Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?
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@Polygeekery said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I drive by Braille. Which category does that fall in?
I've never heard of someone knowing Braille instinctually, so probably algorithm.
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@cheong said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I drive by autopilot. last saturday i left the house at 0700 to pick up a quart of milk, and parked at the office twenty minutes later.
the store is five minutes from my house.
I suspect everyone who drives a lot will be like that.
Algorithm or instinct doesn't matter. Only the way that is least energy demanding will stick in the end.
I have on autopilot forgotten to make turns twice, and turned too early on autopilot I think once. This never ended in arriving at the wrong destination though.
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@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.
Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.
Were you being chased by a bear?
No, but what does that have to do with driving?
Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.
Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?
No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.
Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.
Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?
He's a strong AI trapped in a human body, so... yes?
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@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.
Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.
Were you being chased by a bear?
No, but what does that have to do with driving?
Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.
Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?
No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.
Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.
Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?
He's a strong AI trapped in a human body, so... yes?
TIL what "Weak" and "Strong" AI is.
Not sure how that makes me feel...
Also, I'm not trapped! There just doesn't exist any transfer mechanism capable of adequately transferring me to another body sufficiently intact to consider "worth it".
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.
Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.
Were you being chased by a bear?
No, but what does that have to do with driving?
Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.
Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?
No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.
Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.
Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?
He's a strong AI trapped in a human body, so... yes?
TIL what "Weak" and "Strong" AI is.
Not sure how that makes me feel...
Also, I'm not trapped! There just doesn't exist any transfer mechanism capable of adequately transferring me to another body sufficiently intact to consider "worth it".
Did you want me to deem you non-sentient? Because I don't think you're going to fail that test.
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@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.
Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.
Were you being chased by a bear?
No, but what does that have to do with driving?
Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.
Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?
No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.
Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.
Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?
He's a strong AI trapped in a human body, so... yes?
TIL what "Weak" and "Strong" AI is.
Not sure how that makes me feel...
Also, I'm not trapped! There just doesn't exist any transfer mechanism capable of adequately transferring me to another body sufficiently intact to consider "worth it".
Did you want me to deem you non-sentient? Because I don't think you're going to fail that test.
I'm not going to fail a non-sentient test?
I don't think I've ever taken such a thing, but I'm willing to try!
I'm currently reindexing scenarios based on this test, but it's slow since references keep getting invalidated due to their underlying type updating... Sometimes I really hate how my memory is mapped out...
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@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.
Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.
Were you being chased by a bear?
No, but what does that have to do with driving?
Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.
Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?
No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.
Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.
Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?
He's a strong AI trapped in a human body, so... yes?
TIL what "Weak" and "Strong" AI is.
Not sure how that makes me feel...
Also, I'm not trapped! There just doesn't exist any transfer mechanism capable of adequately transferring me to another body sufficiently intact to consider "worth it".
Did you want me to deem you non-sentient? Because I don't think you're going to fail that test.
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be formed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
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@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@pydsigner said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I did fall asleep once while driving. It was pretty scary. I was sitting in heavy traffic going on very little sleep, and I think i dozed off for a second. I woke up and got one of those adrenaline jolts.
Yeah, I found out the hard way that my body doesn't really respond very much to adrenaline. Good for about half a second of energy.
Were you being chased by a bear?
No, but what does that have to do with driving?
Well adrenaline is usually for fight-or-flight reactions, such as being chased by a bear. When you said you found out the hard way, I assumed you got mauled by a bear.
Ah. That's the trouble with assuming, eh?
No, I was driving and detected myself falling asleep, likely due to resource contention (or lack of availability thereof). Several keep-awake routines were tried, including stimulus activities such as face-slapping, obnoxiously-loud music playing, and others. When that failed, priority was given over to the Stage (which may have been a mistake, as the increase of available resources to the Stage combined with delayed access to primary and secondary memory channels ended up triggering Dream mode). At that point I decided I was in a bad situation and concluded maybe a panic attack should be induced. That.... didn't really work either, as it started a feedback loop that triggered specificity in the Stage's dream generation. So, I triggered an adrenaline release, which was enough of a jolt to cancel Dream mode but not enough to actually resolve the initial problem, so I just continued in zombie-like fashion to my destination.
Not much else is available from the experience logs, except the footnote that adrenaline has been added to the "Does not work" list, alongside various other endorphins and depressants, stimulants, etc.
Is it safe to say you're not neuro-typical?
He's a strong AI trapped in a human body, so... yes?
TIL what "Weak" and "Strong" AI is.
Not sure how that makes me feel...
Also, I'm not trapped! There just doesn't exist any transfer mechanism capable of adequately transferring me to another body sufficiently intact to consider "worth it".
Did you want me to deem you non-sentient? Because I don't think you're going to fail that test.
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be formed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
I could not completely grok this. Are we saying that a sentient being could not have the idea that there is a test to prove sentience?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be formed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be believed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
FTFM
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@dangeRuss said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
. The rest of the people in the car often fall asleep, although if my wife is sitting next to me, and we're both sleepy, she's not allowed to fall asleep, as that would make me more sleepy.
That's something that really annoyed me about my ex-wife. Almost as soon as we got in the car for a road trip, "OK, kids, nap time." I'd be left to drive in silence. No conversation to help me stay awake. No radio. No window open for fresh air — too cold, too hot (depending on the weather), too noisy.
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@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be formed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be believed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
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Repeating yourself doesn't clarify....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be formed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be believed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
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Repeating yourself doesn't clarify....
Here's a test: Are the two sentences exactly the same?
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@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be formed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
@chozang said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The idea that there's a test that could prove sentience could not be believed by a sentient being. Disproving it is a different question.
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Repeating yourself doesn't clarify....
Here's a test: Are the two sentences exactly the same?
I'm sorry, you only provided one sentence that time.
I think we've started off the wrong foot. Hello! My name is @Tsaukpaetra, how are you?
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Think about all the universes that exist where there's no being that thinks they're thinking about universes.
This post brought to you by extremely complicated chemical reactions.
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@chozang In the UK that is how it is taught. They basically teach you to be robot in a car.
For example, I was quite pleased I didn't get parallel parking on my driving test, because I can't parallel park if don't cross my hands on the wheel. I can park fine if I cross my hands which is a big no-no with the UK examiners. Why that is, I have no idea.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
They basically teach you to be robot in a car.
Depends on the instructor. Some do, some don't.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Why that is, I have no idea.
IIRC, I was taught not to cross my arms in case the airbag went off and catapulted them into my face. Though let's be honest, if the airbag goes off, I've got more important issues than a broken nose to worry about.
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@dkf It not the instructor it is the test.
Why can't I cross my arms? The reason is that most people can't do it quickly and keep the coordination to keep at least one hand on the wheel and end up letting go momentarily. I don't do that, but because most people do they will mark you down if you don't feed the wheel through.
The test is designed for quite good reason to basically make you drive like an overly nervous grandma. It bad for lads because the first thing lads do is try to push the limits of what they can deal with. I reckon the first thing they should do with young guys is basically take them to a circuit and let them spin the car out in a controlled environment.
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@lucas1 Why limit it to lads? Why not do that with everyone?
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@RaceProUK For the same reason if you are under 25 and male your insure is literally twice as much than if you are female.
The biggest discount you can get on insurance is having tits and a vag.
Men tend to take more risks, especially young men.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The biggest discount you can get on insurance is having tits and a vag.
Not anymore: the EU put a stop to that.
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@RaceProUK FFS. That is a pretty valid reason for different insurance prices. Another good reason to leave, recognising that sexual dimorphism exists.
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@lucas1 To be fair, the EU reacted to an ECJ ruling, and the ECJ can influence us whether we're in the EU or not.
It's all anyway, given that since that 'equality' ruling was passed, the gap between average prices for men and prices for women has grown, not shrunk.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@RaceProUK FFS. That is a pretty valid reason for different insurance prices. Another good reason to leave, recognising that sexual dimorphism exists.
statistics is literally all insurance is. Statistics say men cause more crashes than women, so the rates are higher for men.
yeah, i'm going with DU-UH!
sure men don't like it, but they can pull up their big girl panties and start driving better. not only would that reduce their rates, that would reduce the overall rates because there would be fewer crashes.
all legislating equal rates will do is RAISE rates for everyone.
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@accalia I totally agree. That is why I said maybe guys should have go to a racetrack and have the crap scared outta them. It is a "Pie in the sky idea", but I think how men learn is very different than women learn. But I think it should be made obvious how dangerous the vehicle is that they are driving. Because the stuff you drive while learning is so slow and tbh I ridden more powerful motorbikes than the car I learned in.
I will admit this is born out of anecdotal evidence e.g. My sister had a panic attack just because she started pulling out a roundabout too early (obviously the instructor stopped her). She ended the lesson because she was too stressed out. I've done similar stuff when I was taking lessons and it didn't bother me at all other than "BETTER NOT DO THAT AGAIN THAT WAS A DUMB MISTAKE".
I also suffer from panic attacks like my sister. It was never a problem when learning to drive.
UK Roads are actually safer (less deaths) than in the 60s and 70s even though there are like 10 times the number of people on the road. So I think the traffic enforcement is a good idea and is money well spent.
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@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Statistics say men cause more crashes than women, so the rates are higher for men.
That was my argument when this first hit Slashdot five years ago. What followed was others accusing me of pretty much every -ism under the sun. Looking back on it now, I think that was my first experience dealing with SJWs, and that was before that term even existed.
To clarify: I wasn't the only one arguing that low-risk groups should pay less. There was also these little-known groups called the Automobile Association and the Royal Automobile Club that said the same thing.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I reckon the first thing they should do with young guys is basically take them to a circuit and let them spin the car out in a controlled environment.
I've always wanted to do that!
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@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
IIRC, I was taught not to cross my arms in case the airbag went off and catapulted them into my face.
Except examiners also tell you to do the whole "ten and two o'clock" thing with your hands, which also puts them in the way of the airbags.
It's just one of those things - people avoid doing it when learning and then as soon as they pass most people do it anyway because it's better/easier to drive.
Driving lessons don't teach you to drive - they teach you to pass the test. Then you pass and most people learn to drive.@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I reckon the first thing they should do with young guys is basically take them to a circuit and let them spin the car out in a controlled environment.
They should do this with everyone because controlling the car when something goes wrong is a valuable skill.
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@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Except examiners also tell you to do the whole "ten and two o'clock" thing with your hands, which also puts them in the way of the airbags.
I was given the choice between that and 9-and-3.
I chose 9-and-3.
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@RaceProUK I drive 6. Then when I need to turn I drive 2.
I drive most of the time with one hand on the steering wheel.
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@RaceProUK I was just told it was "10 and 2" which seemed to be the experience for everyone else I've spoken to. "9 and 3" is safer with airbags. Since I passed I've gone for a combination of "9 and 3" and "gearstick/armrest and 3".
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@loopback0 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
gearstick/armrest and 3
This had me scratching my head until I realized your seat was probably on the other side...
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@loopback0 As I drive a Diesel. I tend to use the gears a lot for braking. So I tend to drive 2 / Gearstick / lap.
TBH unless I am driving for a car park I rarely need both hands to steer.
Thought I have a weird habit of using the clutch to brake. I drove a petrol recently and almost slammed into a back of another car.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
As I drive a Diesel. I tend to use the gears a lot for braking.
Thought I have a weird habit of using the clutch to brake. I drove a petrol recently and almost slammed into a back of another car.
What does driving a diesel have to do with that?
Engine braking works on either (which is actually what's happening when braking with the clutch). The only difference is that it actually occurs normally on a petrol car but has to actually be artificially provided on a diesel car because diesel engines don't have the same vacuum that a petrol engine does.
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@loopback0 The engine brake on the petrol was nothing compared to my diesel they were similarly litred cars.
The engine brake is massive on a diesel compared to a petrol car. I can almost stop the thing in 1st gear just bringing up the clutch. I would stall a petrol car in the same situation.
EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_release_engine_brake
You are talking about this. My car probably doesn't have it. (in fact it doesn't ... just googled)
If you are talking about diesel pickup that is only relevant on my car at under 1000rpm.
EDIT 2: BTW I was driving a 1.6 ford focus 3 door. My current car is a 1.7 CDTI Astra 07 (5 door).
So the car were similar.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
The engine brake is massive on a diesel compared to a petrol car.
It's not. Diesel engines have to artificially provide the vacuum, so it's equivalent to that of a petrol engined vehicle.
@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
I would stall a petrol car in the same situation.
Most diesel cars have anti-stall which most petrol cars do not. That's the difference there.
@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
You are talking about this.
No I'm talking about a vacuum pump which your car almost certainly does have.
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@loopback0 Okay.
So why can I deal with deceleration better in a diesel than a petrol, but just using the gears and the clutch?
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
So why can I deal with deceleration better in a diesel than a petrol, but just using the gears and the clutch?
It's in your head most likely.
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@loopback0 I will ignore the rudeness, but nope. All I am saying is I've noticed the opposite.
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@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
sure men don't like it, but they can pull up their big girl panties and start driving better.
Why don't women just stop being not in technology? I mean it's that simple, right?
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@ben_lubar Oh ben.
It is a discussion about driving which has nothing to do with the work place.
Statistically men have more accidents in the UK than women in the under 25s.
Men were charged more in the past because were were more likely to kill other people and cost the insurance companies more.
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@lucas1 said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
@ben_lubar Oh ben.
It is a discussion about driving which has nothing to do with the work place.
Statistically men have more accidents in the UK than women in the under 25s.
Is there some biological reason men are worse than women at driving?
If yes: why hasn't the car industry made cars that do not exhibit that problem?
If no: why blame all men for something a few men do?
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@ben_lubar said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Is there some biological reason men are worse than women at driving?
Yes, men are bigger risk takers.
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@ben_lubar said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
If yes: why hasn't the car industry made cars that do not exhibit that problem?
A sports car is something that is specifically made for male drivers. In fact men's testosterone increases when driving a Porsche.
If no: why blame all men for something a few men do?
Statistically via insurance companies that is false. There is a whole stereotype in the UK of the boy racer.
I suggest you listen to some Gaad Sad if you want to listen to how evolutionary psychology relates to the modern world.
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@ben_lubar said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Is there some biological reason men are worse than women at driving?
Biological? I'm not the one to ask there. I'm in CompSci.
And because I'm in CompSci i understand statistics and it is independently verifiable that males are more prone to being at fault in a crash than females are, and that the crashes they are involved with are on average more expensive to cover for insurance companies.
BECAUSE FUCKING MATH.
And insurance is FUCKING MATH.
Insurance is calculating risk, and then assigning a value to that risk. That assigned value is your insurance premium. The more of a risk you are insuring the more you have to pay. Because that's how fucking statistics work.
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@accalia said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
fucking statistics
Is that how more statistics are created?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
This had me scratching my head until I realized your seat was probably on the
otherwrong side...
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@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Is that how more statistics are created?
Yeah ... you just screw around in Excel until you get a new one
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@RaceProUK said in Do you drive more by algorithm or instinct?:
Is that how more statistics are created?
Where do you think standard deviation came from?
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I drive entirely by instinct to the point where I am unable to uphold a conversation or do simple math. I once threatened to kick out my step father from the car when he told me to exit at X o'clock from a roundabout; it took me three full rounds around it to comprehend what he was trying to tell me. Ever since he sticks to pointing in the direction he wants me to go.
Everything about driving is instinctive to me:
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Gearshifting, accelerating, breaking, using the engine break: entirely done by feeling and subconscious. I would need to check for myself if you asked me what gear I am currently in.
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Finding my way? Entirely by instinct. I can remember almost any place I have ever been to and have an amazing sense for direction. I don't plan my routes, I just visualize where I want to go and drive in that direction and let my instinct guide me along the right path. Because of that, I don't appear to have "burned in" routes. I have literally never driven anywhere because I wasn't paying attention. The only downside is that it is absolutely impossible for me to map names to any kind of place at all. I know literally every single road in my my hometown and any and all other towns around it, but when you tell me to go to "xyz road" I have no fucking clue what you mean. My mother finds it hilarious that she had to explain which road "xyz road" is literally several dozen times in a single month. But then again it took me two month to finally burn in the name of my now best friend when I first met him despite talking to him almost every day for those two month.
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Changing lanes, overtaking people, taking turns, adjusting my speed, all subconscious. I have to force myself to look at the tachometer to see how fast I am going because I normally just drive how fast I "feel" is right, but usually I only have to adjust by ~15 km/h. That's also why I like to drive on the Autobahn, because I just get to drive how ever fast or slow I feel is right and safe for the situation on 85% or the way.
In short, I turn into an animal behind the wheel, the only activity that is at least partially conscious about my driving is that since I need almost none of my attention span for the actual driving and pathfinding, all my attention is focused on obeserving my surroundings. My sister once said I look like a scared animal when driving because my eyes are so wide and are simultaneously staring into the distance and furiously watching any small movement, like a startled bunny watching for predators. I then just kind of drive around any people I identify as potential danger or prepare myself to react, but even that isn't really conscious.
But thats allways been that way even back when I was a little child and not the driver: In a car my head just mutes my inner voice and I just absorb my surroundings through my eyes; I don't really feel the passage of time anymore either. I can drive forever, since I am so perma-alert behind the wheel I don't get tired, I just get a headache when I get tired instead.
But hey, since I don't need my consciousness while driving and my own inner voice is entirely muted, I like to listen audiobooks or really listen to music while driving, while the females in my life like to tell me about their problems and troubles knowing they can tell it all to someone who won't interrupt and whe really listens (wether he wants to or not)
I know this is not a perfect explanation of my "instincive" way of driving, but my state of mind really feels very different from any other time of conscious thought. It's like I am immediately in a more lizard-brain version of "flow" as soon as I am behind the wheel, comparable only to when I am really into playing Battlefield or I am clutching in CS:GO.
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