Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
The ones with the
h
icon are .h files. The ones with the++
are .cpp files. That gets me through 97% of my needs right there. ;)The rest of my needs are fulfilled with my mental facilities using things like the
Type
field or index lookup. I never stated that not 100% of my needs are being met.
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@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra ... You hide extensions for known file types?
Why on Earth would you do this?It doesn't bother me enough to change the default.
Obviously you don't do C++. Project.cpp, project.h, project.rc, project.idl (and more) - hmm which is which? DAMMIT, I don't remember what the damn icons mean!
For maximum amusement, have one of them open in an application (Visual Studio, in the particular case) that opens the file in a "no sharing" way. Then, while it's still open, copy the directory structure using Explorer.
Explorer will tell you that a file called PROJECT could not be copied. Even with "Hide extensions" OFF(1) it doesn't tell you the extension, and it doesn't give you any other information about the file either.(2)
(1) There is at least one extension that remains hidden even if you turn this off.
.lnk
files (shortcuts) never show their extension in Explorer.(2) OK, I last tried this fifteen years ago, but I have no reason to think that they'll have changed it in the mean-time.
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@steve_the_cynic Regarding #1, that's also true for scrap files (removed in Windows Vista). Regarding #2, that's no longer true (changed in Windows Vista).
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I finally removed my full-disk encryption because of Win10 nonsense. It had a modified bootloader needed to boot from an encrypted disk. So what does Windows Updates do? Instead of just patching a few DLLs like it used to, now it acts like a full-blown Windows Upgrade, wipes out the bootloader, reboots, and then fails because it can no longer decrypt the hard disk while booting...
Looks like the recommended update procedure is to remove full-disk encryption, do Windows Updates, then re-encrypt. Which would be great if that wasn't an 8-hour process and if I actually had control of when Windows Updates does its thing.
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@mott555 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
acts like a full-blown Windows Upgrade
Isn't this only true for twice-a-year feature upgrades like the Creators Update?
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@marczellm If so, those twice-a-year upgrades happened within a couple weeks of each other. (I had a USB rescue disk to boot the system if the bootloader gets wiped out...still really annoying though)
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@mott555 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@marczellm If so, those twice-a-year upgrades happened within a couple weeks of each other. (I had a USB rescue disk to boot the system if the bootloader gets wiped out...still really annoying though)
Yes, Windows update waits a while between installing "feature upgrades", even if you repeatedly check for updates right after installing the precedent.
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So, Windows finally decided to fuck up my laptop once again with this update. If all goes well, I'll once again waste an hour installing update then reverting it. Then find a way to block it again.
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@gąska failed at 33%. Restoring...
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@gąska said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@gąska failed at 33%. Restoring...
Restore failed, Rollingb ack changes?
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@tsaukpaetra "rolling back changes" is what I called restoring. But it went just fine and system is fully working again. Just like previous 3 times.
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@gąska said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra "rolling back changes" is what I called restoring. But it went just fine and system is fully working again. Just like previous 3 times.
Sorry, was trying to make a joke that rolling back the rollback failed...
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@gąska said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
But it went just fine and system is fully working again. Just like previous 3 times.
At this point, it's used to doing it
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
Not all autism is culturally beneficial...
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
I turn annoyance into an art form.
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Don't look at me. @Tsaukpaetra was the one who said that only 97% of his needs were being met.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Don't look at me. @Tsaukpaetra was the one who said that only 97% of his needs were being met.
I'm used to net negative return on almost everything, so it doesn't bother me much anymore.
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@tsaukpaetra And yet you can take the five seconds to disable it.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And yet you can take the five seconds to disable it.
It's ok, I've made a specific annotation to my exceptions database that specifically mentions you. In a year's time when someone mentions lack of file extensions, I may just mention you in response.
Isn't it great to be remembered?
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
Not all autism is culturally beneficial...
Ah, I thought you said “artistic”. It’s hard to tell with this accent of yours.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
I turn annoyance into an art form.
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Don't look at me. @Tsaukpaetra was the one who said that only 97% of his needs were being met.
That’s an extremely high percentage, for a relationship. And let’s be honest, for the remaining 3% there’s PornHub. And hookers.
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
Not all autism is culturally beneficial...
Ah, I thought you said “artistic”. It’s hard to tell with this accent of yours.
I'm afraid I have to retract my upvote, since I thought you were making funny joke while in reality you just misread.
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Ever since the most recent failed update, boot time increased from 5 seconds to 5 minutes. I can live without GPU, but these boot times are killing me. Time for nuclear option.
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@gąska said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra And the other 3% just sit there nagging you and impeding productivity.
Why do you get so triggered when you learn that people have different workflows than you?
You must be the worst boyfriend!
Leave him alone, he's autistic!
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
Not all autism is culturally beneficial...
Ah, I thought you said “artistic”. It’s hard to tell with this accent of yours.
I'm afraid I have to retract my upvote, since I thought you were making funny joke while in reality you just misread.
Umm... you should definitely watch more IT Crowd. Sad!
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@kt_ IT Crowd? Then I must downvote.
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@gąska said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ IT Crowd? Then I must downvote.
You're the wrong kind of crowd. My mom warned me against the likes of you. Fortunately @Rhywden has this nice script that I can adapt to my needs.
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@kt_ @SpectateSwamp's script can probably adapt @Rhywden's script for you.
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Is he? I’ve never seen him paint or compose music.
Maybe he's the kind who counts dropped boxes of toothpicks.
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Windows decided to update something. Now my system font has ~16px on a 4k monitor.
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@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Windows decided to update something. Now my system font has ~16px on a 4k monitor.
Application decides to lie about high DPI support. Hilarity ensues.
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@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Application decides to lie about high DPI support. Hilarity ensues.
The application is Explorer.
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@zmaster said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Application decides to lie about high DPI support. Hilarity ensues.
The application is Explorer.
WOMM (yes, I have a 4k monitor)
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@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@zmaster said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Application decides to lie about high DPI support. Hilarity ensues.
The application is Explorer.
WOMM (yes, I have a 4k monitor)
Works great for me, too, though my 4k is 40" so a 16 px system font is perfect.
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@mott555 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@zmaster said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Application decides to lie about high DPI support. Hilarity ensues.
The application is Explorer.
WOMM (yes, I have a 4k monitor)
Works great for me, too, though my 4k is 40" so a 16 px system font is perfect.
Ok, I'd better clarify my above! (LOL). 23" monitor.
On a different note (serious), maybe the DPI scaling setting somehow got set to 100%? (My desktop is 200, laptop is 250)
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My start menu got reset. MS.
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@bb36e said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
My start menu got reset. MS.
The Start Menu is just another App, and one of the ways Windows fixes broken Apps is to reset them. Because why would you want to save your configuration?
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Update: on the question of shutting down.
Well, the other day I finally worked out a less drastic solution to the "why the fucking fuck does it fucking restore all my fucking running fucking programs every time I shut it down and restart it, the stupid fucker?" problem:
There are two GUI-oriented ways to initiate a shut down on a Windows 95-or-later machine:
- Open the Start menu, use the shutdown command.
- Give the desktop focus and press Alt+F4.
The first hibernates the running applications then shuts down. The second closes the running applications without hibernating them, then shuts down.
Slightly opaque is what I'd call that.
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Wait a minute, are you saying transferring files via Bluetooth used to require Wi-Fi or the Internet?
Also, hasn't this been a basic component of most Bluetooth stacks since shortly after it was being used as a virtual serial cable?
What's next, IrDA?Also, better text contrast does not pair well with more transparency... Not sure what they're saying here...
Every interface that's been eye-controlled has mostly sucked as an input device. Wonder what they're doing this time...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Wait a minute, are you saying transferring files via Bluetooth used to require Wi-Fi or the Internet?
Also, hasn't this been a basic component of most Bluetooth stacks since shortly after it was being used as a virtual serial cable?
What's next, IrDA?Also, better text contrast does not pair well with more transparency... Not sure what they're saying here...
Every interface that's been eye-controlled has mostly sucked as an input device. Wonder what they're doing this time...
Eye control does have a use for quadriplegics, and it being built into the OS hopefully makes it slightly less shit than add on systems.
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@carnage said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Eye control does have a use for quadriplegics
Also for people with problems with hand tremors.
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@carnage said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Wait a minute, are you saying transferring files via Bluetooth used to require Wi-Fi or the Internet?
Also, hasn't this been a basic component of most Bluetooth stacks since shortly after it was being used as a virtual serial cable?
What's next, IrDA?Also, better text contrast does not pair well with more transparency... Not sure what they're saying here...
Every interface that's been eye-controlled has mostly sucked as an input device. Wonder what they're doing this time...
Eye control does have a use for quadriplegics, and it being built into the OS hopefully makes it slightly less shit than add on systems.
Depends very strongly on whether the shitness of the existing systems comes from not being built into the OS or from the fact that telling where someone's eyes are pointing is inherently difficult. If you were to ask me, I'd suggest that it's partly crap software (and even built-ins can be crap), partly crap sensors, and partly a difficult problem, and that built-in versus add-on is almost totally irrelevant.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Wait a minute, are you saying transferring files via Bluetooth used to require Wi-Fi or the Internet?
No, they are not saying that.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@carnage said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Wait a minute, are you saying transferring files via Bluetooth used to require Wi-Fi or the Internet?
Also, hasn't this been a basic component of most Bluetooth stacks since shortly after it was being used as a virtual serial cable?
What's next, IrDA?Also, better text contrast does not pair well with more transparency... Not sure what they're saying here...
Every interface that's been eye-controlled has mostly sucked as an input device. Wonder what they're doing this time...
Eye control does have a use for quadriplegics, and it being built into the OS hopefully makes it slightly less shit than add on systems.
Depends very strongly on whether the shitness of the existing systems comes from not being built into the OS or from the fact that telling where someone's eyes are pointing is inherently difficult. If you were to ask me, I'd suggest that it's partly crap software (and even built-ins can be crap), partly crap sensors, and partly a difficult problem, and that built-in versus add-on is almost totally irrelevant.
I truthfully have never really managed to generate any interrest in eye tracking, but the general availability of studies on the topic of where people are looking that use eye tracking and that the researchers are fairly satisfied with data integrity in their studies has made me thing that the technical aspects of eye tracking is fairly solved, and that OSes, or rather addon systems for OSes, are utterly shit at it is mostly an implementation detail.
However, as I said, my level of interrest in the field is very, very low.
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@heterodox said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Wait a minute, are you saying transferring files via Bluetooth used to require Wi-Fi or the Internet?
No, they are not saying that.
Indeed, it sounds like they're saying that you can now do it via Bluetooth, as if though it weren't offered as a feature.
In saying that, I haven't transferred a file via Bluetooth since I had a Nokia E63 back in 2009.
Also, I thought that it was part of the Windows bluetooth stack since Windows 7 at least anyway? Unless they mean doing it via the UWP Share feature.
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@douglasac said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Also, I thought that it was part of the Windows bluetooth stack since Windows 7 at least anyway?
Well, depends on what you mean. It's hard to separate the "Windows Bluetooth stack" from the Broadcom Bluetooth software that almost always is installed along with the hardware. I've definitely been able to send files via Bluetooth in Windows 7, but I'm pretty sure that capability doesn't exist any more if you uninstall the Broadcom software. I think without the software you just have audio, maybe HID, the real basic stuff.
Unless they mean doing it via the UWP Share feature.
Yeah, maybe.
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@heterodox said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Well, depends on what you mean. It's hard to separate the "Windows Bluetooth stack" from the Broadcom Bluetooth software that almost always is installed along with the hardware. I've definitely been able to send files via Bluetooth in Windows 7, but I'm pretty sure that capability doesn't exist any more if you uninstall the Broadcom software. I think without the software you just have audio, maybe HID, the real basic stuff.
This is true, I have usually never installed the Bluetooth software personally unless it was showing up as an angry yellow exclamation point device in Device Manager (usually Intel bluetooth). I never really use it on my machines these days so I can't say for sure what it does or doesn't do without it.
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@douglasac said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
This is true, I have usually never installed the Bluetooth software personally unless it was showing up as an angry yellow exclamation point device in Device Manager (usually Intel bluetooth). I never really use it on my machines these days so I can't say for sure what it does or doesn't do without it.
I have noticed that in Windows 8/Windows 10 there's a lot more built into the OS, I've never seen the "missing driver" on those versions, and everything's managed through Control Panel/Settings. So Microsoft's obviously been doing a lot more to reduce their reliance on the Broadcom/Widcomm software.
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Incidentally, if you think the Broadcom driver is bad, I bought a cheapass Bluetooth dongle years ago and it didn't even bother having a driver that integrated with Windows at all. Instead, it included some crappy BlueSoleil software that was literally the worst possible thing I have had the misfortune to use.
It had its own godawful app instead of using any of the tools that Windows did have which were rudimentary but worked and weren't ugly, awful and badly translated from Chinese.
Out of curiosity I googled it. It's still a thing and the UI has basically added tabs in ten years and nothing else. How it is still a thing baffles me.
Also, back on topic of the update, my grandparent's computer has been trying to update to Fall Creators Update for the past few weeks apparently (I've been travelling for work and the grandmother was in hospital for a few weeks so was a low priority until they were both at home and I went to visit them there this week and they asked).
Apparently, their 1.5mbit ADSL is not fast enough to download the update even if they leave the computer running for 24 hours or more, so I am having to download it at home on my 5mbit ADSL, put it on a flash drive and do the update manually that way when I visit next time.
Of course, downloading it at home assumes that our internet provider hasn't decided that weekly outages were far too infrequent and that we should get them every other day or something else equally stupid.