This scrollbar makes me physically sick
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Doesn't matter what this site is about. What matters is the custom scrolling. At first I thought some miner script or a bug in Ubuntu that steals all CPU and makes scrolling take forever due to lags, but no - it all runs very smoothly (tested with dev tools profiler). It's just that someone had this crazy idea to ignore system settings completely, make scrolling veeery slow, and dial up inertia to the max so it keeps scrolling for 3 more seconds after you're done. It literally made me shudder.
For bonus fun, try scrolling with middle click.
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Seriously though who thought that was a good idea?
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@gąska Seems to work normally for me? Chrome on Windows of some sort, possibly 7?
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@gordonjcp tested on Linux, with both Firefox and Chromium. Both have about 3 second delay between when I stop scrolling and when it stops scrolling.
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God Almighty.
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Same for me on Chrome & Firefox on MacOS, and Chrome on Win 10 too.
The delay seems more variable on Windows though - if you scroll a little way the delay seems shorter, longer if you scroll further. 4 scrolls on the mouse wheel, and it kept moving for nearly 6 seconds.
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UWAGA!
@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@gordonjcp tested on Linux, with both Firefox and Chromium. Both have about 3 second delay between when I stop scrolling and when it stops scrolling.
It's about 2 seconds here on Linux in Chrome.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Doesn't matter what this site is about.
I object! Letting chrome translate it is hilarious (as usual)
Also ... https://www.fastlan.pl/ since they made the original site
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@luhmann said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Also ... https://www.fastlan.pl/ since they made the original site
It's funny because they have custom scrollbar too, but not this insane behavior.
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I'm going to send those Fastlan guys an email asking what the fuck is wrong with them.
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@gąska I'll try that when I get back to a real computer.
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Maybe that's clever sale tactics?
"Is scrolling websites slow on your computer? You can buy a custom, lightning-fast one from us!"
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Things to try:
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Press PgDn / PgUp
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Tap an arrow key. Then hold it just enough to trigger keyboard repeat.
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Press Home / End
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Scroll all the way up and press End. Then while the page is slowly scrolling down, press the "go to top" icon on the bottom right of the screen.
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Bonus WTF: If you uncheck
overflow-y: hidden;in dev tools, the regular scroll bar appears and worksjust finejust like the fake one.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
What matters is the custom scrolling.
"Let's create our own scrollbar" should be groups fur summary execution.
Like, I will straight up stop ever arguing for gun control or 2A reform if they put in that one amendment into the constitution.
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It's not only the scroll mechanics that make you want to puke, different layers/elements have different scrolling speeds and inertia. I don't suffer from motion sickness or anything like that, but this site makes me nauseaus.
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Ugh. The worst is that middle section where there is (from left to right)
- an icon that maintains a fixed position on screen as you scroll
- a slow-scrolling column
- a fast scrolling column
This is definitely going in my folder of bad examples for my front-end design class.
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@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
- an icon that maintains a fixed position on screen as you scroll
Somewhat fixed, but not really
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@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
- an icon that maintains a fixed position on screen as you scroll
Somewhat fixed, but not really
And that makes it even worse. You have 3 different scroll speeds as your eyes move across that section of the page.
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@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
- an icon that maintains a fixed position on screen as you scroll
Somewhat fixed, but not really
And that makes it even worse. You have 3 different scroll speeds as your eyes move across that section of the page.
Interestingly, this kind of moving view is not a new thing. I've seen it many times, for example as a movie in a game, you know, horizon, city line, hero in front. It was done countless times, with good effects, but here they somehow fucked it so badly that it makes users physically ill.
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@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
- an icon that maintains a fixed position on screen as you scroll
Somewhat fixed, but not really
And that makes it even worse. You have 3 different scroll speeds as your eyes move across that section of the page.
Interestingly, this kind of moving view is not a new thing. I've seen it many times, for example as a movie in a game, you know, horizon, city line, hero in front. It was done countless times, with good effects, but here they somehow fucked it so badly that it makes users physically ill.
Simulating motion is one thing--there, at least, the relative motion makes sense (since we're used to that with various distances and parallax).
Here, there's no rational relationship between the positions and their speeds. It causes dissonance in our brains, just like motion sickness
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Also. What the fuck is this random blue button floating all over the screen, detached from any structural element?
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@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
- an icon that maintains a fixed position on screen as you scroll
Somewhat fixed, but not really
And that makes it even worse. You have 3 different scroll speeds as your eyes move across that section of the page.
Interestingly, this kind of moving view is not a new thing. I've seen it many times, for example as a movie in a game, you know, horizon, city line, hero in front. It was done countless times, with good effects, but here they somehow fucked it so badly that it makes users physically ill.
Simulating motion is one thing--there, at least, the relative motion makes sense (since we're used to that with various distances and parallax).
Here, there's no rational relationship between the positions and their speeds. It causes dissonance in our brains, just like motion sickness
Yeah, but I'm talking about movies that look quite similar in that regard - 'planes' move at speeds that seem wrong from our experience. When done properly it just looks cool (or cartoony, artsy or something).
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@mrl said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
It's not only the scroll mechanics that make you want to puke, different layers/elements have different scrolling speeds and inertia.
..........
Okay, I need to ask for another amendment.
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this scrolling made me say UWAGA!
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@benjamin-hall said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Simulating motion is one thing--there, at least, the relative motion makes sense (since we're used to that with various distances and parallax).
Parallax scrolling. In a video game, sure, it works fine (usually).
- it's horizontal scrolling. That's different brain juice than vertical scrolling.
- The background in a video game is usually explicitly designed to be a background. As in fade into the background and not draw attention to itself. Your mind just kinda registers the movement effect is happening, but isn't really paying any attention to the background layer. But a site like this DRAWS EXPLICIT ATTENTION TO THE BOSS' NEPHEW'S PHOTOSHOP WORK LOOK AT IT. Your brain tries to focus on what is effectively two foregrounds at once.
- In a video game, you're spending most of your time on a pseudo-fixed point. The character. Sure Banger Dude may move left and right a bit, and yes your eyes will flicker around to see enemies / platforms, etc. But in general, you're looking at a fixed, concentrated area. So even though there's scrolling, you are "grounded" at a specific point. But a webpage-- your meant to be reading left to right, parsing images, taking in text and context cues. So not only is the background scrolling AND the foreground scrolling, but you are effectively creating ANOTHER pseudo-plane of scrolling as you look around and try to take in the whole page. You expect the text to be still (or at least scrolling in conjunction with expected motions, ie: scrolling). And since it is meant to be "still", and you are sitting still, then your brain expects your surroundings to be still. Your periphery sees your desk / office / walls as still. But now there's a scrolling element on the page which conflicts with the rest of the sensory input that says "nope! you are moving".
For #3, it's the same reason some people get carsick if they try to read while riding in a car.
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@lorne-kates Yup. Exactly. When senses disagree, the brain interprets that as "something I ate is screwy, EJECT!" and
is the result.
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Damn,
ed.
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Works perfectly in Vivaldi. Looks quite professional for what is basically a guy in his flat.
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By the way:
@lorne-kates said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:it's horizontal scrolling. That's different brain juice than vertical scrolling.
Paralllax scrolling doesn't have to be horizontal. Vertical shooter games used it too:
https://youtu.be/fGGrd3H6hU0?t=226That being said, I 100% agree with the rest of your post.
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@gordonjcp said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@gąska Seems to work normally for me? Chrome on Windows of some sort, possibly 7?
Chrome 67.0.3396.99 (incognito window) on Win7:
Dragging the scrollbar works normally. Scrolling with the mouse wheel seems a little slow, maybe, and definitely has too much inertia. But only maybe a second, second-and-a-half, not three seconds. Middle-click only scrolls horizontally, not vertically.
IE 11.0.numbers (InPrivate window) on Win7:
Dragging the scrollbar works normally. Scrolling with the wheel has about three seconds of inertia. Middle-click is completely borked.
Chrome 67.0.numbers (incognito window) on Android 6:
Seems reasonably sane, except for barely-noticeable parallax-scrolling of random graphic elements. Why?
Edit: I didn't notice the parallax scrolling on desktop, and to
to go back and look again.
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@gąska Works fine on my machine.
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@loopback0 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
and Chrome on Win 10 too.
Quizzical_dog.png
Did they fix the site in the last 4 hours? Are you victims of a A/B test?
Works for me.
EDIT: works ok in Edge too, but the parallax scrolling effect is more pronounced. I don't have any other browsers installed on this laptop to try.
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@blakeyrat this is what I'm seeing on chrome: shit moves really slowly and a bunch of divs moving without rhyme or reason. I think this is working as intended however the road to this piece of shit is paved with bad intentions.
FWIW firefox has some pretty nasty stuttering and lag which makes things worse (the video makes it look better)
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@bb36e I'm not calling people liars, I'm just saying that doesn't happen on my computer. That fake yellow scrollbar never even appears. The site just uses the normal Chrome scrollbar.
I don't have any extensions installed except on that mutes tab audio.
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@blakeyrat spooky. maybe you have to resize your browser window or something
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@blakeyrat said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
That fake yellow scrollbar never even appears.
Then it looks like it's even more broken for you than for me. Because it was definitely the developer's intent for the yellow scrollbar to appear.
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@bb36e said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@blakeyrat spooky. maybe you have to resize your browser window or something
Is it 3 px too small?
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@luhmann said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Also ... https://www.fastlan.pl/ since they made the original site
It's funny because they have custom scrollbar too, but not this insane behavior.
The scrollbar is called Nicescroll
Looks like the site just turned the inertia up to 11.
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@anonymous234 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Nicescroll
jankyscroll.js: A Javascript scrolling plugin that doesn't need to exist.
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For too long, content providers have allowed ungrateful users to scroll wherever they please. With jankyscroll, you can assert your rightful dominance as a Provider of Value, and stop those thankless users from flippantly scrolling all over your site.
That almost sounds like actual ISP logic.
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@bb36e: the intro sounds so much like something Jeff Atwood would write that I bet he would add it to Discourse if he knew about it, not understanding this is satire.
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@anonymous234 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
For too long, content providers have allowed ungrateful users to scroll wherever they please. With jankyscroll, you can assert your rightful dominance as a Provider of Value, and stop those thankless users from flippantly scrolling all over your site.
That almost sounds like actual ISP logic.
Yeah. I can't even disable Wi-Fi in my modem without calling them!
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@gąska:
Which ISP is it?
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@zerosquare every ISP that uses DOCSIS and overrides modem settings on connect. Fuck DOCSIS.
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@gąska Eh, they used parallax. This reminds me of "Nose Pilot" more than anything. This is intended as an art installation, right?
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@gąska I don't think you can blame DOCSIS for how your operator handles the settings on the modem/router.
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@loopback0 you can blame DOCSIS for allowing that. It's literally impossible to do the same over ADSL.
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@gąska ADSL is a hack over existing bad wires, though. You really would rather have the immense EM chute of DOCSIS than trickle over phone wire. You would.
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