What kind of git created this software?
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@captain said in What kind of git created this software?:
I'd really love to know what data structure you would use to write programs with that is so much better than text.
Who knows. Maybe there isn't one.
What disgusts me is the utter lack of imagination, innovation (or even willingness to innovate), and sheer laziness of most developers.
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@blakeyrat How do you know it's laziness, lack of imagination, etc, and not experience?
A lot of "innovative," "imaginative" ideas I see these days are things that have been done before, that failed because they turned out to be bad ideas.
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@blakeyrat So you don't have ideas, aren't working on the problem, and are lecturing us because we see the value of the good enough solution.
Typing is easy. Typing sequences of instructions is easy, in principle. The hard part is knowing which instruction to write when. And that problem wouldn't go away with a GUI.
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@masonwheeler said in What kind of git created this software?:
@blakeyrat How do you know it's laziness, lack of imagination, etc, and not experience?
Because I'm talking to people lacking so much imagination they are saying stuff that Microsoft Excel does RIGHT NOW THE INSTANT does not and can not exist.
I don't trust that someone who isn't even aware of Excel's macro recorder has already tried and exhausted every single possible way of expressing scripting.
@masonwheeler said in What kind of git created this software?:
A lot of "innovative," "imaginative" ideas I see these days are things that have been done before, that failed because they turned out to be bad ideas.
Right; and a lot turned out to be good idea, and a lot turned out to be bad ideas at the time they were done but 20 years later turned into good ideas with zero changes to them.
But our industry never advances because we never revisit 20 year old ideas, there's no sense of history, no sense of progress. Nobody's standing on the shoulders of giants, we're all eating out of the pig troughs of 1970s Unix beardos.
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
Nobody's standing on the shoulders of giants, we're all eating out of the pig troughs of 1970s Unix beardos.
You mean we're standing on the shoulders of giants?
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
Because I'm talking to people lacking so much imagination they are saying stuff that Microsoft Excel does RIGHT NOW THE INSTANT does not and can not exist.
I don't trust that someone who isn't even aware of Excel's macro recorder has already tried and exhausted every single possible way of expressing scripting.Who?
I look up and I see someone talking about how that's done by creating VBA code. And I see me talking about how Xamarin has a general-purpose macro recorder (similar to what you describe AppleScript doing) that works by generating C# code. It's possible I missed something, but I don't see anyone saying it's not possible to create a GUI macro recorder.
@shoulder-alien, leave @blakeyrat alone already!
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
Because I'm talking to people lacking so much imagination they are saying stuff that Microsoft Excel does RIGHT NOW THE INSTANT does not and can not exist.
You're lying about what Excel does.
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
You're lying about what Excel does.
When did that happen?
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
You're lying about what Excel does.
When did that happen?
Every fucking time. You are trying to make us all believe that the VBA coming from Excel isn't text.
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
Every fucking time. You are trying to make us all believe that the VBA coming from Excel isn't text.
When did I say ... anything even slightly this? Quote me, please. What the fuck are you talking about?
I never typed a single word about VBA until this very post. You'll pulling shit out of your own ass and telling me I did it again. I'm not responsible for the contents of your warped mind; I'm only responsible for stuff I actually typed and hit "submit" on.
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
Every fucking time. You are trying to make us all believe that the VBA coming from Excel isn't text.
When did I say ... anything even slightly this? Quote me, please. What the fuck are you talking about?
I never typed a single word about VBA until this very post. You'll pulling shit out of your own ass and telling me I did it again. I'm not responsible for the contents of your warped mind; I'm only responsible for stuff I actually typed and hit "submit" on.
Now you're denying ever talking about the Excel macro recorder?
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
Now you're denying ever talking about the Excel macro recorder?
No; I'm denying talking about VBA. Go up and read it again. Read it really slowly. Reeeaaally slowly. Read the words on the screen. Get it? That's the part I typed. That's the part it's ok for you to respond to.
Or I'll just ignore this thread since it's now hopeless. Why do you feel the need to make up shit then attribute it to me? Goddamned. At least when you were just calling me stupid every post I kind of understood your motives. ("To be the world's hugest jackass.") I don't even know what you gain by making shit up like this.
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
whatever it is that @blakeyrat thinks happens when you record a macro.
When you record a macro, a model is trained for the AI that will be used later during playback. The model is in binary, containing a bunch of weights.
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
@raceprouk said in What kind of git created this software?:
@wft said in What kind of git created this software?:
You can create a branch, switch to it, brew a coffee, and make a sandwich with one of those.
Only if you have
sudo
privileges :PObligatory xkcd:
Someone explain me this meme
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@masonwheeler said in What kind of git created this software?:
@arantor said in What kind of git created this software?:
Better still, diff a PNG.
Oooh, neat! I didn't know it could do that.
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
For instance, some video codecs (or whatever the word is) are based on the differences from one frame to another.
Of course, the codec's view of what is a meaningful difference and a human's view may differ considerably.
http://datamoshing.com/
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@wharrgarbl said in What kind of git created this software?:
@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
@raceprouk said in What kind of git created this software?:
@wft said in What kind of git created this software?:
You can create a branch, switch to it, brew a coffee, and make a sandwich with one of those.
Only if you have
sudo
privileges :PObligatory xkcd:
Someone explain me this meme
It's from the Community Server days. People would (apparently) overuse XKCD images, so the mods (or just @PJH) started replacing all occurences of XKCD images with pictures of Rosie O'Donnell.
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@wharrgarbl The woman in the picture. :P
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@wharrgarbl said in What kind of git created this software?:
@dreikin said in What kind of git created this software?:
Rosie O'Donnell.
And who is her?
An American comedian. I don't know why they chose her specifically.
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@arantor said in What kind of git created this software?:
I guess you never have images in your environment, like, ever. Or better still, SVGs, where diffing is totally unhelpful to understanding the changes.
SVGs would usually work with an XML structure diff, though that'd only present one way of looking at the differences (which might or might not be the most helpful one). There are also algorithms for diffing images, but the output isn't always that helpful; you can see the changes easily enough, but determining what they mean isn't easy and sometimes you'd be better with the diffing algorithms developed by computer vision researchers (though those are wildly different). Also, the pixel-based algorithms aren't really suited for most SVGs, as the SVG format is internally more like a program for generating the image (and so has some parallels with PDF and PS, though a quite different syntax).
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
Now you're denying ever talking about the Excel macro recorder?
No; I'm denying talking about VBA. Go up and read it again. Read it really slowly. Reeeaaally slowly. Read the words on the screen. Get it? That's the part I typed. That's the part it's ok for you to respond to.
Or I'll just ignore this thread since it's now hopeless. Why do you feel the need to make up shit then attribute it to me? Goddamned. At least when you were just calling me stupid every post I kind of understood your motives. ("To be the world's hugest jackass.") I don't even know what you gain by making shit up like this.
You didn't explicitly mention VBA. You know what does? The Excel Macro Recorder documentation:
When you record a macro, the macro recorder records all the steps in Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) code.
Meaning that by talking about the Excel Macro Recorder, you're implicitly talking about VBA.
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@powerlord said in What kind of git created this software?:
@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
Now you're denying ever talking about the Excel macro recorder?
No; I'm denying talking about VBA. Go up and read it again. Read it really slowly. Reeeaaally slowly. Read the words on the screen. Get it? That's the part I typed. That's the part it's ok for you to respond to.
Or I'll just ignore this thread since it's now hopeless. Why do you feel the need to make up shit then attribute it to me? Goddamned. At least when you were just calling me stupid every post I kind of understood your motives. ("To be the world's hugest jackass.") I don't even know what you gain by making shit up like this.
You didn't explicitly mention VBA. You know what does? The Excel Macro Recorder documentation:
When you record a macro, the macro recorder records all the steps in Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) code.
Meaning that by talking about the Excel Macro Recorder, you're implicitly talking about VBA.
So if I'm talking about Visual Studio's syntax highlighting, I must be talking about WPF?
@blakeyrat's point is that it being turned into VBA behind the scenes is just an implementation detail - there's no reason it has to be that way, and from the user's perspective during the macro recording process, it's not being made that way: the VBA is an end-of-process translation of the recording that the user may not even know about.
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Guys, guys, stop bickering. You probably don't know it's possible to define whatever diff tools there can be for any file type, it's just that they aren't included by default.
Because, guess what, people needing to version control Vegas timelines, when compared to the bulk of programmers who need to version control textual data, are too few and far between to spend lots and lots of time to cater for their needs.
Anyway, an example of image diffing:
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@dreikin said in What kind of git created this software?:
It's from the Community Server days. People would (apparently) overuse XKCD images, so the mods (or just @PJH) started replacing all occurences of XKCD images with pictures of Rosie O'Donnell.
I didn't start it - can't remember who did.
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@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
No; I'm denying talking about VBA. Go up and read it again. Read it really slowly. Reeeaaally slowly. Read the words on the screen. Get it? That's the part I typed. That's the part it's ok for you to respond to.
So you just don't know what you're doing or talking about. OK, I can live with that.
@blakeyrat said in What kind of git created this software?:
Or I'll just ignore this thread since it's now hopeless. Why do you feel the need to make up shit then attribute it to me? Goddamned. At least when you were just calling me stupid every post I kind of understood your motives. ("To be the world's hugest jackass.") I don't even know what you gain by making shit up like this.
No, I'm calling you stupid here, too, because you're insisting on things that are not true.
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@dreikin said in What kind of git created this software?:
An American comedian. I don't know why they chose her specifically.
If you understood @morbiuswilters' sense of humor you'd understand.
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@pjh said in What kind of git created this software?:
I didn't start it - can't remember who did.
@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
That probably answers that then....
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@boomzilla said in What kind of git created this software?:
@dreikin said in What kind of git created this software?:
An American comedian. I don't know why they chose her specifically.
If you understood @morbiuswilters' sense of humor you'd understand.
I missed out on morbs; I started browsing the forums around the time @snoofle was writing their epic, near the end of the CS days.
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@masonwheeler said in What kind of git created this software?:
First, how would you express the difference in a clear, concise presentation manner?
How are visual things normally presented? Is there any reason you couldn't just have two of them, with some kind of highlighting to indicate said changes?
@masonwheeler said in What kind of git created this software?:
Second, how precise would the display of difference sections be?
How do you get more or less precision in the visual normally? I would assume the same mechanisms would apply there too.
@masonwheeler said in What kind of git created this software?:
Third, how would you represent stretches of the timeline where there is no difference?
That's easy, no highlighting! ;)