim that these apps return with major updates, which I was still contesting.
The OP for this thread makes no such claim. I did a fresh install because I could not install the 1803 upgrade through Windows Update, so I did a nuke and pave of the Windows drive.
I must be losing my marbles. Where did I see that?
Edit: Oh, here it is.
@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Guess what happened after the next major update? Yup, Windows dutifully reinstalled what I had uninstalled, reset settings, etc. At that point I had enough of that shit, so I gave up.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
here it is.
Not the OP, so yet another lie. Good to know.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
However, the OP contains the claim that these apps return with major updates, which I was still contesting.
Well, unfortunately Windows didn't want to update (as my journey shows), so I can't determine that at this time.
Hence why I said that an in-place reinstall can emulate a major update.
That's a thing you could do right now without disturbing anything.I really don't trust that at the moment, but... wait, it's in a VM, and I can snapshot the disks and revert if it breaks...
*ponders* Maybe I'll do it tomorrow. Today, I work on making a better Complaints Resolution interface for our (future) moderators...
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@Tsaukpaetra I eagerly await your incorrectness.
Just a reminder: Built ISO, opened via double click, setup.exe, keep all files and programs.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
I eagerly await your incorrectness.
Don't hold your breath, I said I may do it tomorrow. Maybe.
Edit: Or I can just Leroy Jenkins it and do it now, I'm technically at a stopping point...
Here we go! One last round!
Sure, let's get the latest and greatest!
3... 2.... 1....... GO!
And yet another new screen I haven't seen before! Sweet! Can I still access Task Manager et al here too?
Yes indeed! Also, fucking go away, Java! I only need you for one small thing, I don't need your updates!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
one small thing
Why isn't it reading the disc yet? It says 11% but the virtual drive has been almost completely idle...
Oh, maybe it's copying everything to the Windows.Old folder. Gotcha.
It's dead, Jim...
Still no disc activity, but you can see that a build has started on another VM as disk response times have become... delayed.
Throughout the whole thing, the installation disc wasn't barely accessed at all. :/ Whatever. If it reboots and complains that it can't find the disc (since it's a mounted ISO on a network share) I'm just going to say "fuck it". Also, a "few moments" is more like three minutes.
Oh, this time it's "Working on updates" instead of "Installing Windows". Gotcha.
You've been stuck at that 54 percent for a while now... You okay there, buddy?
Okay, there we go. The indicator must have simply gotten stuck. Half an hour later and it rebooted and jumped to 75 percent.
Moment of truth!
This again? Le sigh...
What are you even doing? I logged in, nothing you're doing after the user has logged in should be so mission critical as to break the PC if you happen to turn it off at that point...
eyyy, lo and behold, my user profile wasn't regenerated from scratch and therefore didn't reset my AppX apps-that-want-to-be-installed state. Will wonders never cease?
'course, if I log in a new user I fully expect all those unwanted Apps to appear on my shiny new profile because of course it would.
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@Tsaukpaetra Toldja they don't appear after a major update. And yes it monkeys with the appx folder, if you for instance changed any permissions before the reinstall it'd reset them.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra Toldja they don't appear after a major update. And yes it monkeys with the appx folder, if you for instance changed any permissions before the reinstall it'd reset them.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra Toldja they don't appear after a major update. And yes it monkeys with the appx folder, if you for instance changed any permissions before the reinstall it'd reset them.
This just proves they don't reappear if you are Tsaukpaetra running setup.exe from an iso on that particular date. If there's anything we've learned about windows 10, it's that everybody has a different version of it that works slightly differently. :P
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
So... will this include Windows 10 Pro for the Windows 10 Pro version that I currently have installed? Why bother making a dropdown with one option?
When i wanted to get a Win8 ISO for my then new 64bit PC, the ISO creator couldn't get a 64bit ISO because it was running on a 32bit OS.
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@marczellm said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
So... will this include Windows 10 Pro for the Windows 10 Pro version that I currently have installed? Why bother making a dropdown with one option?
When i wanted to get a Win8 ISO for my then new 64bit PC, the ISO creator couldn't get a 64bit ISO because it was running on a 32bit OS.
What I mean is, it should be multiarch by default. There's no reason for it not to have all the editions thanks to how WIM files works.
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@Tsaukpaetra there are clear business reasons for why 32-bit Windows and 64-bit Windows were made separate products.
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@Gurth Apparently not in any of the news sources I was using at the time! I had absolutely no idea, and of course I didn't think to Google 'why has a U2 album suddenly appeared in my iTunes', because I just assumed it was a drunk purchase...
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@pintsized What kind of intoxicated should one be to buy U2?
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pintsized What kind of intoxicated should one be to buy U2?
Anything more than a pint will do it I guess, judging by the username
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pintsized What kind of intoxicated should one be to buy U2?
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@stillwater They have a song with the lyrics:
"Girl you look so beautiful tonight in the city of blinding lights"
And I always wanted to add the line:
"In a city with normal illumination, you're a total dog woof woof"
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As I already had a Microsoft angry rant thread, let's continue to angrily rant about Microsoft in this one.
So, I reinstalled my work computer to be ready for an all-new workyear. Free from last year's droves of documents and piles of shitty apps hoisted onto me by central IT. As local IT is more sensible and completely fine with me doing my own clean Windows install and then adding a corporate IT key I did that. Once again I got the pile of shitty apps forced on me by Microsoft. Seven again, six games and a Dolby app.
But that's not what I am going to rant about. This time it's the of trying to use Outlook with a Gmail account, as my company uses the Google Suite. In Thunderbird the process is as follows: Add mail accound, enter credentials, webview opens to log into Google account and allow Thunderbird access to the mail, done.
In Outlook the process is as follows: Add mail accound, enter credentials, enter credentials again, and again, and again, then give up and click the I have problems! link. Read through page and see that Microsoft goes the route and apparently can't adapt whatever arcane methods Thunderbird uses, or even display a helpful message informing about their special needs way of adding a Gmail account. Apparently I need to log into the account in a browser, enable 2FA (if not enabled), then add a device password to use with Outlook. So a million extra steps to use a normal fucking Gmail account in their professional mail app, compared to Mozilla's free and open-source redheaded stepchild mail app that's near-forgotten by them. Microsoft aint about convenience for the customer anymore. Herpderp.
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@Atazhaia that feature is to "teach" you that Google Suite doesn't work.
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Did a look through my work account settings and I can enable Outlook to handle my mail if I enable the option to allow apps of lesser security to access the account, as I can't set app passwords. Oh, well. Thunderbird it is!
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@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Oh, well. Thunderbird it is!
So far, I've found TB "just works". And it can connect nicely to my google calendar. (haven't tried hooking it to my work's g-suite one - I just said fuckit there - and access that via Chrome)
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@dcon said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
So far, I've found TB "just works".
It gets quite awful when you try to use it with an Exchange calendaring system such as we're supposed to use at work. My colleagues and I deal with this by ignoring the Exchange calendar and using Google Calendar…
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@dkf said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@dcon said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
So far, I've found TB "just works".
It gets quite awful when you try to use it with an Exchange calendaring system such as we're supposed to use at work. My colleagues and I deal with this by ignoring the Exchange calendar and using Google Calendar…
Oh, Exchange backend... Yeah, then it's Outlook!
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@dcon said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
So far, I've found TB "just works".
I use it for my personal email, plain old IMAP, not GMail, not Exchange, no calendaring; yes, it works perfectly. Outlook at work, with Exchange, including calendaring and all the other features; it just works, too. But never the twain shall meet.
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@HardwareGeek said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@dcon said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
So far, I've found TB "just works".
I use it for my personal email, plain old IMAP, not GMail, not Exchange, no calendaring; yes, it works perfectly. Outlook at work, with Exchange, including calendaring and all the other features; it just works, too. But never the twain shall meet.
I use it on my main home machine with POP. My traveling laptops with IMAP, and I connect to my personal gmail (at home and work).
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@HardwareGeek said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
I use it for my personal email, plain old IMAP, not GMail, not Exchange, no calendaring
I connect it to Exchange for email only; that's fairly painless (except for our craptastic 2FA system) as there's a working IMAP connector installed.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
they would tie you to the stake before lighting the fire rather than lighting the fire after they tied you to the stake.
but that is the same
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@Atazhaia Couldn't you just use the Mail app for gmail?
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@Magus said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Atazhaia Couldn't you just use the Mail app for gmail?
This is funny because AFAIK it uses the same backend as Outlook. (Its mail-fetching process is called Microsoft Outlook Communications.) And it's quite painless to set it up for Gmail.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
they would tie you to the stake before lighting the fire rather than lighting the fire after they tied you to the stake.
but that is the same
That is more or less the point, duh.