All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...
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@julianlam - Wish granted [well at least the ability...this is NOT an offer to buy you one]
http://www.mobilegeeks.com/best-smartphones-removable-battery/
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Someone needs to have a word with the sub' there:
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Are all those 'essentials' a shitty joke or just bad writing?
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@coldandtired people have been joking about the lack of other 'essential' features like the headphone jack, etc, so I think the phone name/company name is just marketing.
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Samsung galaxy s5 active.
Waterproof. Shock proof case. Physical home, back and context button. No tool removable of back case plate to remove battery.
I carry a spare, charged battery with me for emergencies.
Can be rooted, don't know about alternate oses, though.
Posting on one now.
You're welcome.
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Also: ir port. Meaning the phone can become a tv remote. Meaning one can surreptitiously turn down the volume on tv's in doctors waiting rooms playing daytime talk shows...
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Physical home, back and context button
Sounded good up to that point
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Physical home, back and context button
Sounded good up to that point
Enjoy you(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)r virtu(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)al touch bu(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)tons
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edit had to write this three times because kept accidentally touching near the virtual "back" button, which took me back and erased my post.
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@lorne-kates I'm not sure how on-screen buttons is much different from below-the-screen buttons - both are susceptible to accidental presses when touching the screen, but with on-screen buttons you can change the arrangement of them as you like via software.
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@lb_ you can also have them hidden in full screen apps so there's no chance of accidentally touching them
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Physical home, back and context button
Sounded good up to that point
I miss my physical buttons....
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@lb_ said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates I'm not sure how on-screen buttons is much different from below-the-screen buttons - both are susceptible to accidental presses when touching the screen, but with on-screen buttons you can change the arrangement of them as you like via software.
With hardware buttons, you can touch them and they don't do anything until you actually press them. And how often are you really re-arranging your softbuttons?
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lb_ you can also have them hidden in full screen apps so there's no chance of accidentally touching them
WTF is a not-full-screen app?
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@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
With hardware buttons, you can touch them and they don't do anything until you actually press them.
I must have had a different kind of hardware button then. The kind of hardware buttons I had on my previous phones were touch-sensitive. There was no difference between a touch and a press.
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@lb_ said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
With hardware buttons, you can touch them and they don't do anything until you actually press them.
I must have had a different kind of hardware button then. The kind of hardware buttons I had on my previous phones were touch-sensitive. There was no difference between a touch and a press.
That's not a hardware button then, that's a capacitive simulated-hardware button, which is definitely worse than both software (aka on-screen) buttons and hardware buttons.
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@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lb_ you can also have them hidden in full screen apps so there's no chance of accidentally touching them
WTF is a not-full-screen app?
Non full screen
Status bar and capacitive buttons visible
Full screen
No chrome at all, everything's dedicated to the app. Swipe down from the top to reveal buttons and status bar
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lb_ you can also have them hidden in full screen apps so there's no chance of accidentally touching them
WTF is a not-full-screen app?
Non full screen
Status bar and capacitive buttons visible
Full screen
No chrome at all, everything's dedicated to the app. Swipe down from the top to reveal buttons and status bar
Huh. I though that was called "immersive mode", but apparently the full title is called
TIL.
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@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
That's not a hardware button then, that's a capacitive simulated-hardware button, which is definitely worse than both software (aka on-screen) buttons and hardware buttons.
Not really. This is what my capacitive button cluster looks like:
And in practice I only ever hit them when I intend to.
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Full screen
Text is not from Bionic Six mpreg self-insert slashfic. 0/10.
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@hungrier said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Not really. This is what my capacitive button cluster looks like:
Yes, that's the sort of touch-buttons I'm used to seeing. They're part of the phone (just like the physical buttons)-- which is why I'm always confused at people who complain about hardware buttons taking up screen-real-estate.
@hungrier said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
And in practice I only ever hit them when I intend to.
In practice. :nod:
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
that's the sort of touch-buttons I'm used to seeing
I hear they were quite common when Firefox 22 was announced.
Buttons as part of the screen, like almost all Androids have had for years, means when you don't need the buttons they don't take up any screen real estate.
I can also count on the fingers of one foot the number of times in the last month or so that I've accidentally hit them instead of what I meant to hit at the bottom of the screen. Do you have shaky hands from the adrenaline of killing all those trans hookers?
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
that's the sort of touch-buttons I'm used to seeing
I hear they were quite common when Firefox 22 was announced.
Buttons as part of the screen, like almost all Androids have had for years, means when you don't need the buttons they don't take up any screen real estate.
I can also count on the fingers of one foot the number of times in the last month or so that I've accidentally hit them instead of what I meant to hit at the bottom of the screen. Do you have shaky hands from the adrenaline of killing all those trans hookers?
No, but my keyboard is literally 2mm from the activation area of them (approximately) so I ended up enabling a spacer feature to move it up a bit.
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@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
What the fuck is that keyboard fuck that.
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@heterodox Minimum keyboard. I tried it for a while but didn't really get on with it
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@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@heterodox Minimum keyboard. I tried it for a while but didn't really get on with it
Minuum. I like it because it encourages hunt-and-peck typing without the hunt. One thing I don't like is usually Chrome breaks it for raisins.
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Physical home, back and context button
Sounded good up to that point
Enjoy you(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)r virtu(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)al touch bu(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)tons
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edit had to write this three times because kept accidentally touching near the virtual "back" button, which took me back and erased my post.
Wow. You're really bad at touchscreens aren't you?
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@sloosecannon said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Wow. You're really bad at touchscreens aren't you?
One handed whilst shaking vigorously.
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
shaking vigorously.
Yeah, tremors suck. That would make it hard to use a touchscreen, I guess...
Filed Under: Intentionally missing the point
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@sloosecannon said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@jaloopa said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Physical home, back and context button
Sounded good up to that point
Enjoy you(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)r virtu(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)al touch bu(accidentally touches near virtual buttons, goes to home screen, navigate back to Chrome)tons
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edit had to write this three times because kept accidentally touching near the virtual "back" button, which took me back and erased my post.
Wow. You're really bad at touchscreens aren't you?
Fat fingers and small screen. Bad combo.
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All phone batteries are removable. You just need to buy a few tiny phillips screwdrivers and watch some Youtube videos. The battery is, by design and by necessity, the most accessible component of every phone I've taken apart (probably all mobile phones, for all I know). Putting in a new one isn't a big deal.
Unless you're one of those people who wants to carry around 2 or 7 extra batteries and swap them out on the fly during the day. I don't understand your use case and have no solutions for you.
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@aapis said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
All phone batteries are removable.
have you SEEN the iphone?
that's the very definition of NUSPI.
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@aapis said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
All phone batteries are removable.
In the case of my old phone you'd also need to remove a ribbon cable running right over the battery (ideally with another tool so you didn't accidentally fuck something up). Saying all phone batteries are removable is just being intentionally obtuse. "Sure, you can remove the battery if you unscrew these four tiny screws, pry the casing open, and pull this cable out of the mainboard!"
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@aapis said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
All phone batteries are removable. You just need to buy a few tiny phillips screwdrivers and watch some Youtube videos. The battery is, by design and by necessity, the most accessible component of every phone I've taken apart (probably all mobile phones, for all I know). Putting in a new one isn't a big deal.
I take it you haven't read the OP then.
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@accalia said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@aapis said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
All phone batteries are removable.
have you SEEN the iphone?
that's the very definition of NUSPI.
Not only that, but certain parts contain DRM such that replacing them "breaks" software using it.
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@aapis said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
All phone batteries are removable
at least once.
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@tsaukpaetra said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@accalia said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@aapis said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
All phone batteries are removable.
have you SEEN the iphone?
that's the very definition of NUSPI.
Not only that, but certain parts contain DRM such that replacing them "breaks" software using it.
Or are covered in glue that's going to be difficult to replace properly.
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
One handed whilst shaking vigorously.
No, it's the other hand you're supposed to shake vigorously.
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@benjamin-hall said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Or are covered in glue that's going to be difficult to replace properly.
FYI: I just replaced the battery on Heather's iPhone 5s. It did involve:
- Using special screwdrivers to take out two tiny screws; try not to lose them
- use a suction cup to pull up the screen
- use prying tools to pry loose the screen, because the suction cup alone didn't work
- be very careful not to pull TOO MUCH on the screen, or it'll snap a cable
- use another pry tool to remove the cover from the ribbon cable I'm trying not to break
- remove the ribbon cable, can finally remove screen
- proceed to take out 6 more #0 phillips screws
- remove three overlapping ribbon cables
- can now finally remove battery ribbon
- use tweezers to unfold protective cover over glue strips holding battery in place
- pull up the glue strips by literally ripping them out from under the battery
- fail to get all the glue, so have to pry up the old battery, folding and cracking it in the process
- praying that the battery won't explode now (it didn't)
- carefully lay down a new glue strip (incorrectly, but thankfully everything will be sandwiched in place anyways)
- lay down a new battery
- put back those 4 ribbon cables (each of which are, like, 2mm wide, so fun fun fun)
- put back the 6 #0 phillips screws. One of them wasn't magnetized like the others, so it fell into the abyss and was never seen again
- put the screen half on
- use three hands to put the last ribbon cable back in place and snap the protective cover over it
- snap the screen in place
- power up and pray the thing works
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- put those last two screws in
Total time: 40 minutes
Also, recently, I changed the battery on my Samsung Active by:
- using my fingernail to pop open the back case, which just pops off, because it was designed to do that
- remove the battery that is just held in place by a normal spring system
- put the new battery in
- snap the case back in place
Total time: 30 seconds (33, because I sneezed once)
That's the difference between user replacable, and "user replacable if the user is a technician and has the tools and an hour and a tutorial".
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- pray, because when I tried to replace the battery on her father's iPhone 4, something went wrong and the whole phone died. My fault. Picked up a new one for $40 for him
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While we're on the subject of phone repairs, does anyone know of a guide to replacing the USB port on a Moto X play? A cursory Google resulted in lots of hits for the Pure but none for the Play and I don't know how similar they are
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
That's the difference between user replacable, and "user replacable if the user is a technician and has the tools and an hour and a tutorial".
I don't think we should be requiring consumer devices to be fixable by third parties. Instead, we should give the manufacturer the ability to opt out of that by having them replace the device with a wholly new one (of equivalent position in product line-up as when the first device was purchased) at their cost, inclusive of any labour and charges for conveying the device by post or courier, for a Reasonable amount of time. I think 5 years would be pretty reasonable for a phone.
It might cost the manufacturers a little bit to do this, but they can always choose to make devices that can be easily fixed by third parties instead. Freedom Of Choice!
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Man, if I couldn't easily remove the battery of my Galaxy S5 Mini, I would probably have asked for a refund, because it sometimes hangs in such way that only removing the battery seems to work.
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@medinoc said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Man, if I couldn't easily remove the battery of my Galaxy S5 Mini, I would probably have asked for a refund, because it sometimes hangs in such way that only removing the battery seems to work.
Should be able to reset via buttons too. On my phone it's power+volume down+5-10 seconds. I've never seen that mode of reset fail, although I suppose it's theoretically possible.
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@dkf said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
It might cost the manufacturers a little bit to do this, but they can always choose to make devices that can be easily fixed by third parties instead. Freedom Of Choice!
Am I supposed to call you a communist, socialist or libertarian?
Also, do I post an over-reacting meme about nanny states before or after the insult?
I mean, I agree with you, that better regulations will result in better products, but apparently I'm supposed to insult you for it?
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@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Am I supposed to call you a communist, socialist or libertarian?
Since when do you care? Just pick something and go with it. Truth is a to insults.
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@sloosecannon said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Should be able to reset via buttons too. On my phone it's power+volume down+5-10 seconds. I've never seen that mode of reset fail, although I suppose it's theoretically possible.
Don't you have a Pixel? Just holding power button for 10 seconds is the hardware reset (as you say, theoretically can't fail); if you do Power + Volume Down, I think it'll prompt you to factory reset, so I don't recommend doing that in case you then hit Volume Down + Power in that order by way of muscle spasm.
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@sloosecannon said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
On my phone it's power+volume down+5-10 seconds.
On every phone I've tried, just holding power eventually resets it.
Likely 'd
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@antiquarian said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@lorne-kates said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Am I supposed to call you a communist, socialist or libertarian?
Since when do you care? Just pick something and go with it. Truth is a to insults.
I still have so much to learn.
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@lorne-kates If it helps, in my time here at TDWTF, I've been accused both by liberals of being a conservative, and by conservatives of being a liberal, so there's more than ample precedent.
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@heterodox said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
@sloosecannon said in All I want for Christmas is a removable battery...:
Should be able to reset via buttons too. On my phone it's power+volume down+5-10 seconds. I've never seen that mode of reset fail, although I suppose it's theoretically possible.
Don't you have a Pixel? Just holding power button for 10 seconds is the hardware reset (as you say, theoretically can't fail); if you do Power + Volume Down, I think it'll prompt you to factory reset, so I don't recommend doing that in case you then hit Volume Down + Power in that order by way of muscle spasm.
Huh, really? TIL
Never had it try to do a factory reset. Unless that's the default option in the bootloader (which I think is power+vol down).
I've been doing power+vol down since like my first phone though, so.... yeah. Good to know :P