Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
My parents just swapped a vowel.
I'll bet they swapped more than a vowel. Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge nudge. Nudge nudge. Know what I mean? Say no more...know what I mean?
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@LaoC said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Germany
Man...now I think I understand how you guys feel during our elections.
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
But most people don't want unlicensed drivers driving on their property.
They're also usually dead set against the uninsured from driving on their land, since the legal problems in the case of an accident are just not worth the candle. The insurers in turn usually demand that the driver has a valid license and no undischarged convictions for dangerous driving. Unsurprisingly. ;) The whole thing locks together to be really punishing against those who won't make the effort to drive safely, but fuck those guys as they really screw things over for everyone else.
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@dkf It's a great example of a working system designed to thwart the Tragedy of the Commons by redirecting the risk you transfer onto others back onto you.
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@cvi said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Because the whole point about accidents is that they are unintentional.
No idea where this quote came from:
A meteor hitting your windshield is an accident; anything else is driver error.
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@Rhywden said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
So, quit fucking acting as if this were somehow magically impossible just because you believe this is so.
If you read this thread carefully, you will notice that I never did that. Enjoy your dead straw man.
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@Rhywden said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Do you want those people on the street?
I never said that either, BTW.
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@antiquarian quoted in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
A meteor hitting your windshield is an accident; anything else is driver error.
Doesn't mean that it is your error. You could have been parked in properly marked parking space and still have some other idiot drive into you, then drive off without stopping. It's a total dick move on the part of the driver, and it happened to my sister-in-law a few days ago (her car was written off; £3500 of parts to fix an 8 year old car). Fortunately, the police caught the idiot and he immediately admitted it and he was insured, but even so.
The point is, accident or not in the global view of things, from the perspective of a single driver some events might as well be true accidents.
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@antiquarian said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@cvi said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Because the whole point about accidents is that they are unintentional.
No idea where this quote came from:
A meteor hitting your windshield is an accident; anything else is driver error.
My cousin got hit by a deer in his work vehicle.
Yes, hit by a deer, not the other way around.
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
the department of transportation owns the roadways, and the use of them is a privilege they control, just like your property is owned by you so you control the use of it.
Not sure whether the situation is exactly the same in Germany, since property does not necessarily mean absolute control here if that's against the public interest. (Yup, our constitution says so explicitly.)
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@asdf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
property does not necessarily mean absolute control here if that's against the public interest. (Yup, our constitution says so explicitly.)
Same in the US, although we might be a bit stricter about what constitutes public interest, and they might have to pay us something for the trouble.
Edit: And HOAs can act as private-but-effectively-government monopolies controlling everything about your property via home-buying contracts that require passing on conditions.
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@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
they might have to pay us something for the trouble
Same here.
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@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
they might have to pay us something for the trouble.
It's explicitly a constitutional right that they do have to pay us a fair value when they enact eminent domain policies, actually.
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
they might have to pay us something for the trouble.
It's explicitly a constitutional right that they do have to pay us a fair value when they enact eminent domain policies, actually.
Indeed - but not everything they can do falls under eminent domain, which is why it's only 'might'.
Also, SCOTUS has occasionally made changes in property ownership rights that magically didn't invoke eminent domain.
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
You were betting on having Erik, and are neither very creative nor known for good planning?
That's how I got my name, so it'd be in fine tradition. My parents just swapped a vowel.
Jana Bailey
Jani Bailey
Jano Bailey
Janu Bailey
Jena Bailey
Jene Bailey
Jeni Bailey
Jeno Bailey
Jenu Bailey
Jina Bailey
Jine Bailey
Jini Bailey
Jino Bailey
Jinu Bailey
Jona Bailey
Jone Bailey
Joni Bailey
Jono Bailey
Jonu Bailey
Juna Bailey
June Bailey
Juni Bailey
Juno Bailey
Junu Bailey
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@boomzilla said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
My parents just swapped a vowel.
I'll bet they swapped more than a vowel. Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge nudge. Nudge nudge. Know what I mean? Say no more...know what I mean?
You're both correct. They swapped a vowel. "A".
They also swapped more than a vowel. "G", "T", and "C".
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@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
My cousin got hit by a deer in his work vehicle.
Yes, hit by a deer, not the other way around.My brother once saw a grizzly bear t-bone a VW Bug.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@ben_lubar said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Juno
Swapped A vowel.
I was hoping it was Ji-na.
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@ben_lubar said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Lorne-Kates said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@ben_lubar said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Juno
Swapped A vowel.
I was hoping it was Ji-na.
From V.A., right?
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@dkf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
on much private property (such as parking lots)
If I recall correctly, in NL, publicly accessible private roads such as parking lots automatically get the normal traffic laws. Including giving the police the right (but not the obligation) to enforce them.
Only private roads with controlled access are exempt. A good example of a private road not subject to traffic laws is a racing track. Note this is almost certainly not covered by your normal insurance.
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
You were betting on having Erik, and are neither very creative nor known for good planning?
That's how I got my name, so it'd be in fine tradition. My parents just swapped a vowel.
Jay Bailey? Not sure if that would have been good...
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@Rhywden said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Do you want those people on the street?
Yes, I do. If and when I can be reasonably sure they've learned their lesson.
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@anonymous234 said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Dreikin said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
You were betting on having Erik, and are neither very creative nor known for good planning?
That's how I got my name, so it'd be in fine tradition. My parents just swapped a vowel.
Jay Bailey? Not sure if that would have been good...
Bailey Jay (born November 5, 1988) is an American trans woman who is a pornographic actress
Uh-oh, better delete it before @Lorne-Kates notices...
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@anonymous234 said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Jay Bailey?
Nah, my real name. The one I haven't said anywhere within two links of this place ;)
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@dkf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Doesn't mean that it is your error.
No one said it did. I took the point of that as being one or more parties has to make a mistake for an accident to happen in normal circumstances.
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@Gąska Careful driving also kills people, and so does a host of other activities. Your logic would put everyone on Earth in jail.
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@blek said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
everyone on Earth in jail.
You said that like Earth isn't a jail already! I've spend 30 years plotting my escape from this rock and I'm not even close.
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@blek said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@Gąska Careful driving also kills people
Only the careless ones. In 99% of traffic accidents, there was at least one party that had the laws deep up their ass.
The other 1% are an occasional mööse, a falling tree etc.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Bailey Jay (born November 5, 1988, died December 12, 2016) was an American trans woman who was a pornographic actress
Uh-oh, better delete it before @Lorne-Kates notices...
Oops, too late. Sorry
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@Yamikuronue said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@anonymous234 said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Jay Bailey?
Nah, my real name. The one I haven't said anywhere within two links of this place ;)
Rumplestilskin?
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@Luhmann said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@blek said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
everyone on Earth in jail.
You said that like Earth isn't a jail already! I've spend 30 years plotting my escape from this rock and I'm not even close.
Dig up, stupid.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Dig up, stupid.
I'm still waiting for the space elevator to reach this floor ... sometimes I wonder it would be faster to just take the stairs
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@blek said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
I didn't read the link so I don't know what really happened, but assuming it was an accident and not a murder - why would you want to put him in jail? Unless the guy's a sociopath, having to live with the fact he killed another human is punishment enough, and giving him 10 years in the slammer won't bring the lady back to life. I could understand if the man had to pay a huge amount of money to the family, but a jail sentence for an accident isn't justice, it's just vengeance.
Yup. On the other hand, I would have put her multiple-year-ban on driving.
Sure, they cannot draw conclusion there's overspeeding happening, but I think there should be no acceptable reason for some driver to drive the car off the road and hit people.
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@cheong said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
but I think there should be no acceptable reason for some driver to drive the car off the road and hit people.
What if there's five times more people on the road?
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@Maciejasjmj said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
@cheong said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
but I think there should be no acceptable reason for some driver to drive the car off the road and hit people.
What if there's five times more people on the road?
Answer: You should brake and stop the car. I can't believe I had to write that. :P
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@cheong said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
drive the car off the road and hit people.
You don't have that over there?
Translation: Guy gets stuck in traffic at one of Brugge's famous bridges, at the Gentpoort (Gate on the road to Gent). Decides to take a shortcut over the bicycle lane. When a girl points this out he gets an ax out of his trunk and threatens her.
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@Luhmann said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
When a girl points this out he gets an ax out of his trunk and threatens her.
Did he lock her up in the cellar afterwards? Do they have children now? Don't leave us hanging!
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@asdf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Did he lock her up in the cellar afterwards?
That's a Wallonian thing
@asdf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Do they have children now?
That's an Austrian thing.
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@Luhmann said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
That's a Wallonian thing
Boo! Typical Belgian excuse!
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@Luhmann said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Translation: Guy gets stuck in traffic at one of Brugge's famous bridges, at the Gentpoort (Gate on the road to Gent). Decides to take a shortcut over the bicycle lane. When a girl points this out he gets an ax out of his trunk and threatens her.
Cycling in Germany I was threatened with a baseball bat once. Guy was pissed that I didn't take the bike lane which was still full of broken glass from New Year's (of course they only sweep the streets :/). The cops said unless there was concrete and imminent danger to my life they couldn't so anything.
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@LaoC said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Guy was pissed that I didn't take the bike lane which was still full of broken glass from New Year's (of course they only sweep the streets ).
If it wasn't too doxxy, I'd post a photo of the "bike lane" starting next to my house. There's a bike symbol and and arrow, and a long line of parked cars blocking the lane after that.
Apparently, since there is no solid line on the ground and no "no parking" sign, this is perfectly okay. -.-
The cops said unless there was concrete and imminent danger to my life they couldn't so anything.
Since you had a reason to feel threatened, I'm pretty sure punching that guy would have counted als self-defense.
But yeah, threatening someone with a non-lethal weapon is probably not illegal by itself, unless he actually took a swing at you (attempted assault) or forced you to do anything (coercion).
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@Lorne-Kates said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Rumplestilskin?
Noooo!
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@asdf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
If it wasn't too doxxy, I'd post a photo of the "bike lane" starting next to my house. There's a bike symbol and and arrow, and a long line of parked cars blocking the lane after that.
The usual. Funny how many Germans still get excited when there's a bike lane getting built. They think, oh great, safe cycling, and not "one more place that I'm obliged to use where they'll put their temporary "no parking" signs (sideways of course, thus practically invisible in the dark), trash bins and parked cars, and that will always be the last one that still has ice on it".
The cops said unless there was concrete and imminent danger to my life they couldn't so anything.
Since you had a reason to feel threatened, I'm pretty sure punching that guy would have counted als self-defense.
I guess, but my 1337 judo skillz only went as far as a kids' yellow belt and finding something effective against a guy with a baseball bat while you're standing over a bicycle is probably challenging even for a black belt.
But yeah, threatening someone with a non-lethal weapon is probably not illegal by itself, unless he actually took a swing at you (attempted assault) or forced you to do anything (coercion).
AFAIK it even counts as coercion if you try to "push" someone out of your highway lane with your headlight flasher, whether or not that was actually effective. He tried to get me out of "his" lane with a little more than a light beam, so I think the cop was just a lazy fucker who didn't want to do the paperwork.
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@LaoC said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
I think the cop was just a lazy fucker who didn't want to do the paperwork.
Unless you had eyewitnesses, the paperwork would indeed have been pointless. With witnesses, he might have lost his license, though.
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@asdf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
Since you had a reason to feel threatened, I'm pretty sure punching that guy would have counted als self-defense.
A slightly more pragmatic approach would be not to try to punch people threatening you with a baseball bat, especially if you are unarmed. Yes, they probably had it coming, and yes, the law may count it as self-defense, but neither makes getting beat up with a baseball bat any fun.
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@cvi said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
neither makes getting beat up with a baseball bat any fun.
That's BDSM-ist!
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@asdf said in Canada's legendary politeness applies to killers as well:
neither makes getting beat up with a baseball bat any fun.
That's BDSM-ist!
BDSM may involve inserting said bat in various orifices but certainly not getting your head done in with it.