News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses
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So, I tend to use some of the Stack Exchange sites other than Stack Overflow. The other sites tend to be a little bit more easy going than SO, but I've noticed a recent trend where the pedantic dickweeds are finding their way into those sites too.
Long story short, there's a debate on the RPG stack exchange site about comment misuse. There are a number of threads about it, but I responded to this one in particular.
: We want to reduce arguing in comments
Well, what do they consider arguing in comments? Pretty much anything that disagrees with the fucking answer. Want to leave a comment that suggests some improvements to an answer (as is the Stack Exchange norm?), well fuck you, it will be deleted as soon as a mod comes along.
I decided to leave an answer to try to add some reason back into the discussion. Then the comments started pouring in, that funnily enough, disagreed with my answer. Oh, the fucking ironing.
: Don't mis-identify valid comments as misuse, it's valuable to suggest improvements to answers, or question their veracity. The fucking UI even tells us to do this when we cast a downvote!
: Does not compute!!! We delete tehz comments!
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Of all the things Stack Exchange does, the one I find most annoying is that, as an anonymous user, I can add answers, but not comments.
I will never want to add an answer, I don't look at questions that don't already have one. I do see answers that could be improved or fixed all the time, but apparently that's none of my business.
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@anonymous234 Commenting is locked for anons precisely to prevent the majority of spam that infests other sites. Answering used to be similarly locked, but the review system has now been strengthened to the point where it isn't necessary to be so strict (with a down-side of further enabling the deletionist fuckwads).
Asshats are why we can't have nice things.
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<> BAM! and the entire comment thread below my answer has been deleted, as if to illustrate my point. </>
Damn, I should have taken a screenshot for posterity.
It's funny how, even though Jeff isn't involved in Stack Exchange any more, he's managed to encourage every single fucking mod over there to behave like he does.
Filed under:
Shoot firstDelete comments first,askdelete questions later.
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@doctorjones said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Long story short, there's a debate on the RPG stack exchange site about comment misuse. There are a number of threads about it, but I responded to this one in particular.
There is one very good point there:
Answering in comments (mostly on questions)
I hate that shit.
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@doctorjones said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
It's funny how, even though Jeff isn't involved in Stack Exchange any more, he's managed to encourage every single fucking mod over there to behave like he does.
Do they give lessons, and if so, how much are they?
Asking for a
friendmoderation team...
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Put in my two pence...
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@SevenSidedDie Well, sure, if the flow of comments is such that issues with an answer are resolved and the answer is edited appropriately, this would be a valid idea for deleting the associated comments, maybe. However it's just as likely that the answer won't get updated and the comments deleted out of spite with no change. A comment's usefulness shouldn't be decided by the answerer; I think that just invites echo-chamber-like behaviour.
Edit: Oh yay, gamificiation, I got points just for having more than one linked account on StackExchange...
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@tsaukpaetra, holy shot, you received the strangest reply. "Comments aren't permanent, deal with it." I hate those fuckers.
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@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
"Comments aren't permanent, deal with it."
Best response possible: “Comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them.”
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@dkf said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
"Comments aren't permanent, deal with it."
Best response possible: “Comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them.”
I'll take it. One se
xc, logging into the site on my phone...Edit: posted:
@SevenSidedDie on the contrary, comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them. I mirror what Doctor Jones mentioned: if you're just going to delete comments that "don't result in a change to the answer" your enforcing echo chamber and encouraging others who come after to repeat the conversation, wasting everyone's time.
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@dkf said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
"Comments aren't permanent, deal with it."
Best response possible: “Comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them.”
I'll take it. One sex...
Only one? Man, it's Sunday, give yourself a break!
Filed under: Unless you meant "sex change"...
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@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@dkf said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
"Comments aren't permanent, deal with it."
Best response possible: “Comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them.”
I'll take it. One sex...
Only one? Man, it's Sunday, give yourself a break!
Filed under: Unless you meant "sex change"...
Well, if it was only one I think I'd consider that a break in something!
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@dkf said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
"Comments aren't permanent, deal with it."
Best response possible: “Comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them.”
I'll take it. One sex...
Only one? Man, it's Sunday, give yourself a break!
Filed under: Unless you meant "sex change"...
Well, if it was only one I think I'd consider that a break in something!
Nah, you'd be sexchanging one of your sexes for another. You'd keep the rest of 'em.
Filed under: I meant "genders", didn't I?
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"So, RegularHeptahedron, why exactly are you commenting on this answer? What change do you expect to be made to it?"
Edit: Oh yay, gamificiation, I got points just for having more than one linked account on StackExchange...
Yeah, too bad those points only apply to the newly linked account, not across all SE sites. Basically, it allows you to create posts, participate in meta, create wiki posts, remove new user restrictions, vote up, flag posts, talk in chat, comment everywhere, set bounties, create chat rooms, edit community wiki, and vote down without having to build up your reputation on the new site.
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Come on, this is the RPG stack-exchange.
RPG is a game about sitting with people and talking about imaginary stuff.
Why is it considered remotely wrong that people use comments to talk about stuff?
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Edit: Oh yay, gamificiation, I got points just for having more than one linked account on StackExchange...
It's less of gamification and more of letting you bypass this stupid requirement of having to post questions and answers before you can comment and stuff since you're a known good actor.
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@djls45 said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
remove new user restrictions
I thought there were still some kind of protected questions where users which are new on that particular SE cannot do anything (it says so in the locked message that the association bonus doesn't count). Yay, gamification!
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Ah, I see the resident downvoter has struck again with no comment...
Oh, and apparently arguing isn't allowed, or any form thereof, so I expect some responsible person should come by and erase history soon:
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@tsaukpaetra There's some great Stack Overflowisms in there:
Those damned users, so lippy.
And of course, I'm not to the bottom yet, but so far nobody has pointed out that deleting people's shit is really unfriendly no matter why or how often you do it. You're never going to make friends with someone after you've deleted their shit.
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@blakeyrat said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
You're never going to make friends with someone after you've deleted their shit.
INB4 "you're not here to make friends"
Also, he said it! "Meta is different"! Do I get a badge?
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Do I get a badge?
And temp-banned!
I guess I was too hostile. Or something.
Discuss.
Edit: also, what's a "logical contraction"?
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Did you guys see the blog post from the Stack Exchange team stating that Stack Overflow isn't very welcoming, and they're looking at ways of sorting it.
I hope they tell all of the mods to stop being pedantic pricks.
Well, a guy can dream can't he?
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@doctorjones I liked the proposal I saw on HackerNews that they should just delete everybody's reputation every 6 months or so. Bring everybody back to zero.
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Edit: also, what's a "logical contraction"?
I think it's like a logical contradiction, but written by a moron.
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Edit: also, what's a "logical contraction"?
Yeah, I thought that was weird, too. Fuck all ToS / Code of Conduct Nazis. Right in their starholes.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Edit: also, what's a "logical contraction"?
The transitive property of equality?
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@blakeyrat said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@doctorjones I liked the proposal I saw on HackerNews that they should just delete everybody's reputation every 6 months or so. Bring everybody back to zero.
They did it on Allegro (Polish eBay). Cue hundreds of thousands angry users who suddenly lost over ten years of building trust score.
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@boomzilla said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Fuck all ToS / Code of Conduct Nazis. Right in their starholes.
Paging @ivannieto..
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It seems a white knight has appeared to take my place.
@SevenSidedDie You appear to be misinterpreting the SE FAQ. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19756/how-do-comments-work says that “comments are disposable”, giving reasons why this is so, not that they are temporary. These are critical semantic differences; meta.stackexchange.com/questions/182295/… goes into more depth about why deleting comments isn't done in general (basically, it causes too much user confusion). – Donal Fellows 13 mins ago
Best of luck, friend...
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@tsaukpaetra Having had a poke around the RPG meta, it seems that some of the moderators here are autistic deletionist fuckwads. It's almost worth starting a debate on the matter over on the main StackExchange meta and inviting them in to justify their habits of deleting even constructive contributions. But that'd require me to participate far more than I really want to. I'd much rather stick to areas that I'm more engaged in (and I've deliberately stepped back from screwing around in meta; it sucks too much time).
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Status: replied to the auto-robot message.
We'll see where this "private message" goes....
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
We'll see where this "private message" goes....
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@doctorjones said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
Did you guys see the blog post from the Stack Exchange team stating that Stack Overflow isn't very welcoming, and they're looking at ways of sorting it.
Yes, they have a lot of reasons for why they think Stack Exchange isn't very "welcoming". Unfortunately, "the mods are all arrogant, pedantic assholes" isn't on their list.
But, not terribly surprising that everyone there is some sort of mini-Jeff.
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@Tsaukpaetra
I see a great solution.
SevenSidedDie should install a user CSS that hides comments.
An account setting to that effect could be added.
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@blakeyrat said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
I liked the proposal I saw on HackerNews that they should just delete everybody's reputation every 6 months or so. Bring everybody back to zero.
There was this idea to clear the legal system that for every new law, a government should repeal and old, obsolete one.
I propose that if a mod wants to delete something from SE, they also have to delete one of their posts, with higher-or-equal number of upvotes.
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And the comments are gone. Did I call it or what?
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
And the comments are gone. Did I call it or what?
When your ban expires you need to add this answer:
Personality transplants for moderators.
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@Tsaukpaetra Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they're gone.
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
also, what's a "logical contraction"?
if (bool) instead of if (bool == true)
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@coldandtired it becomes really fun with tribools.
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@gąska said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
tribools
if (b) { ... } else { ... } FILE_NOT_FOUND { ... }
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@gąska said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@blakeyrat said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@doctorjones I liked the proposal I saw on HackerNews that they should just delete everybody's reputation every 6 months or so. Bring everybody back to zero.
They did it on Allegro (Polish eBay). Cue hundreds of thousands angry users who suddenly lost over ten years of building trust score.
They could throw away something like 75% of the reputation score. Or do some sort of exponential decaying.
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@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
We'll see where this "private message" goes....
Not very far. While I can totally agree to your frustration about the discussion, the message does read kind of passive-aggressive. They have different etiquette over there than on TDWTF.
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@topspin said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@tsaukpaetra said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
We'll see where this "private message" goes....
Not very far. While I can totally agree to your frustration about the discussion, the message does read kind of passive-aggressive. They have different etiquette over there than on TDWTF.
Well, the discussion officially never happened, so it's all good, right?
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@topspin said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@gąska said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@blakeyrat said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@doctorjones I liked the proposal I saw on HackerNews that they should just delete everybody's reputation every 6 months or so. Bring everybody back to zero.
They did it on Allegro (Polish eBay). Cue hundreds of thousands angry users who suddenly lost over ten years of building trust score.
They could throw away something like 75% of the reputation score. Or do some sort of exponential decaying.
That would keep occasional sellers on site, which it seems hasn't been their goal as of late, with perfect white picture background requirement and all.
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@dkf said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@kt_ said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
"Comments aren't permanent, deal with it."
Best response possible: “Comments would be permanent if you didn't delete them.”
goddamnit @fbmac
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@gąska That's a completely different environment, for a lot of reasons.
Did they do it because they found many of the ratings were faked somehow, but were too lazy to find which ones? I mean, Amazon and Steam purge fake reviews and rankings whenever they find them, but they don't just wipe the whole system.
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@blakeyrat as far as I know, they did it to get rid of all occasional sellers so only professional shops with high regular turnover would stay, and push everyone else to their other website which is more like Craigslist than eBay, with all the downsides.
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@tsaukpaetra "Your ban has been increased to one year."
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@dcon said in News flash, Stack Exchange sites are run by jackasses:
@tsaukpaetra "Your ban has been increased to one year."
Eh, it's fine, I don't frequently that place anyways...