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@mikehurley said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@mikehurley Not my problem if he doesn't deign to educate himself. "Democracy" is a type of citizen participation. "Republic" is a denotation for the organization of the government.
Two very different terms. Again, not my problem if the US education is too stupid to explain the difference.
Maybe this is an ESL thing, but I wouldn't say that "republic" implies any particular organization. I'd say it's a specific type of participation. As in, I don't participate in the day to day government. Instead I vote for a representative who does that day to day stuff for me.
When I hear "organization of the government" I think things like separation of powers, president vs. prime minister vs. having both, presence or lack of federalism, etc.
Agreed.
In common usage (ie not ):
Democracy = EITHER "I vote on <law> directly" OR "free (as opposed to totalitarian or autocratic) government"
Republic = "I vote for people who vote on <law>"
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@mikehurley said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@mikehurley Not my problem if he doesn't deign to educate himself. "Democracy" is a type of citizen participation. "Republic" is a denotation for the organization of the government.
Two very different terms. Again, not my problem if the US education is too stupid to explain the difference.
Maybe this is an ESL thing, but I wouldn't say that "republic" implies any particular organization. I'd say it's a specific type of participation. As in, I don't participate in the day to day government. Instead I vote for a representative who does that day to day stuff for me.
When I hear "organization of the government" I think things like separation of powers, president vs. prime minister vs. having both, presence or lack of federalism, etc.
No, republic is actually meant as a type of government, contrasted with monarchies. That's why this is so irritating: It's confusing a whole lot of terms and comparing apples to oranges.
Here's an example of a type of republic where merchants were the powerhouse and ordinary citizens largely powerless: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Venice
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@TimeBandit I just found what pushed him over the edge:
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
In Germany, anyone can vote regardless of imprisonment or not. This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
I agree, but I'm not sure which states if any have "banned from voting for life" laws for felons. I do know that many states will either reinstate the felon's right to vote after the end of their prison/probation term, or they allow felons to petition a court after a suitable amount of time and punishment has passed, to request that their right to vote be restored.
I also pointed out the hipocrisy: A judge actively falsifying votes to increase his own chances merely gets probation while those two were sentenced to several years.
Well, he admitted to falsifying signatures on a petition. That's not a vote; it's typically a legal requirement of getting X00 signatures in order to put something on a ballot to actually be voted on. I'm not sure how it would've related to his official title; I know elections are held periodically in some jurisdictions to retain judges in their official duties (if the voters predominantly vote not to retain the judge, the judge loses their job), but those are typically a shoo-in unless there's some kind of widespread effort to get a particular judge dismissed. I'm not aware of petitions being involved in these efforts, though. If you can dig up any info on what exactly the petition was for, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Note that the justification for these rules is to avoid wasting election time and money putting things on the ballot if they have very little support and no chance of passing. Falsifying signatures on the petition would thus have little chance of actually resulting in fraudulent election results, merely on something being on a ballot that really has no business being there and won't pass. Or, it could be a short-cut to avoid spending more time and money getting more signatures even when the adequate number of signatures could be found legitimately.
Of course, I do agree that falsifying signatures on a petition still isn't a good look for a judge.
Hell, one of them even only had a "probationary vote".
It's called a "provisional ballot", and it effectively means "I didn't bring proper proof of my eligibility to be allowed to vote, but I hereby certify that I'm (Name) and that I am eligible to vote in this specific election".
Provisional ballots are typically only counted if the number of provisional ballots is large enough and the margin in the vote close enough that the provisional ballots could mathematically swing the election one way or the other. Then, officials have to go through the provisional ballots one by one and determine which ones were truly cast by eligible voters. If they determine that a voter was ineligible (not a citizen, voted multiple times in multiple polling locations, etc.), then their ballot will not be counted and they may face charges for fraudulently voting. It is very much not a "well I don't know if I can vote or not, so I'll just cast a provisional ballot" situation.
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The court having some common sense
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No word on the future of ginger beer, alas:
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
No, republic is actually meant as a type of government, contrasted with monarchies.
By you. But sure, keep trying to be the language police on a foreign language. I'm sure this will turn out well for you!
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
No, republic is actually meant as a type of government, contrasted with monarchies.
By you. But sure, keep trying to be the language police on a foreign language. I'm sure this will turn out well for you!
In obvious contrast to you, I actually had to learn a bit about that stuff. And I'm not really interested in what you special-snowflake-guys are doing. You already tried to redefine a lot of stuff and as a result, you usually only muddle things not clear it up.
If your usage of a word is so broad as to become meaningless maybe it's you guys with the problem.
Again, a failure of education - you're ignorant of the actual meaning of words and thus you simply make things up. And then you try to pass off your ignorance as special.
Well, actually it is special just not in the way you like.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
No, republic is actually meant as a type of government, contrasted with monarchies.
By you. But sure, keep trying to be the language police on a foreign language. I'm sure this will turn out well for you!
In obvious contrast to you, I actually had to learn a bit about that stuff.
You have a very active imagination.
And I'm not really interested in what you special-snowflake-guys are doing. You already tried to redefine a lot of stuff and as a result, you usually only muddle things not clear it up.
No one but you believes this.
If your usage of a word is so broad as to become meaningless maybe it's you guys with the problem.
The irony here being that you were the guy arguing for the broader definition.
Again, a failure of education - you're ignorant of the actual meaning of words and thus you simply make things up. And then you try to pass off your ignorance as special.
Yes, yes, it's the whole rest of the world that has a shitty education and can't even keep his story straight about words (see the thing about broader definitions above), it's not your own personal failure.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Once upon a time, in the US you could be drafted into the Army before you reached voting age. Therefore, you could he asked to fight and kill for your country without any ability to vote for the politicians sending you off to war. We fixed that.
I don't see any difference with inmates, frankly. On the contrary; if inmates were a voting bloc maybe we'd have some sensible sentencing laws which is something that badly needs reformed in the US.
The idea that "criminals broke the social contract and therefore should no longer be able to participate in elections" assumes that laws and the enforcement of them are fair. Just like the idea that "men should able to be drafted into the Army before they reach voting age" assumes that politicians aren't heartless warhawks. In both cases, the assumption is wrong.
If you want something to not be a felony, that's something you can vote to fix without committing the felony. It's totally possible to write fair laws - why not elect people that will do that instead of breaking the unfair ones and landing yourself on the government's shit list?
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@boomzilla Can we please jeff this fight out of the news thread?
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Me: check out this article!
Friend (who is blind): Actually the thing about 3D printed corneas at the bottom would be good enough for me.
Me: Yeah, but wouldn't it be cooler to have robotic eyes?
Friend: Good point.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
Yeah, but wouldn't it be cooler to have robotic eyes?
Add laser shooting and we have a deal
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
Me: check out this article!
Friend (who is blind): Actually the thing about 3D printed corneas at the bottom would be good enough for me.
Me: Yeah, but wouldn't it be cooler to have robotic eyes?
Friend: Good point.Those always come with a price. Better to just keep huffing the spice and using your prescience to avoid tripping over the rug.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
Me: check out this article!
Friend (who is blind):Actually the thing about 3D printed corneas at the bottom would be good enough for me.
Me: Yeah, but wouldn't it be cooler to have robotic eyes?
Friend: Good point.
Dude, are you pointing at your screen? I don't see.(assistive technology )
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@Zecc said in In other news today...:
(assistive technology )
It's a lot less funny when you actually have to live with it. That's exactly how my friend read the article after I texted the link to her.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
It's a lot less funny when you actually have to live with it.
We have a blind teacher at the college.
I'm amazed at how he can use a computer without seeing the screen.He showed me how he's doing it with a screen reader, but I don't think I could manage it.
On the other hand, when I code a web interface, I always take account of the fact that a blind person will use it.
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@TimeBandit Does your teacher crank up the speed on the screen reader too?
Becausewhenmyfriend isreadingstuff, withoutherheadphones, italwayssounds likethis.
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@masonwheeler Not sure if it's the default speed, but it was WAY too fast for me to follow it
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@masonwheeler I guess they get bored by listening to slow-ass shit?
Just like I get annoyed when a "news" or "tutorial" site consists of just a video without transcription. Ain't nobody got time for this.
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Check your privileges
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Just for the title...
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Windows has a customer commitment to ... proactively update impacted devices
is that what it's called now?
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
Those always come with a price.
Wouldn't that depend on the size of deductable you've got for medical devices?
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
We have a blind teacher at the college.
Our head of department is blind. It most certainly hasn't stopped him from doing well at research (and no, his field of research isn't HCI)…
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@masonwheeler I guess they get bored by listening to slow-ass shit?
Just like I get annoyed when a "news" or "tutorial" site consists of just a video without transcription. Ain't nobody got time for this.I heard once that many blind people have their text-to-speech set to some monotonous 90s-era voice, set to twice the maximum speed, and because it is so consistent and with training they can follow that perfectly.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
In Germany, anyone can vote regardless of imprisonment or not. This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
But can you be elected president if you're in a jail in germany? (we have someone leading the polls from inside the jail here, that's democracy for you)
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
In Germany, anyone can vote regardless of imprisonment or not. This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
But can you be elected president if you're in a jail in germany? (we have someone leading the polls from inside the jail here, that's democracy for you)
You can't, because the president's only job is to shake hands with other
jackassespresidents.And sign laws, but not much else.
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
set to twice the maximum speed
Then the maximum speed obviously isn't the maximum speed.
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@heterodox said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
set to twice the maximum speed
Then the maximum speed obviously isn't the maximum speed.
Or it's 0
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
In Germany, anyone can vote regardless of imprisonment or not. This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
But can you be elected president if you're in a jail in germany? (we have someone leading the polls from inside the jail here, that's democracy for you)
No, while you're in jail (and for five years afterwards) you may not hold an elected, political position (and, as a logical extension, you also may not run for any such positions).
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This one just gets odder the further you read.
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@Karla Yeah but a simpler drip coffee maker wouldn't have had an "error message" in the first place.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
@Karla Yeah but a simpler drip coffee maker wouldn't have had an "error message" in the first place.
We have one that once read "out of memory". I've got a picture of this I can't find right now, but maybe I've posted it before, long ago.
Makes you wonder what the touchscreen UI could possibly be doing that it needs dynamic memory and they don't know a fixed upper bound beforehand.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
@Karla Yeah but a simpler drip coffee maker wouldn't have had an "error message" in the first place.
do I know? I've only recently started drinking coffee...I needed a lesson to use the Keurig.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
That's like saying that the colour orange is not like the sound of a violin.
It's not, yellow is a lot closer.
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@Karla said in In other news today...:
I needed a lesson to use the Keurig.
I can give you one-on-one, personal lessons
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
And I'm not really interested in what you special-snowflake-guys are doing.
Clearly, which is why you're arguing in the fucking news thread.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
No, republic is actually meant as a type of government, contrasted with monarchies.
By you. But sure, keep trying to be the language police on a foreign language. I'm sure this will turn out well for you!
Republic has always meant "not a monarchy", in every language. Don't be silly.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@Karla said in In other news today...:
I needed a lesson to use the Keurig.
I can give you one-on-one, personal lessons
http://www.oocities.org/tokyo/blossom/9377/Pikachu_Photos/Pikachu/Pikachu2.jpg
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