Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!)
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Or they could just stop doing stupid shit. Same effect, much less skill involved.
Yeah... I am too much of a misanthrope to ever see people stopping with doing the stupid shit happening.
But you have faith in rigorous training changing them?
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@dangeruss Different stimuli than in humans, but humans are fooled just as well, with optical illusions of all kinds and pareidolia.
It's no different than a kid who had been taught that "fuck off" is totally a thing welcome to say in a polite company to old ladies.
If you want your car never to make mistakes, you don't make it read signs visually (those can lie, too). You plant sufficiently powered beacons which broadcast speed and road condition information wirelessly, in cryptographically signed payloads, to vehicles.
Then, of course, you lobby governments of all countries that got roads for cars to adopt a single standard for those beacons.
Then you lobby the remaining governments to have roads at all.
Easy, huh?
(...Then your mutilated corpse is found somewhere in Albania, where you lobbied for roads, because your interpreter got drunk and mistranslated.)
That all seems needlessly complex. The car presumably has GPS and a map. Put the speeds on the map.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yet nobody screams just as loud to BAN FUCKING HUMAN AMATEURS FROM DRIVING
I do.
Because you are an authoritarian asshole.
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@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uh, guys, has anyone already mentioned that the investigation currently points to: "There's not much anyone or anything could have done in this case because you can't stop on a dime?"
Doesn't matter. Lorne is still frothing at the mouth over Uber being involved.
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@dangeruss Different stimuli than in humans, but humans are fooled just as well, with optical illusions of all kinds and pareidolia.
It's no different than a kid who had been taught that "fuck off" is totally a thing welcome to say in a polite company to old ladies.
If you want your car never to make mistakes, you don't make it read signs visually (those can lie, too). You plant sufficiently powered beacons which broadcast speed and road condition information wirelessly, in cryptographically signed payloads, to vehicles.
Then, of course, you lobby governments of all countries that got roads for cars to adopt a single standard for those beacons.
Then you lobby the remaining governments to have roads at all.
Easy, huh?
(...Then your mutilated corpse is found somewhere in Albania, where you lobbied for roads, because your interpreter got drunk and mistranslated.)
That all seems needlessly complex. The car presumably has GPS and a map. Put the speeds on the map.
It gets even better when you realize map creators have already done just that. I know for a fact that Here Maps warned about speed limits in Poland since at least 2013.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@dangeruss Different stimuli than in humans, but humans are fooled just as well, with optical illusions of all kinds and pareidolia.
It's no different than a kid who had been taught that "fuck off" is totally a thing welcome to say in a polite company to old ladies.
If you want your car never to make mistakes, you don't make it read signs visually (those can lie, too). You plant sufficiently powered beacons which broadcast speed and road condition information wirelessly, in cryptographically signed payloads, to vehicles.
Then, of course, you lobby governments of all countries that got roads for cars to adopt a single standard for those beacons.
Then you lobby the remaining governments to have roads at all.
Easy, huh?
(...Then your mutilated corpse is found somewhere in Albania, where you lobbied for roads, because your interpreter got drunk and mistranslated.)
That all seems needlessly complex. The car presumably has GPS and a map. Put the speeds on the map.
It gets even better when you realize map creators have already done just that. I know for a fact that Here Maps warned about speed limits in Poland since at least 2013.
They have presumably done it here also. The rental vehicle we had on vacation could set cruise control by speed limit or warn you if you were driving over the speed limit.
I obviously turned all that off.
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I obviously turned all that off.
So, back on the topic of reckless drivers...
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@lucas1 said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates Nope
I am not GodEmperor... I am Lucas.
GotEmperor was one of SlackerD's alts.
Is @SlackerD a Dune fan? Those where my favorite books.
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@polygeekery There's more to signs than speed limits. Also, good luck keeping the maps updated.
I've been had by Google Maps several times when they navigated me to make a U-turn exactly where it was forbidden; there are numerous stories about GPS and maps software leading to closed roads.
some people won't ever update because they can't be bothered, or because they have a Windows Update PTSD, or what else shit reason. Also, there are temporary obstacles, maintenance works etc. Restrictions by car type.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@polygeekery There's more to signs than speed limits. Also, good luck keeping the maps updated.
I've been had by Google Maps several times when they navigated me to make a U-turn exactly where it was forbidden; there are numerous stories about GPS and maps software leading to closed roads.
some people won't ever update because they can't be bothered, or because they have a Windows Update PTSD, or what else shit reason. Also, there are temporary obstacles, maintenance works etc. Restrictions by car type.
Yeah, which is why we will always need to turn off the silly self-driving feature.
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@polygeekery why? Supply additional real-time information. Beacons. Barcodes. Fall back on that shitty image recognition if there's nothing else.
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@wft crash in to semis, crash in to fire trucks, run over pedestrians. Whatever floats your boat.
I just know I don't want a self-driving car that I cannot override and drive manually.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@polygeekery There's more to signs than speed limits. Also, good luck keeping the maps updated.
I've been had by Google Maps several times when they navigated me to make a U-turn exactly where it was forbidden; there are numerous stories about GPS and maps software leading to closed roads.
some people won't ever update because they can't be bothered, or because they have a Windows Update PTSD, or what else shit reason. Also, there are temporary obstacles, maintenance works etc. Restrictions by car type.
Coming home last Sunday, Google tried taking me across a bridge. It was under (re)construction. Nice solid barricades blocking it.
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft crash in to semis, crash in to fire trucks, run over pedestrians. Whatever floats your boat.
I just know I don't want a self-driving car that I cannot override and drive manually.
I go places that a self-driving car is never going to able to achieve in my lifetime. Like backing an RV trailer into the camping spot on the grass. Or on the pavement in front because the fairgrounds won't allow parking on the grass because of rain.
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I go places that a self-driving car is never going to able to achieve in my lifetime. Like backing an RV trailer into the camping spot on the grass. Or on the pavement in front because the fairgrounds won't allow parking on the grass because of rain.
I drive off-road a fair amount. When I was a construction superintendent I drove off-road a lot. Self-driving cars will never be able to tackle that. There is too much human intuition involved.
As you mentioned, I seriously doubt that self-driving cars will ever be able to back a trailer.
I am sure we can think of plenty more things that they will never be able to program around.
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
That all seems needlessly complex. The car presumably has GPS and a map. Put the speeds on the map.
That will work great until they reduce the speed limits for construction.
Also if you get pulled over for exceeding the posted speed limit the officer isn't gonna care whether the speed limit was changed yesterday and your car's map hasn't been updated yet.
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@polygeekery There's more to signs than speed limits. Also, good luck keeping the maps updated.
I've been had by Google Maps several times when they navigated me to make a U-turn exactly where it was forbidden; there are numerous stories about GPS and maps software leading to closed roads.
some people won't ever update because they can't be bothered, or because they have a Windows Update PTSD, or what else shit reason. Also, there are temporary obstacles, maintenance works etc. Restrictions by car type.
Coming home last Sunday, Google tried taking me across a bridge. It was under (re)construction. Nice solid barricades blocking it.
My favorite was when Google maps wanted me to drive out onto the middle of a bridge and then make a left turn through the guardrail and down to the roadway below.
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@anotherusername said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
My favorite was when Google maps wanted me to drive out onto the middle of a bridge and then make a left turn through the guardrail and down to the roadway below.
Was it in Austin? I had that happen in Austin a few times.
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I seriously doubt that self-driving cars will ever be able to back a trailer.
You might be surprised.
A big part of what makes backing a trailer so difficult is that, until you're good at it, what feels right and natural doesn't work, and a computer doesn't have that problem. Parallel parking is a similar skill, and they already have cars that can do that all by themselves.
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@anotherusername meh. It is still not better than a competent human. It is a crutch for those that can't back a trailer at all. I can back a trailer down a narrow lane without breaking out a tape measure beforehand. ;)
Admittedly it will get better. But it will never be perfect.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lucas1 said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates Nope
I am not GodEmperor... I am Lucas.
GotEmperor was one of SlackerD's alts.
Is @SlackerD a Dune fan? Those where my favorite books.
I've heard good things, but I haven't read it yet.
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@slackerd so I guess you're not @GodEmperor, or that username isn't a reference to
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@polygeekery I think you will always be able to override a robocar, just like you can override the autopilot in commercial aircraft. Those things, unless you have really weird conditions, basically fly themselves and you’re still expected to know them inside and out to get a license.
My bet is that the near future is in self-driving trucks and public transportation such as buses. Trucks, because having self-driving circuitry is far superior to a sleepy human crashing 17 cars on a city street. And it’s a long way until the human at the wheel is actually removed; I think the rail transport will be the first to actually be driven unsupervised (they do it with subways now where the environment is fully controlled, so why the hell not extend it to trams).
Also, I prefer to be on the same road as robotrucks which actually obey speed limits.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Or they could just stop doing stupid shit. Same effect, much less skill involved.
Yeah... I am too much of a misanthrope to ever see people stopping with doing the stupid shit happening.
But you have faith in rigorous training changing them?
To some extent, yes. Most people are soundly in the dunning krueger peak of driving, and a few hours of trackside skill training makes most people go "Holy shit I did not realise how crap at driving I am.". People just need to be motivated to realise they are at the dunning krueger peak. They wont be less stupid, they will just be slightly less incomptetent.
There is also the added benefit of keeping the absolute worst offenders off the streets if you have a bar you must get over before you are allowed to drive.
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@anotherusername I've had that happen in Edinburgh a few times, where Google has tried to get me to turn left off South Bridge onto the Cowgate. I drive a pretty solidly-built 4x4, set up for proper off-roading, but even at that I suspect a 20 metre drop would be a bit much for it.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think you will always be able to override a robocar, just like you can override the autopilot in commercial aircraft.
Yeah, that won't happen unless it's fought against.
If you don’t signal and try to change lanes, motors connected to the steering gear will countersteer to try to prevent you from changing lanes. You have to fight the computer’s determination to prevent your lane change. This is actually far more dangerous – far less saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafe – than not signaling a lane change when there’s no traffic around.
obey speed limits
Do I need to re-post that video from that guy in Canada about speed limits sometimes being set stupefyingly low?
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@lolwhat I've had Romanian drivers pushing 90 km/h behind me in zones where limit is 50. Trust me, no fun at all. Especially if a friendly neighbourhood traffic police officer is on patrol in the area.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Also, I prefer to be on the same road as robotrucks which actually obey speed limits.
Ugh...no. That just clogs the highway more than necessary.
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@boomzilla not on the highway. In built-up areas. Truck drivers don't give a fuck.
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@wft Well, don't see so many of them in those environments here.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
In built-up areas.
OK, now that I can understand. As long as the speed limit is set according to the Solomon curve or another reasonably scientific standard, then yes, make drivers who flagrantly violate the limit pay (literally and figuratively), especially if driving is part of their job description.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think you will always be able to override a robocar, just like you can override the autopilot in commercial aircraft. Those things, unless you have really weird conditions, basically fly themselves and you’re still expected to know them inside and out to get a license.
Aircraft don't have roads and can fly in three dimensions. The smaller aircraft I am used to are also not able to take off and land on autopilot, but I have heard that some commercial aircraft it is possible to do so...but no one does because the autopilot is too rough. In addition autopilot is only required above FL290 (I think?) and you are not allowed to use it below 500' above the deck or 2X the autopilot altitude loss. Whichever is larger.
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@polygeekery There is a thing called autoland, but it's rather limited. And you need to monitor it.
Anyway, the more experienced pilots are, the more they get to both rely on all auto stuff they can lay their hands on and follow all checklists religiously. There's something appealing in that mindset.
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Does anyone have any evidence that these companies have tested their systems using simulations of cities and other traffic? E.g. building a few blocks of stuff on their own property and testing there.
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@bb36e Ford didn’t build their own, but there’s one at a nearby university they use. (And possibly others too, that’s just the one I know does off the top of my head.)
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@unperverted-vixen said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@bb36e Ford didn’t build their own, but there’s one at a nearby university they use. (And possibly others too, that’s just the one I know does off the top of my head.)
Google and Tesla used a ghost town in the California desert. It was built by the DOD (IIRC) and then abandoned in the 70's. It is a small city with all the city stuff.
No idea if Uber ever used it or not. I would assume so.
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@karla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
First degree murder is premeditated.
Lesser murder charges still require intent to kill.IANAL, but I don't think either of these statements is true (although they're both close to truth). Premeditation (plus intent to kill) is one way to qualify for first-degree murder, but there is at least one other (the Felony Murder Rule, mentioned already by @anotherusername). Second-degree murder, meanwhile, does not require intent to kill, as I learned from this guy - http://patterico.com/2017/12/01/lawsplainer-the-california-homicide-statutes-relevant-to-the-steinle-murder-case/ - who is an (ex-?)prosecutor and he says:
When I try a murder case (and I have tried about thirty-five of them), with rare exceptions (like a felony-murder case, which this is not; see above) I typically start by explaining what second-degree murder is. Murder does not necessarily require an intent to kill. It is an unlawful killing of a human being with “malice aforethought.” This state of mind could be intent to kill, but it could also be intentionally committing an act, the natural and probable consequence of which is dangerous to human life, with knowledge that the act is dangerous to human life, and with conscious disregard for human life.
That sounds like a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo, so let’s make it simple: if I stab you in the neck, or point a loaded gun at you and deliberately pull the trigger, I know I could easily kill you. But what if I’m not trying to kill you? What if I just don’t care? Too bad. It’s still murder: namely, murder of the second degree.
You need something extra to get to first-degree murder. Usually, this is accomplished by proof that the murder was “willful, deliberate, and premeditated.” Here, unlike second-degree murder, you do have to have an intent to kill — “I don’t care if the victim dies” doesn’t cut it. You also have to make the decision to kill before acting, and do some amount of weighing the decision beforehand.
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@cabbage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@karla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
First degree murder is premeditated.
Lesser murder charges still require intent to kill.IANAL, but I don't think either of these statements is true (although they're both close to truth). Premeditation (plus intent to kill) is one way to qualify for first-degree murder, but there is at least one other (the Felony Murder Rule, mentioned already by @anotherusername). Second-degree murder, meanwhile, does not require intent to kill, as I learned from this guy - http://patterico.com/2017/12/01/lawsplainer-the-california-homicide-statutes-relevant-to-the-steinle-murder-case/ - who is an (ex-?)prosecutor and he says:
When I try a murder case (and I have tried about thirty-five of them), with rare exceptions (like a felony-murder case, which this is not; see above) I typically start by explaining what second-degree murder is. Murder does not necessarily require an intent to kill. It is an unlawful killing of a human being with “malice aforethought.” This state of mind could be intent to kill, but it could also be intentionally committing an act, the natural and probable consequence of which is dangerous to human life, with knowledge that the act is dangerous to human life, and with conscious disregard for human life.
That sounds like a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo, so let’s make it simple: if I stab you in the neck, or point a loaded gun at you and deliberately pull the trigger, I know I could easily kill you. But what if I’m not trying to kill you? What if I just don’t care? Too bad. It’s still murder: namely, murder of the second degree.
You need something extra to get to first-degree murder. Usually, this is accomplished by proof that the murder was “willful, deliberate, and premeditated.” Here, unlike second-degree murder, you do have to have an intent to kill — “I don’t care if the victim dies” doesn’t cut it. You also have to make the decision to kill before acting, and do some amount of weighing the decision beforehand.
Yeah, I was ignoring Felony Murder, and missing some nuance in lesser murder charges.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I know you're everyone's alt, but your my mom's alt too?!?!
What about my my mom's alt too?
Mmm, you're mom in "alt on alt" action. Nice.
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@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska Just checking.
Facts are a to OMFG THAT AUTOCAR JUST DROVE THROUGH THE BARRIER RUN!
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I know you're everyone's alt, but your my mom's alt too?!?!
What about my my mom's alt too?
you're mom
is
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Sooooooo, why are you making a big deal out of this one and I do not recall anything happening when a Tesla vehicle crashed while running on Autopilot and killed someone?
Because the discussion is about how Uber is a psychopathic corporation run by idiots who basically ignore laws and regulations.
@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
This is not the first time that a self-driving vehicle has killed someone.
Yes. I even said that.
@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
It will not be the last.
Yes. I even said that.
@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
You are getting all pissy because you don't like Uber.
Yes. I even said that.
You know, if you want to complain about Tesla, threads are free...
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ps: if all y'all want to shout at each other about speed limits and driver knowledge, I'm pretty sure there's a Garbage thread for that.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Because the discussion is about how Uber is a psychopathic corporation run by idiots who basically ignore laws and regulations.
But what does that have to do with someone committing suicide by jumping in front of a car at night?
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@boomzilla
And more importantly: would such an endeavor be likely more successful with a silicon or meat cpu at the wheel
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@sockpuppet7 said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@slackerd so I guess you're not @GodEmperor, or that username isn't a reference to
Nah, it was a reference to Warhammer 40K.
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@boomzilla I think a lot of accidents on highways also occur when you have, say, people driving the speed limit in the passing lane rather than in the travel lane.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Because the discussion is about how Uber is a psychopathic corporation run by idiots who basically ignore laws and regulations.
Perhaps so, but they were not this time. Not in this instance. Nearly everything you have said so far is either a lie or points to your inability to inform yourself on subjects before you start your mouth. You jump to conclusions based on how you feel about an organization instead of using facts.
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes. I even said that.
Where?
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes. I even said that.
Where?
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes. I even said that.
Where?
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
You know, if you want to complain about Tesla, threads are free...
We already have one going.
Hey! Here is more information about the crash.
The self-driving Volvo SUV was outfitted with at least two video cameras, one facing forward toward the street, the other focused inside the car on the driver, Moir said in an interview.
From viewing the videos, “it’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir said. The police have not released the videos.
But hey, let's not let pesky little things like "facts" and "expert opinions" and "reality" get in the way of a spittle flecked fit of rage at a corporation you don't like. Carry on. Let the hate flow through you.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
ps: if all y'all want to shout at each other about speed limits and driver knowledge, I'm pretty sure there's a Garbage thread for that.
Yeah, it would be a real shame if people came in and interrupted your echo chamber you tried to start here.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Because the discussion is about how Uber is a psychopathic corporation run by idiots who basically ignore laws and regulations.
But what does that have to do with someone committing suicide by jumping in front of a car at night?
Hey!! This is a Lorne thread!!