Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow
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@weng said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@weng said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates The S60 is the one with FLIR, right?
Yes.
Been thinking about buying one of those as a shop tool. Is the 640x480 IR resolution useful?
Depends on what you want to do with it. It's temperature range is -20C to 120C (it will show numbers above/below, but it does have a cap)
It's range is about 30 meters, but the temperature measurements gets more and more off with range.
I've used it to look at heating elements in floors, find heat leaks in my house, and check how an engine working by measuring the temperature rise in the collectors, and also, trackday tire and asphalt surface temperature measurements.
It's a low end range FLIR camera, but it does what it says on the tin.
The S61 has a fancier FLIR camera, but I haven't tried it so I do not know if it's really much better, but supposedly, it goes all the way up to 400C instead, which is nice.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Tried Nova launcher. Went to set up widgets. They don't have a calendar widgets.
It uses whatever widgets the apps you have have. If you've got a calendar app with a widget (the stock Google Calendar has it on mine), it'll show up in the list.
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@jaloopa said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Action Launcher, another launcher I've used in the past, has a feature where you can have a folder that launches an app if you tap it or the folder if you do a gesture. I used it for stuff like having the phone app being accessible with a tap but if I wanted to get to the full contacts app I could have it placed logically with the phone but not making me do an extra tap for the one I used much more often.
There are also simpler differences between how folders work. Do they have a maximum number of apps they can contain, do they paginate or allow scrolling? Maybe customising the appearance of the folder icon.Same! Folders are definitely useful.
I have my Camera app icon that's actually a folder if you swipe it to go to the gallery.
Also the tools folder has a folder inside it for system tools...
So awesome! Such an advanced concept that it's surprising anyone implemented it at all, if I think about it, actually...
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
if you can binary sort in your head
Huh, I don't have a tree for the alphabet. I wonder if I should start training for that.... Nah, the reverse list for the alphabet never took off, despite how fathomably inefficient it is to recurse it in the way I currently do...
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@parody said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@parody said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Fuck you, give me a calendar widget.
Your Calendar application has to provide them. The ones available on my phone come from Google Calendar.
I only have Google Calendar installed.
Huh. Don't know what to tell you then; I have Android 6 and Nova as well and my choices are the same as shown above. (Calendar version is 5.8.22.)
Blah... Xprivacy was preventing nova from seeing the widgets. The new xprivcay (lua) doesn't do the pop up "this is trying to access that" prompt the old one did
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Boy, I'm getting a lot of spam calls. Why isn't the "reject call" list I cultivated not blocking these calls? Maybe it didn't carry over from my old phone?
Fine, I'll figure that out later. Let me just start with this one number that's bugging me. I'll just long-click the number and... hmm, no "reject/spam call" option?
Maybe there's something under settings? No, nothing there.
Where is "reject call" list in Marshmallow 6.0?
HAHAHA JUST KIDDING THEY REMOVED THAT FEATURE!
Jessie Fucking Chris, you fucking morons! Programmatically rejecting calls is, like, in the top 3 reasons to have a computer attached to a phone! Who the fuck thought removing ONE OF THE MOST USEFUL THINGS A CELLPHONE CAN DO was a good idea?
Now I have to troll through the fucking Google Play store to try to find a third-party app that isn't full of ads or malware to MAYBE be able to reject calls and create a spam list. And by "reject" I don't mean what some fuckers think is "rejecting"-- which is pick up and hang up. No, that is not rejecting. That's using my fucking minutes.
And why isn't there an app that, if I do chose to, will pick up and emit the "Line Disconnected" special information tone? How is this so hard? We had the goddamn TELEZAPPER in the fucking NINETEEN EIGHTIES!
Why must every new version of everything forget history every fucking time?!?
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@lorne-kates In the Phone app on my phone, past phone calls (listed under the clock icon/tab) have an option to "Block/report spam".
I thought there was a way to do it when you receive the call (a post-call-reject notification?) but nobody else is here to call me at the moment. :/
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@parody said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates In the Phone app on my phone, past phone calls (listed under the clock icon/tab) have an option to "Block/report spam".
I thought there was a way to do it when you receive the call (a post-call-reject notification?) but nobody else is here to call me at the moment. :/
It may be a carrier or Samsung/HTC specific thing. Stock Mushfellow doesn't have it, because fuck.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@parody said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates In the Phone app on my phone, past phone calls (listed under the clock icon/tab) have an option to "Block/report spam".
I thought there was a way to do it when you receive the call (a post-call-reject notification?) but nobody else is here to call me at the moment. :/
It may be a carrier or Samsung/HTC specific thing. Stock Mushfellow doesn't have it, because fuck.
I have a Nexus 5. It's the most stock anything can get.
Here's the phone app: Phone by Google LLC.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Now I have to troll through the fucking Google Play store to try to find a third-party app that isn't full of ads or malware to MAYBE be able to reject calls and create a spam list. And by "reject" I don't mean what some fuckers think is "rejecting"-- which is pick up and hang up. No, that is not rejecting. That's using my fucking minutes.
I would recommend the Hiya app. It's got a database of known spam and scam call numbers, and will automatically block them for you if you tell it to, and you can report spam calls that get through the filter to add them to the database. In addition to what you were talking about, of course.
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@parody said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Phone by Google LLC.
https://i.imgur.com/SH6wSlp.png
Technology!
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@lorne-kates Interesting. Can you post a link to your dialer?
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It just says "Phone", version 2.21
Looks like "com.android.dialer"
As opposed to you "com.google.android.dialer"
TECHNOLOGY!
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@lorne-kates So, for the little it's worth, that means your dialer was made by your phone manufacturer and they didn't do much (if anything) in the way of customization. Sorry you can't use the Google version.
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Minor annoyance, but an annoyance. Two, actually. Fake edit: three. Faker edit: FOUR.
I needed to set a wifi connection from DHCP to Static.
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Brought down the top drawer, and there's wifi. Tap it to bring up the wifi list, see the connection I'm on. Long press it and wait and wait and wait and fucking ell, this isn't going to work, is it?
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No, of course not. Instead you have to click "More Settings", which isn't actually more wifi settings, but is instead the extended list of wifi networks. Thanks for the amazing naming there.
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Long press my network, get "More settings". But there's no option for DHCP/Static. Oh, it's under "Advanced", I guess. Tap advanced, and all that shows up is Proxy settings. Back out, try again, same thing. I'm about to Gaggle how to do this, but by happenstance I accidentally swipe on the screen, and the popup window scrolls. You see, apparently tapping "advanced" brings up a long list of options-- in a flat design. So you can't tell there's anything under Proxy. And since it's juuuust offscreen, you can't see the other options at all. Unless you happen to notice the 1px wide scrollbar-- that is positioned ABOVE the "advanced" accordion, so you wouldn't see it in your periphery. Oh, and the 1px wide scroll indicator is the exact same shade of dark grey as the foreground of the UI layer underneath, so it's nearly invisible. Great design!
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Finally start to enter the IP address etc. Get to the DNS settings. As soon as I tap the textbox, it fills with 8.8.8.8. Well, all the other textboxes also autofilled, but it was actually placeholder text and vanished as soon as I started typing. So I start typing "192" and notice I now have "8.8.8.8192". Wait, so that wasn't a placeholder text? Google automatically fills their own DNS server in my textbox? Fuck off with that shit. Backspace until it's gone. I have "8" and then tap backspace one more time, the textbox is clear-- which is apparently the signal for Google to FILL IN THE FUCKING TEXTBOX AGAIN WITH 8.8.8.8. Yes, whenever the box is empty, it autofills it. So I have to type in my DNS after the 8.8.8.8, then use the futzy cursor positioner to go back to the last 8, then backspace the 8's out.
Google can get fucked.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
- Brought down the top drawer, and there's wifi. Tap it to bring up the wifi list, see the connection I'm on. Long press it and wait and wait and wait and fucking ell, this isn't going to work, is it?
That's exactly how it works here.
- Long press my network, get "More settings". But there's no option for DHCP/Static. Oh, it's under "Advanced", I guess.
Given that there's absolutely nothing but network name and password if you don't press "Advanced", it's not that hard to guess, is it?
Unless you happen to notice the 1px wide scrollbar-- that is positioned ABOVE the "advanced" accordion, so you wouldn't see it in your periphery. Oh, and the 1px wide scroll indicator is the exact same shade of dark grey as the foreground of the UI layer underneath, so it's nearly invisible. Great design!
Not quite the same, but yeah that scrollbar sucks.
- Finally start to enter the IP address etc. Get to the DNS settings. As soon as I tap the textbox, it fills with 8.8.8.8. Well, all the other textboxes also autofilled, but it was actually placeholder text and vanished as soon as I started typing. So I start typing "192" and notice I now have "8.8.8.8192". Wait, so that wasn't a placeholder text? Google automatically fills their own DNS server in my textbox? Fuck off with that shit. Backspace until it's gone. I have "8" and then tap backspace one more time, the textbox is clear-- which is apparently the signal for Google to FILL IN THE FUCKING TEXTBOX AGAIN WITH 8.8.8.8. Yes, whenever the box is empty, it autofills it.
On LineageOS, no, it doesn't. And that's supposed to be pretty much stock Android plus bits and pieces. OK, mine is 7, nougat or whatever that's called in Sweetish.
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@laoc Can't re-create on Oreo either, which is stock Android; 8.8.8.8 is just placeholder text. Maybe it's a bug in Marshmallow that later got fixed? There's certainly still a lack of any indication you can scroll that fucking dialog though. Got to agree that's terrible design.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
pick up and hang up. No, that is not rejecting. That's using my fucking minutes.
Wait, it uses your minutes to receive a call? Jesus christ you really do get screwed on mobile service over the pond!
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@jaloopa said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
pick up and hang up. No, that is not rejecting. That's using my fucking minutes.
Wait, it uses your minutes to receive a call? Jesus christ you really do get screwed on mobile service over the pond!
Not to receive, but to answer, yes. Maybe not for a contract plan, but I'm on pay-as-you-go. I load up $100 once a year, the phone uses $0.30 / minute. Sometimes I actually use all the minutes and reload earlier than a year.
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@heterodox said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Maybe it's a bug in Marshmallow that later got fixed?
Maybe. Any googling for phrases like "android marshmallow wifi DNS "8.8.8.8" placeholder autofill" just pulls up this thread as top hit.
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So android has this thing called "Material Design". Of you aren't familiar with it, it may sound like a buzzword laden, ill conceived UI paradigm that fucks up.
If you are familiar with it then you KNOW it's a buzzword laden, ill conceived UI paradigm that fucks up.
Basic concept seems to be: "make widget things look like active program looks like, dynamically, by machine guessing"
Which works out as well as it sounds. Like when "thing" looks light/white, and so do the toolbar icons. Then you get this.
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Every time this thread pops up I except that it is about how some pop dj with a bucket on his head took the wrong turn in
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Like when "thing" looks light/white, and so do the toolbar icons.
Even more fun; sometimes the icons get it right. And sometimes some of the icons get it right and others stubbornly insist on white-on-white.
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@luhmann said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
took the wrong turn in
If you're in
, you already took a wrong turn. 
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@hardwaregeek said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
you already took a wrong turn
definitely since you are on the wrong side of the ocean ...
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
So android has this thing called "Material Design". Of you aren't familiar with it, it may sound like a buzzword laden, ill conceived UI paradigm that fucks up.
What's interesting is I remember this being a thing, but I think they abandoned it in later versions of Android:
That's Google for you. Fucking ADD engineers.
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My old phone had a nice built-in "photos" gallery app. It had the usual "system pictures location, recent, custom locations, etc". I told the camera to save pictures to the SD Card under DCIM, and the gallery defaulted to opening from there.
I could easily look at a grid (squares), or open a photo in full-ish screen mode. Had all the controls there-- easy crop, delete, Share and multi-select.
The main reason I'd use was to select a few photos from the ones I took today-- almost always of Molly-- and then Share them to a Facebook group for family to see those pictures. Nice and easy.
Now comes Mashmallow. And look, stock Android has helpfully removed that Gallery app. Instead there's Google's shit-tastic Photos app. Let's say, just for a moment, that I wanted Google to have access to all my photos. That I didn't mind feeding them even more private data, training their AI's to better invade people's privacy. Suppose I didn't mind trusting Google to not turn off their cloud services, or fuck up my offline pictures by "helpfully" backing up / restoring, or any of the other shitty shit Google does with "teh cloud 3.0z". Suppose all of that...
I still couldn't use the app. Open it up, and it just kinda guesses where the photos are, and dumps them all on screen grouped by date. Can I say "no, you dumb fuck, I just want to see the photos in DCIM"? Nope. It does helpfully let me know I can create an Album. Which I'd then have to manually add photos to. Because I can't say "Fine, make an album from /DCIM".
Grr. Fine, okay then, I'll do things the hard way and just open the fucking Facebook app directly. Go to my group, add a Photo post and-- and Facebook only shows "Gallery", which is a random assortment of photos that I have no idea where they're coming from, but it certainly isn't the SD card. And by "only" I mean there's no UI for selecting a different source. Sure, this one is on Facebook, but also WTF Android, don't you have a standard "pick a file" UI that apps can use?
Only solution left: 3rd party app. People recommend QuickPic. Download, install, try it out. I can browse to different locations, including the SD Card DCIM. Cool. Now I see the standard grid list of thumbnails, all square. Not overly helpful, since photos aren't square aspect ratio. But I can embiggen to see if I like the photo. Okay, this one is blurry, so I'll just press delete, confirm and-- the picture is still on screen. Repeat, picture still on screen. WTF? I'll figure this out later. Swipe to next pic, hmm, I want to see the previous one to the one I just deleted, so swipe backwards and-- get a big black screen saying "Failed to load data!". Apparently "removing deleted data from a linked list" was just TOO HARD for these developers.
Whatever, I can deal. I'll just back out then re-open the list when I'm done my first pass where I delete the obviously not-going-to-use photos (blurry, out of frame, blinking, etc).
Back to the start of the list for the second pass: picking the best of the bunch and uploading. Swipe swipe swipe oh that's a good one. Long press to select and-- and--- umm, how long do I have to press?
Answer: it doesn't matter because the app doesn't implement long-press to select when looking at the full picture. Meaning I need to back out to the tiny 16x16 thumbnails. I can't use those to determine the "best of the best". I can't see enough detail. Hell, 1/3 of the photo is missing since these are squares. But whatever, there's the photo right there I was trying to select. Long press, and a green check appears on it. Selected, yay! Now I'll tap the next photo to go back to full-screen browsing and...
that photo gets a green check. Long pressing puts you in multi-select mode in the thumbnails. The only way to see a photo back in full screen is to exit multi-select (which of course wipes out the selections).
I try a different app with a stupid name Pikturez or something dumb like that-- same issues.
So what used to be a simple task of quickly swiping through photos and long-pressing the ones I want, then doing -- I can't do that. There's no native app. The Google Photos app doesn't let me select folders. The Facebook app is brain-dead and won't do folder select. And all the 3rd party apps don't do full-screen multi select. There is literally no way to accomplish this task now, except for copying all the photos off the phone, to my PC, and creating the FaceBook post from there.
Fuck you, Android, and everyone who develops for it.
ps the latest update to the Facebook app-- yeah, even if I wanted to a single photo to the Molly group, I can't. Because they took away the tab that says "Uploading to: timeline or group (select group)".
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Google's shit-tastic Photos app
Yeah. They updated it some time ago and it magically lost the ability to delete photos. What even?,?
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@tsaukpaetra Eh? I can delete photos.
And @Lorne-Kates, my Photos tab has everything in DCIM and my Albums tab has all the other folders on my storage that have media in them.
So I have no idea what either of you are talking about.
Edit: I can also long-press multiple photos and share them all. So I feel like I'm using a different Photos app. Even though I know I'm not. :?
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@heterodox said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@tsaukpaetra Eh? I can delete photos.
And @Lorne-Kates, my Photos tab has everything in DCIM and my Albums tab has all the other folders on my storage that have media in them.
So I have no idea what either of you are talking about.
Edit: I can also long-press multiple photos and share them all. So I feel like I'm using a different Photos app. Even though I know I'm not. :?
Maybe they fixed it?
I wish i had it installed so I could take a screenshot of the condescending message that appears when you press the trash icon, telling you to go to the native Gallery App instead.
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@heterodox said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Edit: I can also long-press multiple photos and share them all
I think he meant selecting photos while in the single-photo view.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
I think he meant selecting photos while in the single-photo view.
Huh, I never would have thought to try that. Does indeed not work.
Also, Photos version 3.23.1.202220783 (good lord) if that contributes to the conversation at all.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Now comes Mashmallow. And look, stock Android has helpfully removed that Gallery app. Instead there's Google's shit-tastic Photos app. Let's say, just for a moment, that I wanted Google to have access to all my photos. That I didn't mind feeding them even more private data, training their AI's to better invade people's privacy. Suppose I didn't mind trusting Google to not turn off their cloud services, or fuck up my offline pictures by "helpfully" backing up / restoring, or any of the other shitty shit Google does with "teh cloud 3.0z". Suppose all of that...
Because the app that came stock with Android (the OS made by Google) was absolutely not made by Google.
I still couldn't use the app. Open it up, and it just kinda guesses where the photos are, and dumps them all on screen grouped by date. Can I say "no, you dumb fuck, I just want to see the photos in DCIM"? Nope. It does helpfully let me know I can create an Album. Which I'd then have to manually add photos to. Because I can't say "Fine, make an album from /DCIM".
Hamburger menu, Device folders.
Grr. Fine, okay then, I'll do things the hard way and just open the fucking Facebook app directly. Go to my group, add a Photo post and-- and Facebook only shows "Gallery", which is a random assortment of photos that I have no idea where they're coming from, but it certainly isn't the SD card. And by "only" I mean there's no UI for selecting a different source. Sure, this one is on Facebook, but also WTF Android, don't you have a standard "pick a file" UI that apps can use?
It does. I've never used Facebook, so I'm guessing here, but there's almost definitely a button which will bring up a menu of all the different apps you can choose a picture from. After which you push Photos.
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@heterodox said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@tsaukpaetra said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
I think he meant selecting photos while in the single-photo view.
Huh, I never would have thought to try that. Does indeed not work.
Also, Photos version 3.23.1.202220783 (good lord) if that contributes to the conversation at all.
2.5.0.140879878
I'll see if there's an update. (I try to avoid updating anything Gaggle related because it usually just makes the app worse, takes away features, and fucks the UI in the larynx).
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@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Because the app that came stock with Android (the OS made by Google) was absolutely not made by Google.
Kinda weird that the app called "Google Photos", which was made by Google LLC, was "absolutely not made by Google".
Much like how I "absolutely didn't anally fuck your mom".
@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Hamburger menu, Device folders.
Nope. It has the folders that are native to the device. But not the mounted SD Card. And there's no way to say "Use the fucking /mnt/external storage/sd-whatever/DCIM". You're batting 0/2 on this one-- must like I borked your mom in the "0" she does "#2" with.
@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
It does. I've never used Facebook, so I'm guessing here, but there's almost definitely a button which will bring up a menu of all the different apps you can choose a picture from. After which you push Photos.
And I'm guessing your mom will be walking funny for a couple days. But I'd be wrong, because she takes it in the rear like a champ. A real pro, she is.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Because the app that came stock with Android (the OS made by Google) was absolutely not made by Google.
Kinda weird that the app called "Google Photos", which was made by Google LLC, was "absolutely not made by Google".
Much like how I "absolutely didn't anally fuck your mom".
You are completely missing the point.
Google made the Gallery app just as much as it made the Photos app. Just because it has 'Google' in the name doesn't make it any more or less likely that it's recording all your information and sending it to Google.@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
Hamburger menu, Device folders.
Nope. It has the folders that are native to the device. But not the mounted SD Card. And there's no way to say "Use the fucking /mnt/external storage/sd-whatever/DCIM". You're batting 0/2 on this one-- must like I borked your mom in the "0" she does "#2" with.
WOMM.
@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
It does. I've never used Facebook, so I'm guessing here, but there's almost definitely a button which will bring up a menu of all the different apps you can choose a picture from. After which you push Photos.
And I'm guessing your mom will be walking funny for a couple days. But I'd be wrong, because she takes it in the rear like a champ. A real pro, she is.
Didn't even come up with an answer to this one. I'm assuming that I was right, then.
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@pie_flavor said in Lorne Fucks Around With A Marshmallow:
You're batting 0/2 on this one-- must like I borked your mom in the "0" she does "#2" with.
WOMM.
Works On My Mom ?
