BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine
-
I know not all y'all are from , but this is hardly a "unique" phenomenon. But there is the distinctly Canadian flavor of "completely missing the fucking point". Here, let's break this down.
First, Netflix is fucking huge in America, and effectively destroyed the video rental business. It's in the processes of eviscerating the cable TV market, too. No matter which way you slice it, it's a huge product, and people love it.
But, like anything media related, it isn't available in Canada. Because companies that buy copyright laws still haven't grasped the concept of WORLD Wide Web. And yes, there is a Netflix Canada. It's highly restricted and nearly contentless bullshit. Fuck off with that. It's a video streaming service named "Netflix". It isn't Netflix.
Alright, so there's billions of dollars being made by an upstart company that's eating everyone else's lunch, dinner, breakfast, snacks, and emergency MREs. Should we try to determine what the market demand is for that product? Why it's popular? What is the unique set of circumstances that exists that allow this one company to flourish?
Nah! Let's just reduce it to the most idiotic, CEO-level digestible "facts", copy it and expect Dollarzzzz to pour in.
First, come up with the stupidiest, most retarded name possible. Then run it through the boardroom until it becomes devoid of any sense of life. Then misspell it to be kewl. And you've got shomi.
What the fuck is that? Shoom I? Shum ee? Shoe My? oh-- "Show Me". Because if there's one thing that's always guaranteed to succeed, it's a product with the word "Me" or "My" in it. It's just so relatible, and consumers are drooling idiot sheep who will clap at hearing their own name, even by proxy, right?
Netflix: You use the freedom of the Internet to watch anything you desire, right away, whenever you want. Show me: durr I'm an idiot i will passively sit back plz show me moving shiny things ok?
Right off the back, stupid.
But how can we make it worse?
Here's an idea! You know how Netflix has a catalog that is just a few steps shy of Literally Everything Ever Filmed Or Aired, Ever? Like-- want to relive your nostalgia and jerk off to some bouncing cartoon bears? Good news, Gummi Bears is on Netflix!
So how about we take that massive competitive advantage-- and not have it. Let's just start with a very limited set of movies and shows that are "allowed" to be shown in Canada by the distributors-- and then stop there. I mean, it's not like having an absolutely bottomless pit of content that can draw literally anyone in and keep them addicted for years on end is something that's good for a video service, right?
How ELSE can we make it worse?
Well, you know how people are using Netflix as an alternative to traditional cable TV subscriptions? Well fuck that shit, I want to be able to ass-rape my customers AND throat-fuck them too! You want shomi? Well it's only available to cable TV subscribers-- and even then, only available to Rogers Cable TV subscribers. Because nothing says "let's get a huge market base" by instantly locking out 2/3rds of the country (people with Bell TV, or people with a 3rd party provider, or people without cable at all but who have Internet). That'll get you grassroot support and viral spreading by word of mouth, right? Right?
Actually, it may be worse than that-- because there are huge swaths of the country that Rogers doesn't service at all, meaning you've locked out even more of your potential market. And since the potential market is only 30-ish million people anyways, maybe that wasn't a good idea.
And hey, you know who really love online streaming services? Teh youths. You know who not only don't have a cable package of their own, due to price or the fact that they don't even live on their own yet? Teh youth.
And even better, if you're going after Netflix's market of "I'll pay for cable or Netflix, but not both"-- what better way of capturing them than telling them the only way to get the service is to pay for both. BRILLANT!
So now that you've made your service as absolutely sucky as possible, time to launch it-- with a limited beta release. November 2014 it goes beta. And it isn't until Aug 2015 that Rogers
gets threatened by the broadcast and anti-trust regulatorsgraciously allows people to buy it as a stand-alone product without a cable package. All you have to do is give your credit-card over to one of the most hated companies in the country.So a YEAR after this "revolutionary" product launches, the time for anyone to give a fuck about it has long, long passed. You missed out on getting the huge ground-swell of early adaptors needed to launch a product like this. And anyone who has been using it has been looking at the shitty catalog, bad service, and huge price tag and been saying "meh" at best or "FUCK YOU ASSRAPING ROGERS" at worst.
So what's a company to do? The answer's simple. Announce that on November 2016-- that is in ONE MONTH FROM THE ANNOUNCEMENT-- after barely 2 years of operation, the service will be shut down.
Two. Measly. Years.
And anyone who signed up with them-- what do they have to show for it? A huge hole in their wallet, and all those content they had access to GONE. Poof. Bye.
This is, of course, hardly the first or last failed online-media platform. And this is hardly the first, or last, tone-deaf "bring it to Canada" me-too cash grabs. But it's still fun to point and laugh at all the pathetic corporations who try these things, and all the gullible idiots who paid money to be part of it.
-
So if all the available options suck, how exactly does one get quality content in Canadia? Sailing the seven proxseas?
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Right off the
backbat, stupid.Ruined the whole rant for me.
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Here's an idea! You know how Netflix has a catalog that is just a few steps shy of Literally Everything Ever Filmed Or Aired, Ever?
No. See also Amazon Prime Video. Movie companies literally market DVDs as "Won't be on Netflix streaming for years!" But, OK, they have a lot of stuff.
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Because nothing says "let's get a huge market base" by instantly locking out 2/3rds of the country
To be fair, it's a small country, population wise.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Here's an idea! You know how Netflix has a catalog that is just a few steps shy of Literally Everything Ever Filmed Or Aired, Ever?
No. See also Amazon Prime Video. Movie companies literally market DVDs as "Won't be on Netflix streaming for years!" But, OK, they have a lot of stuff.
Or Hulu. But Hulu might also give you commercials (depending on your plan), and they're a bit more expensive.
-
@Groaner said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
So if all the available options suck, how exactly does one get quality content in Canadia? Sailing the seven proxseas?
BitTorrent, of course
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
What the fuck is that? Shoom I? Shum ee? Shoe My? oh-- "Show Me". Because if there's one thing that's always guaranteed to succeed, it's a product with the word "Me" or "My" in it. It's just so relatible, and consumers are drooling idiot sheep who will clap at hearing their own name, even by proxy, right?
There's the mistake. They should have been Misho. For even more mispronunciation fun. (wow, myspace does still exist...)
-
During my latest sojourn to Canada I was surprised to find my usual Netflix shows available while connecting over the Canadian ISP. I even started watching a movie and found it wasn't available once I got back.
-
@Groaner i don't know how it is in canada. but in south america the situation it's the same, proxies and VPN's and if that fails:
i'm not going to give my money to the competition(cable companies), their service is shit. and they have been assraping their consumers long enough
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
To be fair, it's a small country, population wise.
All the more reason not to cut off 66% of your market.
-
@Groaner said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Sailing the seven proxseas?
People will use US-based cheapboxes or proxies to get access. Netflix announced at some point that they'd cut off those accounts. No idea how they'd identify, or if they actually followed through. I honestly don't care if they decided to cut off their nose to
spit their facebetter deepthroat MPAA cock.Content can come from DVDs at best buy {snicker} and/or just fucking downloading it illegally because fuck you, we pay CD Tax to you assholes.
Also: I can count three times I went into Best Buy explicitly to buy a DVD for an upcoming movie marathon. They were all either new movies, or otherwise widely available. In all cases, not only were they out of stock-- but asking an employee for help took a half hour to get their attention, have them look something up on the computer, say "that's weird is should be there", look over the exact same shelves I looked at, and then them say "guess we don't have it".
Fuck you, give me Demonoid.
-
FYI, it also sucks in Hong Kong with the interference of HK government. For example:
http://www.hktv.com.hk/press_admin/files_upload/PR_12Mar2014_E.pdf
Basically, the current CEO of Hong Kong does not like the founder of HKTV, so they instruct the government bodies to set lots of nonsense obstacles to prevent it from functioning.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
consumers are drooling idiot sheep who will clap at hearing their own name, even by proxy, right?
To be fair, yes.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Right off the
backbat, stupid.Ruined the whole rant for me.
I was fine until:
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
early
adaptorsadoptersFiled under: I don't care really, it's early here and I don't have much to do. Good rant though.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
First, Netflix is fucking huge in America, and effectively destroyed the video rental business. It's in the processes of eviscerating the cable TV market, too. No matter which way you slice it, it's a huge product, and people love it.
I suspect the only reason cable still exists is because of "bundling". It's actually cheaper to add basic cable to my internet. . I never use it unless people are over that like football... also . Football should be on Youtube.
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Fuck off with that. It's a video streaming service named "Netflix". It isn't Netflix.
I regularly travel to Canada. It doesn't even honor where I bought my login from. So, yeah, Netflix ???
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
it's a product with the word "Me" or "My" in it. It's just so relatible, and consumers are drooling idiot sheep who will clap at hearing their own name, even by proxy, right?
iStuff, Wii U Dey, YouViewed
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Well it's only available to cable TV subscribers-- and even then, only available to Rogers Cable TV subscribers. Because nothing says "let's get a huge market base" by instantly locking out 2/3rds of the country (people with Bell TV, or people with a 3rd party provider, or people without cable at all but who have Internet). That'll get you grassroot support and viral spreading by word of mouth, right? Right?
I think cable wants to die.
Everyone else gets it. Ads and free, or pay and play.
-
Copyright owners are chaotic evil. Some of their strategies make sense, in a selfish way (price fixing, maintaining control of their distributors, price discrimination), but most of the time they don't seem to have any clear goal.
-
@anonymous234 said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
most of the time they don't seem to have any clear goal
Their clear goal seems to involve getting high on crack. I've no idea if they've any goals after that, and nor do they…
-
The name "Showmi" conjures up images of the mudflap girl
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
And anyone who signed up with them-- what do they have to show for it? A huge hole in their wallet, and all those content they had access to GONE. Poof. Bye.
How's this any different from any other online premium streaming service¿
Either way, lol Rogers
-
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
I think cable wants to die.
And if they do not, this is exactly the strategy I would use to ingrain in people's minds how crappy streaming is. This will buy them at least ten more years.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
just fucking downloading it illegally because fuck you, we pay CD Tax to you assholes.
This, a thousand times. I bough my fair share of blank CDs to backup MY OWN WRITTEN SOURCE CODE and I paid those fuckers the CD tax on every one of them. They can complain that I illegally download movies if they want, I don't fuckin care.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
People will use US-based cheapboxes or proxies to get access. Netflix announced at some point that they'd cut off those accounts.
I used to use Unotelly, which did some DNS magic to let me switch regions at will. Sometimes stuff I wanted was on US Netflix, sometimes Finland or somewhere else, and it worked great, but eventually Netflix blocked it. My Netflix account is still fine, but it's back to only being able to access Canadian content.
-
I pay a bit less than 8 usd for my netflix account in ****** and it has more content I like than I have free time to watch. I just needed to learn to discover stuff I like on it's catalog instead and stop caring about things I see announced on cable commercials. (because I prefer to watch things when I want it and not when they decide to air it).
-
@groo said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
because I prefer to watch things when I want it and not when they decide to air it
Do they have DVRs in your country?
It's rare that I watch live TV. Golf or football are the most common things.
-
@boomzilla We do but I like Netflix better.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Do they have DVRs in your country?
Until the DVR lets you skip ads instantly, it is pretty much useless.
-
Why is streaming not the primary form of entertainment?
With all of our technology, why is broadcast even a thing???
-
@TimeBandit said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Until the DVR lets you skip ads instantly, it is pretty much useless.
That's ridiculous. Sure, it's not instant, but a 30s jump ahead button is pretty damn handy and major improvement over live TV.
I agree that it's more convenient to watch streaming, though having an actual commercial break is still a natural place to pause something when you need to get up, go to the bathroom, get a new drink, whatever. But streaming stuff is sooooo behind, if the show is even there in the first place.
I have room for both in my sedentary life.
-
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
I suspect the only reason cable still exists is because of "bundling"
FUN SIDE RANT!
The CRTC (canadian broadcast regulator) recently-- as in just this year-- introduced a law that said cable companies MUST provide a basic, affordable package that contains a reasonable selection of channels. The goal was to break up the whole "you want bundle lol we strategically placed all the channels you want across seven different packages lol" thing that people hate.
Now, some key failures here.
-
I said recently. As in 2016. This regulation is literally 20+ years too late. In 1995-1996, Canada got a huge boom of specialty channels. We got our version of everything from SciFi to Comedy Central to A&E to The Cartoon Network, etc. It was the first time a massive amount of specialty channels were introduced. Right away it went horribly wrong. The cable industry managed to make it an "opt out" thing, but didn't tell anyone-- and everyone was suddenly being billed for every channel. It was egregious enough that it's THE landmark case for "negative option billing" in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_option_billing#Canadian_law The cable industry already proved they were slimy fucking assholes with the way they handled the packages, the negative option billing being just the tip of the shitberg. People were ALREADY calling for package regulation then. 20 fucking years ago.
-
The CRTC is a bunch of powerless, industry owned pussies. Straight up. The regulation they came up with was so loosly worded and full of loopholes that-- surprise surprise, the "basic package" ended being nearly completely devoid of programming. AND it ended up costing MORE-- because the cable companies would tack on fees or penalties, or offer temporary discounts on other packages, or use cable+internet bundling to screw people over. Leaked documents showed that sales reps were straight-out told to do everything in their power to prevent people from buying basic cable, from downselling to hanging up on people to outright lying about pricing. During a CRTC hearing, the cable companies basically said "oh yeah that oops sorry we'll try to train our people better".
-
Anyone who wanted this basic package has long since cut the cord anyways. This is kinda a repeat of #1.
So yes, the only reason cable TV still exists is inertia and sports.
-
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
FUN SIDE RANT!
I swear I'm getting really damn tired of all the Canadian accents on TV. Will you guys increase your standard of living already so it isn't dirt cheap to make shows up there?
-
I still have a set of rabbit ears. They're digital (since analog TV is literally dead in Canada), but they pick up the local channels well enough.
The only time I watch live TV anymore:
- Olympics (three weeks of neat sports and patriotism yay!)
- New Year's (tldr rant: large corporation bought local channels, sanitized them, killed everything unique & distinct about them, and stopped airing New Years. Fuck CTV)
- Oscars (mainly to get the twitter jokes)
So that's about 1.5 times a year. And if I can supplement that with streaming, I will. I have to give props to CBC's olympic coverage. They put EVERYTHING up on their website-- every broadcast, every stream. It was a joy to get the Figure Skating stream-- because it meant we could watch the entire competition, instead of "selected performances". And since it was directly off the wire, it was commercial free and with minimal commentary.
-
@hungrier said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
I used to use Unotelly
I used tvunblock for a while, but Netflix managed to detect that as well... Back to Netflix Germany again. I think it wouldn't bother me as much if I hadn't used Netflix in the US for a while :|
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
FUN SIDE RANT!
I swear I'm getting really damn tired of all the Canadian accents on TV. Will you guys increase your standard of living already so it isn't dirt cheap to make shows up there?
Never! A cultural past-time is watching show set in "Merica", and spotting the local landmarks.
The best is when it's set in NYC-- and in the background you can clearly see the red-and-white TTC buses. With the TTC logo. That's the TORONTO Transit Commission.
The most egregious was Resident Evil 2. It's meant to be set in Raccoon City-- a (fictional) "small, industrialized city located in the Midwestern United States". Population ~100k.
And then they show the map of the city, which is just literally Toronto. Capital of the province. Population 2M+. Full of skyscrapers and a dense downtown core.
It was like casting Vin Diesel to play Little Orphan Annie.
Also: They left in the CN Tower.
-
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Why is streaming not the primary form of entertainment?
It is for me. Join us.
-
@groo said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Why is streaming not the primary form of entertainment?
It is for me. Join us.
I will, when cable+internet isn't $20 cheaper than just-internet.
Until then, I have a cable service that I never use, and a Netflix account that I regularly find myself frustrated with.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
The best is when it's set in NYC-- and in the background you can clearly see the red-and-white TTC buses. With the TTC logo. That's the TORONTO Transit Commission.
I grew up in Southern California. I recognize the hills (and the types of trees) in so many shows set all over the place.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
The best is when it's set in NYC-- and in the background you can clearly see the red-and-white TTC buses. With the TTC logo. That's the TORONTO Transit Commission.
I grew up in Southern California. I recognize the hills (and the types of trees) in so many shows set all over the place.
That kinda ruins this CinemaSins gag. ("in case you confused it with [location]" 0:39, 0:52, 1:38)
-
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
That kinda ruins this CinemaSins
How do you ruin something that's already so ruined.
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
gag
Yes, that's how I feel about CinemaSins, too.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
That kinda ruins this CinemaSins
How do you ruin something that's already so ruined.
@xaade said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
gag
Yes, that's how I feel about CinemaSins, too.
I actually enjoy it, but the people in the comment section take it seriously and ruin it for me.
Like anyone is going to have an absolute opinion on what not-to-do in movies, and everyone agree.
-
Fucking broadcast/telecom regulators are complete corrupt shit in every single country I know about.
And the entire idea is flawed. Micromanaging companies to that level is not efficient. Just address the lack of competition, or make them public companies if you can't get competition to happen.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
It was like casting Vin Diesel to play Little Orphan Annie.
To be fair, that was a surprisingly convincing performance.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
It's rare that I watch live TV. Golf or football are the most common things.
Why? Golf seems like it would be best delayed until, say, 03:00, if you can't find any other way to fall asleep.
-
@HardwareGeek said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
It's rare that I watch live TV. Golf or football are the most common things.
Why? Golf seems like it would be best delayed until, say, 03:00, if you can't find any other way to fall asleep.
Yeah, I like to tune in on Sunday at about 3pm or so to watch the leaders finish.
-
@anonymous234 said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Copyright owners are chaotic evil. Some of their strategies make sense, in a selfish way (price fixing, maintaining control of their distributors, price discrimination), but most of the time they don't seem to have any clear goal.
The clear goal makes sense when you understand that copyright maximalists don't understand the language.
It's called "copy right." The name couldn't be any more clear than that. But the long-time goal of publishing interests has been to reinterpret it as a "usage right," while still using the spectre of unauthorized copying to keep the public on their side.
-
@Lorne-Kates My favorite is all the sci fi set in what I have always called "The forest planet outside Vancouver". Stargate in particular liked that location.
I eventually got to the point where I could literally recognize individual trees.
-
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
I recognize the hills (and the types of trees) in so many shows set all over the place.
You mean like the scenic, tropic palm trees of Haddonfield, Illinois?
-
@TimeBandit said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
@boomzilla said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Do they have DVRs in your country?
Until the DVR lets you skip ads instantly, it is pretty much useless.
Shh! You might awaken a certain lurking rodent on to a tirade about how you are a horrible person for cheating the ad man!
-
There's a few things that are wrong with your rant.
-
Rogers, Bell, Shaw, Cogeco & Videotron were ordered by the CRTC to provide content online to their customers in order to offer a means for supplying Canadian content via the internet. This wasn't just a hairbrained scheme to make money, they were mandated to do so.
-
It was Rogers/Shaw and Bell(CTV) who chose to monetize the mandate. As always, they did the absolute minimum, and got the absolute minimum of support for the product.
-
Content laws in Canada require that a certain percentage of Canadian produced content must be made available on all mediums, this is why the services lacked anything substantial. But isn't the whole problems.
-
On top of this, Netflix has spent billions negotiating content permissions for both the US and Canadian market, and the copyright holders determine what is available, not the broadcasters (the big five, Netflix, etc.) This is why AMC, HBO and TMC have occasional blackouts in Canada, because the broadcaster isn't licensed to show the content here.
-
Granted that our selections may be different than Netflix US, we have almost as much content as the US version, if not more. The difference is the fact that we don't have access to HBO/AMC/etc content the same as the US does. I regularily use Netflix CA and have only found a few cases where the content I want to watch isn't available. ie: Universal content such as Back to the Future, etc.
-
As someone who has spent 10 years working in television broadcast, none of these issues are any different from the US or Canada, or have changed in the past 30+ years. It has always been up to the copyright holder (usually the distribution company) to determine what can and cannot be shown in a market. As much as I detest the big five, there is nothing they can do in this regards.
If you want to effect change in this area, then it's up to us, as consumers to speak to our MPs, senators, other government representatives and have the old laws - which were created by previous protectionist governments on both sides of the border - repealed. The problem isn't entirely the broadcasters, but the antiquated laws they are confined to, and on top of it, the fact that they wear too many hats. (Rogers, Shaw, Bell all are content producers, content broadcasters, and content providers - ie: ISPs & cable/satellite operators)
-
-
@Groaner said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
Shh! You might awaken a certain lurking rodent on to a tirade about how you are a horrible person for cheating the ad man!
When I watch TV with my digital antenna, I don't pay for the signal, so I watch the ads.
When I pay for the signal (ex.: Netflix or cable), why the fuck should I suffer the ads ???
-
@Inari-Pooltoy Facts WHARRGARBL
-
@Inari-Pooltoy said in BREAKING NEWS: Online streaming still sucks in every way you can imagine:
There's a few things that are wrong with your rant.
Thank you non-sockpuppet account registered solely to drop your "facts".