Lenovo's are shitty garbage
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@bulb said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
It seems rare.
Wow...I use it many times each day. The most common must be typing Jira ticket names.
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@kt_ said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
I also hate how the business line has fn as the outermost key in the lowest row on the left hand side, you know, where ctrl usually is, with the actual ctrl key being right next to it on the right. What the fuck?! NO ONE does that.
I hate that. One of my earlier Lenovo's did that (I swapped it in bios). All the recent ones fixed that shit.
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@boomzilla I used to use the caps lock key, but over time I got used to holding down the shift key with my left pinky. I can now type full sentences that way naturally
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@kt_ said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
fn key is activated by default
You can usually turn that off. I believe the keycombo is Fn+Esc, but look on the keyboard for a key with a secondary label of "Fn Lck".
Yes, the function lock "function" needs to die in a fire. My client company uses Lenovos pretty much exclusively, and some of their weird keyboard shenanigans suck balls.
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@darkmatter My Asus ROG laptop's keyboard is pretty much identical to a normal keyboard. It even has a number pad!
The thing is pretty massive as well, but it's actually not as heavy as it looks. It costs about $2500 though (I got mine through Amazon on sale and with a bunch of credits due to a prior pricing error on another order, so it cost me about $1000).
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When I was looking around for my current laptop, the keyboard layout was the one thing I would not compromise on. I ended up with this
I like the really like Home/End Page Up/Down being on the right edge, where I can hit them reliably without looking. All the other keys are pretty sensible as well.
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Did someone say "the worst keyboard layout in the world"? No? Well here it is anyway:
That's the already horrible Canadian bilingual keyboard layout, with an additional column of shortcut keys on the left. Who needs a full-size shift key when you can print instead?
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Oh, are we just posting images of bad keyboards now?
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@jaloopa OH SNAP SHOTS FIRED
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@jaloopa Are we changing it for old keyboards? My first keyboard was one of these:
I don't remember what the keys "L GRA" and "R GRA" are for.
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@wharrgarbl L GRA is the approximate sound I make when people start filling up a thread with photos of keyboards for no reason.
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@boomzilla said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@asdf said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
I'm pretty sure that's the only reason why they still put a caps lock key on keyboards.
People really don't use their CAPS-LOCK?
I never have, TBH. Not doing so forces me to slow down typing, making absolutely certain I REALLY WANT TO HELL AT SOMEONE!
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@e4tmyl33t said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@kt_ said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
fn key is activated by default
You can usually turn that off. I believe the keycombo is Fn+Esc, but look on the keyboard for a key with a secondary label of "Fn Lck".
Of course I did that, but of course it's dumb as hell nevertheless.
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@kt_ said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@e4tmyl33t said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@kt_ said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
fn key is activated by default
You can usually turn that off. I believe the keycombo is Fn+Esc, but look on the keyboard for a key with a secondary label of "Fn Lck".
Of course I did that, but of course it's dumb as hell nevertheless.Oh, I know. It drove us barmy when we rolled out the first X240s to the field and couldn't figure out why some of the keys weren't working right and the ESC key was lit up.
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@wharrgarbl said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@jaloopa Are we changing it for old keyboards? My first keyboard was one of these:
I don't remember what the keys "L GRA" and "R GRA" are for.
My first keyboard was this one and it was the greatest!
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@dkf said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@cartman82 said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
"A simple reboot fixes it"
According to a colleague who used to do L1 support, that fixes about 80% of all queries. Can't argue with those figures…
Reboot 'N' times for 99.9999 confidence
What is 'N'?
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Creator's Update.
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@jaloopa said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Oh, are we just posting images of bad keyboards now?
But that's a good keyboard. It can survive a nuclear explosion and can be repurposed as a cluebat if needed.
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
("Delete" is in the coveted top right position, the key I use roughly once a decade.)
???
As a programmer, I find myself using Delete significantly more often than Backspace. When writing normal English, I use the two more or less equally often. How do you virtually never use it?
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@darkmatter said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
don't all laptops have fucked up backspace keys from stupid non-typists designing the laptop keyboards to save space?
i've never met a laptop backspace i liked. All too fucking small/in the wrong spot.
What laptops are you using?!? I've never seen this.
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@masonwheeler said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
How do you virtually never use it?
Powers.
Maybe because I learned to type on far superior Mac Classic machines where "backspace" was called "delete" and there was no forward-delete on most of them.
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@cark said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@boomzilla I used to use the caps lock key, but over time I got used to holding down the shift key with my left pinky. I can now type full sentences that way naturally
People lose their pinky like that ing
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
"backspace" was called "delete"
that is SO backwards and ReTardeD
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@dse Because "backspace" makes so much sense. "It draws a space then moves the cursor back?"
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@blakeyrat delete is delete as most people are used to, Apple could re-invent backspace and call it natural delete or whatever works well with the geniuses. Remember you complaining about why ctrlcmay not work as expected in Linux? Well, this is the same story.
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@dse said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
delete is delete as most people are used to, Apple could re-invent backspace and call it natural delete or whatever works well with the geniuses.
The Mac was built in 1984 when most people were used to the Apple ][ behavior. Guess what the Apple ][ keyboard looked like.
So yes, Apple could have used their time machine and gone into the future, but sadly they chose not to when designing that particular keyboard. And you could have chosen to educate your dumb-ass with a bit of computing history but, likewise, you chose not to.
Incidentally, you know the highest-selling computer model of all time? The Commodore 64? Yeah. Guess how you deleted characters on that. (Pro-tip: it had no key named "backspace".)
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Incidentally, you know the highest-selling computer model of all time? The Commodore 64? Yeah. Guess how you deleted characters on that. (Pro-tip: it had no key named "backspace".)
I started learning Basic on that one, when I did not know what while means in English. Pro-tip: I do not remember the keyboard, because I did not teach myself computer history BECAUSE there is Google for that. Also, nice people teach me history in this forum all the time
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I used to say the correct location of CAPS LOCK was underneath the keyboard, covered with a plate secured with two hex screws.
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Guess how you deleted characters on that.
Hole punch?
You guys are oooollld
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Guess how you deleted characters on that
You pressed left (to go back) and pressed space?
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You joke about that.
But I used to work on software that did just that...
Then you pressed F12, because that was where the old XMIT button was.
And that carried into the GUI interface they made.
I'm sure there's some new kid started his job a few days ago and wondering why you press F12 to save records...
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@xaade said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Guess how you deleted characters on that.
Hole punch?
You guys are oooollld
Don't be silly. You type over the original character with correction tape loaded
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@xaade said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
You joke about that.
Actually no! I remember doing that...
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@dse Because "backspace" makes so much sense. "It draws a space then moves the cursor back?"
No, it does what "space" does, but backwards: move the print head. On far superior TTYs that were in use when it was named that is. "Delete" was added later in the CRT age when you had the possibility to actually delete stuff. That Backspace deletes as well was added on later. In fact some terminal emulators can still do bold the traditional way: "foo^H^H^Hfoo", backspace back over the word and print it again.
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@dse said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Apple could re-invent backspace and call it natural delete or whatever works well with the geniuses.
ITYM "alternative delete"
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@laoc said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
"Delete" was added later in the CRT age when you had the possibility to actually delete stuff.
They had some old typewriters and therefore TTY machines that could delete. It would scrub the letter like an eraser. Saw one in a lab that had a delete key. As far as how effective that was... YYMV.
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@xaade said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@laoc said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
"Delete" was added later in the CRT age when you had the possibility to actually delete stuff.
They had some old typewriters and therefore TTY machines that could delete. It would scrub the letter like an eraser. Saw one in a lab that had a delete key. As far as how effective that was... YYMV.
It was better than typing over it with HIOZ to black it out...
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@dse said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@blakeyrat delete is delete as most people are used to, Apple could re-invent backspace and call it natural delete or whatever works well with the geniuses. Remember you complaining about why ctrlcmay not work as expected in Linux? Well, this is the same story.
The backspace is distinct from the delete key, which in paper media for computers would punch out all the holes to strike out a character,
Huh, TIL.
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@kt_ said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
Huh, TIL.
It's also why the delete character is 0x7F rather than in the low space with the other control characters; the original ASCII was a seven-bit encoding, and all those bits are set in 0x7F which exactly corresponds to punching out all the holes.
The meanings of things have changed a bit since then.
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@laoc The point is that Apple and Commodore weren't making fucking teletypes, they were making computers. Why the fuck would you expect any teletype conventions to apply to a compu--
OH RIGHT open sources fans think 1975 was the best year and everything invented since then is horrible and evil, I forgot for a second.
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@blakeyrat said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@laoc The point is that Apple and Commodore weren't making fucking teletypes, they were making computers. Why the fuck would you expect any teletype conventions to apply to a compu--
As you noticed, they didn't feel bound by that convention. IBM did, because they'd been selling keyboards for a few decades then.
OH RIGHT open sources fans think 1975 was the best year and everything invented since then is horrible and evil, I forgot for a second.
VI WAS WRITTEN IN NINETEENSEVENTYFUCKINGSIX YOU RETARD!!!!!!!11
Sorry, you started the "far superior" shit :p
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@tsaukpaetra wrote
I use it whenever my mouse is too far away from the cursor to justify moving it in for a right-click.
You should try Vim. You would love Vim.
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@captain said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@tsaukpaetra wrote
I use it whenever my mouse is too far away from the cursor to justify moving it in for a right-click.
You should try Vim. You would love Vim.
But everyone talks about how hard it is to use?
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@tsaukpaetra It's easy. You start up in 'normal mode', where you can move the cursor by pressing
h
,j
,k
, orl
. You pressv
to enter selection mode, and you can copy whatever is selected with ay
. You paste withp
. You can actually type by hittingi
, which puts you in insert mode. When you're done typing, you pressesc
to go back to normal mode.You basically want to be in normal mode "all the time" unless you are actively typing. Normal mode turns your keyboard into a menu of short cuts.
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@captain Yeah, it's so easy that this question here doesn't have more than 1,100,000 views:
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@rhywden Why would anyone quit?
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@rhywden said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@captain Yeah, it's so easy that this question here doesn't have more than 1,100,000 views:
I know how to do it without looking st this question. I just type in my changes, go back to normal mode and then save my changes with a friendly
:q!
command.
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@captain said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
@rhywden Why would anyone quit?
To use other software that unfortunately hasn't been converted into a Vim plugin yet? I swear there are Jira work log messages I typed three fucking times because the reflex to hit
Esc
when I'm done typing has become so strong.
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@kt_ The
:
isn't a command. It's a mode-change, to command mode.
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@boomzilla said in Lenovo's are shitty garbage:
People really don't use their CAPS-LOCK?
The kid we hired recently uses CAPS LOCK instead of holding shift for pretty much everything. I realized when I noticed random shouting skype messages slipping through. He forgets to turn it off.