Discussion of NodeBB Updates
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Chaotic behavior often has similar properties to random.
Unless you're in a TTRPG, where "chaotic" generally means "I want to be evil, but the DM won't let me say that I'm evil. So I'll act like that anyway but call myself 'chaotic neutral'."
Even chaotic good tends to only weakly follow the good part.
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@Benjamin-Hall my interpretation of my chaotic good character was a good natured trickster. For example, I came across a bag of gems that I worked out must have been the ones stolen from another character. Instead of returning them (lawful good) or keeping them (a neutral or evil act), I decided to sneak them back to him in amusing and confusing ways, like sleight of handing one into his armour when passing him in combat
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@topspin said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Didn't someone figure out where the line of code was that was setting it? I'm sure we can put a patch in to fix it in our dockerfile like we've done for other things.
There was a link to the exact patch which is one line:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Zenith said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I don't know where people are getting 40% minimum from either.
Thanks. I've also opened an issue asking why they did it:
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Benjamin-Hall my interpretation of my chaotic good character was a good natured trickster. For example, I came across a bag of gems that I worked out must have been the ones stolen from another character. Instead of returning them (lawful good) or keeping them (a neutral or evil act), I decided to sneak them back to him in amusing and confusing ways, like sleight of handing one into his armour when passing him in combat
That's one of the "good" ways of playing CG. Generally, CG is both good (motivated mostly by concern for others, is willing to sacrifice personal gain/take risks on behalf of others) and chaotic (finds invocations of authority unpersuasive or even counterproductive, considers each act in its own context, rather than having some broad or rigid code of ethics). But lots of people play "chaotic == random" and ignore the whole good aspect or are so far to the chaos side that the good/evil side is shrunken to a single point by perspective effects.
My last party was officially (if I'd have kept track of alignment) Chaotic Chaotic. They kept to the not-evil side because I kept them firmly pointed at people who deserved any nastiness they were dishing out. Their real one redeeming factor was that they had absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who abused or enslaved women and children. Like "we will storm your castle and murder you in horrific ways if you allow your folks to take liberties with women" zero tolerance.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
That's one of the "good" ways of playing CG.
I've been thinking about a character that might be fun to play, for a little while, anyway. A wizard, but one who's really bad at wizardry. He (or she; I really haven't thought about other aspects of the character at all) also aspires to be lawful good, but is really incompetent at that, too, and is at best chaotic good.
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@HardwareGeek
Are reinventing Rinzwind?
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@Luhmann we're reinventing this thread if nothing else:
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@Luhmann said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek
Are reinventing Rinzwind?Kind of, I guess. That's what my son asked, too.
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
trying to push a rope.
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It's a common metaphor for approaching a problem from the wrong end. If you want to move a rope in one direction, you can't push on it; that won't do any good. Instead you need to pull on the other end of it.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
trying to push a rope.
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It's a common metaphor for approaching a problem from the wrong end. If you want to move a rope in one direction, you can't push on it; that won't do any good. Instead you need to pull on the other end of it.
It's also a common metaphor, in other circles, for performing coitus while flaccid.
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@Luhmann said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek
Are reinventing Rinzwind?I wouldn't say rincewind was or was trying to be Good. He's relentlessly self interested and saves the day as a side effect of saving his own skin. I'd say he was chaotic neutral
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@Jaloopa said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Luhmann said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@HardwareGeek
Are reinventing Rinzwind?I wouldn't say rincewind was or was trying to be Good. He's relentlessly self interested and saves the day as a side effect of saving his own skin. I'd say he was chaotic neutral
Reluctant Good?
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
trying to push a rope.
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It's a common metaphor for approaching a problem from the wrong end. If you want to move a rope in one direction, you can't push on it; that won't do any good. Instead you need to pull on the other end of it.
It's also a common metaphor, in other circles, for performing coitus while flaccid.
I'll admit I thought this first and decided it was reasonable enough not to question it.
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error Autism Speaks treats autism as a disease, and has the intention of "wiping out" autism, which is, by definition, eugenics.
This is like if the Lorax was a lumberjack.
Filed under: Deep cut
@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Oh, they're lobbyists.
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Next Update Status: Apparently some of the notification toasters will be going away...
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Any update on when we can migrate to the latest NodeBB version? The "minimum composer height" thing is a pain, and can't be worked around with CSS.
(It would be nice to get non-broken refreshes when editing a post too, but I'm not holding my breath.)
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@Zerosquare said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
It would be nice to get non-broken refreshes when editing a post
This!
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@Zerosquare said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
(It would be nice to get non-broken refreshes when editing a post too, but I'm not holding my breath.)
IIRC this has something to do with our custom post history plugin. Not sure if the vanilla one is up to snuff or whatever.
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@Tsaukpaetra hmm...was that it? I remember @ben_lubar saying something about a "post cache" but I have no idea what that might even be.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Tsaukpaetra hmm...was that it? I remember @ben_lubar saying something about a "post cache" but I have no idea what that might even be.
No idea. It doesn't happen on vanilla.
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@topspin said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Didn't someone figure out where the line of code was that was setting it? I'm sure we can put a patch in to fix it in our dockerfile like we've done for other things.
There was a link to the exact patch which is one line:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Zenith said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I don't know where people are getting 40% minimum from either.
Thanks. I've also opened an issue asking why they did it:
Has this been added to our instance yet? I still can't shrink the composer smaller than over half of the browser window's viewport.
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@djls45 no
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@boomzilla Any idea on a timetable for it?
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@djls45 no
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@Zerosquare said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Any update on when we can migrate to the latest NodeBB version? The "minimum composer height" thing is a pain, and can't be worked around with CSS.
(It would be nice to get non-broken refreshes when editing a post too, but I'm not holding my breath.)
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@boomzilla said in NodeBB Updates:
Updated from 1.14.0-7 to 1.14.3.
@barisu said:
I'm sure that's going to piss off someone.
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@topspin thanks for pointing that out. Was set to:
Downvotes per day (set to 0 for unlimited downvotes)
10
Downvotes per user per day (set to 0 for unlimited downvotes)
3
No, I have no idea what the difference is between those two but they're now both set to zero.
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@boomzilla Clearly the first one is shared among all users.
I do like the new composer.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I do like the new composer.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Clearly the first one is shared among all users.
So you can’t downvote anymore after Mason has finished his coffee?
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Anyway, here's a test.
Did it pass?
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@Zecc nope.
D:<
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
they're now both set to zero.
I should've kept quiet, nobody except him would've run into the 3 per day limit.
@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I do like the new composer.
Useless whitespace at both sides? Don't see how that's an improvement.
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@topspin I like that it matches the theme, basically. It used to be that only the preview was dark.
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@Zecc Ohhh a dark mode that's actually dark?
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@boomzilla said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@topspin thanks for pointing that out. Was set to:
Downvotes per day (set to 0 for unlimited downvotes)
10
Downvotes per user per day (set to 0 for unlimited downvotes)
3
No, I have no idea what the difference is between those two but they're now both set to zero.
I'd hazard the first is number of downvotes per downvoter, and the second is per downvoter/downvotee pair.
@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I do like the new composer.
Is the bottom half of the last line of the text-entry box off-screen for anyone else?
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@PleegWat it seems like the dimensions, when I click the reply or quote are based on a full height window. I can fix by changing the size of the composer. It seems to be anchored based on measuring from the top of the view. If I shrink it as small as I can go, then yes, some of it disappears.
I shudder to think about the CSS involved.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I do like the new composer.
@topspin said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Useless whitespace at both sides? Don't see how that's an improvement.
Update: I already hate it, as expected.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Update: I already hate it, as expected.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@topspin I like that it matches the theme, basically. It used to be that only the preview was dark.
Looks the same to me, but then I had my own dark composer custom CSS for a while
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composer.textarea.placeholder
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@hungrier said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Looks the same to me, but then I had my own dark composer custom CSS for a while
As did I, but it did the bare minimum: set the text color in the composer to black so I could see anything over the white background.
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@Zecc said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
As did I, but it did the bare minimum: set the text color in the composer to black so I could see anything over the white background.
Unfortunately, this did not make it to this update:
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@Zecc Your screenshot looks a lot like my custom css. I haven't commented it to see if the real version on Slate looks any different
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@hungrier said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Zecc Your screenshot looks a lot like my custom css. I haven't commented it to see if the real version on Slate looks any different
Seems like it's Darkly that's improved but Slate is still shit.
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@loopback0 Confirmed, default Slate is still unmodified and eye searing.
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@hungrier said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
composer.textarea.placeholder
I was wondering what happened to that translation...