A critical reflection on GDPR
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@Zerosquare said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
we have signed statements saying we can use whatever we want however we want. The joy of being at a private school.
I wonder why schools seem to get a free pass for things that would cause outrage if a company did the same. There are plenty of other examples.
It makes even less sense when you realize they don't pay you, you pay them.I do tell the kids that it's their full-time job, so they should treat it like one. Do they?
But yeah, their parents are paying $20k/year in tuition alone (plus books, supplies, lunches, travel expenses, etc). Not all are wealthy, either (although some are very wealthy).
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@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Zerosquare
But won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!?!?Parents should not be responsible for killing their children when they've become detached!
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@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
paying $20k/year in tuition
parents who have the time to commute an hour each way, 4x/day
Not all are wealthyMust have different definitions of that.
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
paying $20k/year in tuition
parents who have the time to commute an hour each way, 4x/day
Not all are wealthyMust have different definitions of that.
Some are on scholarship, others work their butts off and live a low standard of living to send their kids here. There was one whose mom was a single parent, working overtime as a nurse. School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
JFC.
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@Gąska Anonymized aggregation.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
The economist in me wonders if housing costs/availability are really so bad there that one couldn't find a housing solution in a better public school district for less than twice the cost of the current arrangement.
And then I'm like, "yeah, but housing is just really fucking weird, it probably is cheaper (or at least more practical) to pay for the private school"
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@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
The economist in me wonders if housing costs/availability are really so bad there that one couldn't find a housing solution in a better public school district for less than twice the cost of the current arrangement.
And then I'm like, "yeah, but housing is just really fucking weird, it probably is cheaper (or at least more practical) to pay for the private school"
Then your housing situation is even more fucked than your schooling situation. Which, given the above, sounds difficult.
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@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
The economist in me wonders if housing costs/availability are really so bad there that one couldn't find a housing solution in a better public school district for less than twice the cost of the current arrangement.
And then I'm like, "yeah, but housing is just really fucking weird, it probably is cheaper (or at least more practical) to pay for the private school"
You can get into a better public school by paying more. This actually the primary driver of land values. But the difference (locally) between the best public schools and a private schools is quite large.
For example, I teach a total of 70 kids across 5 different classes. My biggest section is 18 kids. My friends who teach public schools often have 35-40 in one class.
I also have basically no discipline problems--at most it's kids out of dress code or not being quiet when they should be. I've referred kids to the principal a total of maybe 5 times in 5.5 years. And when I do, there are consequences that matter.
I also have the freedom to set my own curriculum (in consultation with the other teachers of the same subject). I'm not bound by state-level standards or standardized tests. My chain of command goes me -> department chair -> principal. That's it. And 99% of the time the choice is mine.
Oh, and if you look at the amount that the public schools spend per pupil per year it's not that much different (~$10-18k nationally vs ~$20k). But the parents who send their kids to private school pay twice--once on their taxes and once for tuition.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
The economist in me wonders if housing costs/availability are really so bad there that one couldn't find a housing solution in a better public school district for less than twice the cost of the current arrangement.
And then I'm like, "yeah, but housing is just really fucking weird, it probably is cheaper (or at least more practical) to pay for the private school"
You can get into a better public school by paying more. This actually the primary driver of land values. But the difference (locally) between the best public schools and a private schools is quite large.
For example, I teach a total of 70 kids across 5 different classes. My biggest section is 18 kids. My friends who teach public schools often have 35-40 in one class.
I also have basically no discipline problems--at most it's kids out of dress code or not being quiet when they should be. I've referred kids to the principal a total of maybe 5 times in 5.5 years. And when I do, there are consequences that matter.
I also have the freedom to set my own curriculum (in consultation with the other teachers of the same subject). I'm not bound by state-level standards or standardized tests. My chain of command goes me -> department chair -> principal. That's it. And 99% of the time the choice is mine.
Oh, and if you look at the amount that the public schools spend per pupil per year it's not that much different (~$10-18k nationally vs ~$20k). But the parents who send their kids to private school pay twice--once on their taxes and once for tuition.
I've never bought that "paid twice" argument. Because that argument then implies that somebody like me with no kids is paying infinity % more. If the only people paying those taxes were those with school age kids I'd agree with that statement.
I look at it more like public roads. My tax dollars support roads I'll never drive on. My tax dollars support having some degree of public education available.
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@mikehurley said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
The economist in me wonders if housing costs/availability are really so bad there that one couldn't find a housing solution in a better public school district for less than twice the cost of the current arrangement.
And then I'm like, "yeah, but housing is just really fucking weird, it probably is cheaper (or at least more practical) to pay for the private school"
You can get into a better public school by paying more. This actually the primary driver of land values. But the difference (locally) between the best public schools and a private schools is quite large.
For example, I teach a total of 70 kids across 5 different classes. My biggest section is 18 kids. My friends who teach public schools often have 35-40 in one class.
I also have basically no discipline problems--at most it's kids out of dress code or not being quiet when they should be. I've referred kids to the principal a total of maybe 5 times in 5.5 years. And when I do, there are consequences that matter.
I also have the freedom to set my own curriculum (in consultation with the other teachers of the same subject). I'm not bound by state-level standards or standardized tests. My chain of command goes me -> department chair -> principal. That's it. And 99% of the time the choice is mine.
Oh, and if you look at the amount that the public schools spend per pupil per year it's not that much different (~$10-18k nationally vs ~$20k). But the parents who send their kids to private school pay twice--once on their taxes and once for tuition.
I've never bought that "paid twice" argument. Because that argument then implies that somebody like me with no kids is paying infinity % more. If the only people paying those taxes were those with school age kids I'd agree with that statement.
I look at it more like public roads. My tax dollars support roads I'll never drive on. My tax dollars support having some degree of public education available.
The biggest component of property taxes is schools spending. In many states, that's the second largest chunk of money a state spends (after medicaid). So it's not that you're paying more times, you're just not using the services you're paying for. While a private school family is paying for something they're not using and paying for the replacement service as well.
So saying they're paying twice is fair, IMO.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@mikehurley said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
School was a bigger expense than housing or anything else. Because the public school where she'd go otherwise sucks. Like "people getting shanked in the hallway" sucks.
The economist in me wonders if housing costs/availability are really so bad there that one couldn't find a housing solution in a better public school district for less than twice the cost of the current arrangement.
And then I'm like, "yeah, but housing is just really fucking weird, it probably is cheaper (or at least more practical) to pay for the private school"
You can get into a better public school by paying more. This actually the primary driver of land values. But the difference (locally) between the best public schools and a private schools is quite large.
For example, I teach a total of 70 kids across 5 different classes. My biggest section is 18 kids. My friends who teach public schools often have 35-40 in one class.
I also have basically no discipline problems--at most it's kids out of dress code or not being quiet when they should be. I've referred kids to the principal a total of maybe 5 times in 5.5 years. And when I do, there are consequences that matter.
I also have the freedom to set my own curriculum (in consultation with the other teachers of the same subject). I'm not bound by state-level standards or standardized tests. My chain of command goes me -> department chair -> principal. That's it. And 99% of the time the choice is mine.
Oh, and if you look at the amount that the public schools spend per pupil per year it's not that much different (~$10-18k nationally vs ~$20k). But the parents who send their kids to private school pay twice--once on their taxes and once for tuition.
I've never bought that "paid twice" argument. Because that argument then implies that somebody like me with no kids is paying infinity % more. If the only people paying those taxes were those with school age kids I'd agree with that statement.
I look at it more like public roads. My tax dollars support roads I'll never drive on. My tax dollars support having some degree of public education available.
The biggest component of property taxes is schools spending. In many states, that's the second largest chunk of money a state spends (after medicaid). So it's not that you're paying more times, you're just not using the services you're paying for. While a private school family is paying for something they're not using and paying for the replacement service as well.
So saying they're paying twice is fair, IMO.
I guess agree to disagree. A lot of these things I think of paying for to "have available" and use if needed or wanted. Same with police. If I hired a PI to figure out who stole my stuff I'm not paying for "policing" twice.
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It depends if you consider paying private services an option to go above-and-beyond what public services can offer, or a necessity due to the public services doing an inadequate job. In the second case you could argue you're paying twice.
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@Zerosquare said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
It depends if you consider paying private services an option to go above-and-beyond what public services can offer, or a necessity due to the public services doing an inadequate job. In the second case you could argue you're paying twice.
And that's the difference I see. It's not "it's perfectly adequate but I just like <service X> better", it's "putting my child in that school is child abuse, but I still have to pay for this <curse word> of a service".
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@Gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
GDPR notice done right:
ok, biggest pet peeve is websites that appear to load correctly and then five seconds later pop up a fullscreen modal dialogue saying "COOKIES ACCEPT"
and I'm like "fuck you I came here to read an article that probably doesn't even utilize any feature of HTML other than paragraph tags why do you need ten megabytes of JavaScript to tell me you use cookies"
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@ben_lubar Because the idea of not using cookies does not occur to them.
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Of course, this should be called "I don't care about cookie warnings". My caring about cookies works by using private mode and blocking tracking shit.
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@topspin I wish there was a browser that allows accepting 3rd party cookies on whitelist basis. Because creating an exception for each of those 3rd party domains I've never even visited or seen is just too bothersome.
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@ben_lubar said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
ok, biggest pet peeve is websites that appear to load correctly and then five seconds later pop up a fullscreen modal dialogue saying "COOKIES ACCEPT"
and I'm like "fuck you I came here to read an article that probably doesn't even utilize any feature of HTML other than paragraph tags why do you need ten megabytes of JavaScript to tell me you use cookies"If you use the web inspector to squelch that stupid intrusive dialog, you'll find that it's probably also completely broken scrolling.
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@Gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@topspin I wish there was a browser that allows accepting 3rd party cookies on whitelist basis. Because creating an exception for each of those 3rd party domains I've never even visited or seen is just too bothersome.
chrome://settings/content/cookies, first toggle on the page
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@ben_lubar if only it didn't automatically sign me into the browser just because I opened mailbox...
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@ben_lubar I just checked, and I'm not sure it's what I asked for. Does it really block all cookies except for first-party cookies from whitelisted domains and third-party cookies originating from sites in whitelisted domains without whitelisting the cookie domain itself?
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@Gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@ben_lubar I just checked, and I'm not sure it's what I asked for. Does it really block all cookies except for first-party cookies from whitelisted domains and third-party cookies originating from sites in whitelisted domains without whitelisting the cookie domain itself?
No idea.
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@Gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@ben_lubar if only it didn't automatically sign me into the browser just because I opened mailbox...
It doesn't, it just looks like it does.
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@Gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@ben_lubar if only it didn't automatically sign me into the browser just because I opened mailbox...
Google's reaction to your concerns: "Oh, sorry, we really thought that'd be easier to understand and we're really not keeping more data on you. Well, in the next version we'll ask first.
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@pie_flavor said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Gąska said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@ben_lubar if only it didn't automatically sign me into the browser just because I opened mailbox...
It doesn't, it just looks like it does.
You are logged in to the browser, but it may not be syncing all of your settings with Google and any other devices on which you use that account. (They state that Sync should be off by default, but it was on for me.)
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@Parody No. Logging into the browser means that it's syncing all your settings and things. What you are logged into is Google; Chrome just has a special status indicator for that. Unless you define "logging into the browser" as "logging into a website while using the browser", in which case I don't see where the problem is.
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@pie_flavor Stupid Chrome deleted all of my settings again while I was testing stuff. ::sigh::
Anyway, this is a poor reuse of the status indicator that meant "I'm probably syncing all of your settings and will delete them if you log out." up until now. Google's choices for these sorts of things are why I only use Chrome for Google properties.
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Benjamin-Hall said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@loopback0 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@tharpa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
a man with more than one wife.
Mormons?
Hey, I'm a Latter-day Saint and I have exactly 0 wives. Or girlfriends. Or friends in general
They say correlation does not imply causation, though. Or does it?
No, but the converse holds true.
My current sig
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BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!
Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal data
One in four firms holding a test subject's data released it to her partner without her permission.
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@boomzilla Nothing that advanced needed over here. Politicians just cross the binnenhof with open folders (last spring, shortly after the elections). Or leave important documents in the train (a few months later).
Not going to find links for either given that it's months ago and would be in Dutch anyway.
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@PleegWat Did you miss the nested "details" tags?
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I don't care about cookies acquired by Avast
Get rid of annoying cookie warnings from almost all 'infected' websites!
