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Posts made by stillwater
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Oh sorry I must have posted my comment wrong. I'm new here.
I'm new here too. This Discourse shit is confusing.
Incidentally, Koreans call themselves an IT giant country and they think India is one of the IT giant countries too.
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RE: Help I live in a country where senior devs create CSV columns and don't use the keywords "extends" nor "implements
hose senior devs don't have X years of experience, they have 1 year of experience X times
+1000 THIS!!
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Incidentally, Koreans started bringing Indian developers into Korea recently
Lol. Holy shit man. How are the new imports doing ?
I don't know which thread I should reply to !! .
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RE: Finding (and getting) a career-change job
Can I add to this Thread as well ? I have some pressing questions similar to yours.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Occasionally, but rarely, amused. Mostly annoyed.
So you'd probably have a drink with him atleast once?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Have any of you been in "Bro" terms with us folks? Atleast from the other guy's pov?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
That Sir! Makes me feel like shit when people sir you cos they have to and they're like 20 years older than you! Embarrassing cringe
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Interesting, I thought that was just an American thing.
I never knew this was an American thing. Where do people sir each other or what kind of people sir others out?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
That doesn't necessarily exclude genuinely stupid, and it certainly doesn't exclude genuinely annoying. If there were one user on here that I would mute, it would be Nagesh. However, fortunately, his appearances these days are rare enough that it's not really necessary.
Umm I thought this guy supplied some Indian humour from time to time and everyone liked him or something?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
I meant that he is (or acts) even stupider than the typical incompetent outsourced programmer, so much stupider that he makes them look relatively good by comparison. There is also speculation that he is actually not Indian, but he does a good enough writing broken Indian English and displays sufficient (apparently) local knowledge of some places in India to be pretty convincing. (I lean strongly toward the genuinely Indian, genuinely stupid view of him, myself, but I'm willing to consider evidence to the contrary. I'd rather not, though; I prefer to avoid, as much as possible, thinking about him at all.)
Holy shit. This is thoroughly fucked up.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
For those who haven't had that "pleasure" previously, Nagesh is either an utter moron who makes "the very bottom of the Great Shithole of Outsourced Computer Programming" look good, a very annoying troll, or both.
I find it impossible to mentally conjure up an Image of an Indian guy like this.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
So you are ... You are at the very bottom of the Great Shithole of Outsourced Computer Programming? Cleaning up all the shit?
My Job description goes something like this, Yes.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
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For everyone's benefit, the above translates to " Do you know Hindi? How many movies have you seen till today?"
Nagesh, Hindi is not every Indian's first language, so get out of here with this Hindi crap. And why would I keep a count of all the movies I've seen?
Weird.
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RE: Nevermind the bollocks, here's another religion topic
I stop at the point where you can't sense the flavor of the food. At that point the heat is just for heat's sake, and I'm not interested.
You don't find this that often in India. One thing though, Meat is always well done here is what you might find odd, otherwise food is tasty af and you ll have a fucking flavor explosion in your mouth, in a nice way.
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RE: Nevermind the bollocks, here's another religion topic
I get that people feel this way.
But there's no china town worldwide that compares to actually being in China.
Fair enough. And yeah If you are coming for local food, India is completely worth it. I thought Indian food was too much filled with spices for the western palate something something .
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RE: Nevermind the bollocks, here's another religion topic
There's still some things I'd like to come see if you don't mind.
What kind of things do you want to see ?
Edit : You can actually get 80% of the Indian experience if you go stand in Wembley central, London for 2 hours.
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RE: Nevermind the bollocks, here's another religion topic
What's the problem of living like indians?
Are you fucking kidding me ? Everything !!!! There is not a single thing that is not fucked up here. Every minutiae of every fucking thing ever.
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RE: Nevermind the bollocks, here's another religion topic
It's just the only one on that chart that has low emissions and lower per capita emissions, that registers. That's why I picked that one out.
This chart is lying AFAIK.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
anyone gets with 5 years of development with programming language "X" is a senior for them
Omg!! Is this the situation everywhere?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
I think enthousiasm and pride are the main drivers here. Not only do I like my job (writing code), I also like to learn and apply new techniques.
People who talk shit like this get outlawed out here. Outlawed is a bit mellow, they get fucking quarantined.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Not sure how universities or technical schools are there, but I'll bet a month salary that classes are crowded... and that doesn't help for a good education.
Crowded relatively? It is mostly not the case. I've had classes with five hundred people that was amazing and classes with 10 people that was complete shit. CS professors for the most part don't know anything.
Here on the west we thrive for more money to buy more stuff like a Mercedes Benz or a BMW, a nice house and private education for the kids
Same here except we wanna do it without working for it. Shortcuts are the way to go.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
In theory, the low cost outweighs the low quality, at least on the balance sheet, which is all most management of sufficiently high level to make that kind of decision cares about.
I get it. Is this true even now ?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Plus, it wasn't outsourced; it was our own office in India.
How high should someone be to decide to have an office around here?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Yes. 90% is either CRUD stuff or support for CRUD stuff. Throw in people who don't know what CRUD is to the mix and that is what we have. The good programmers I know code in their spare time and have a completely unrelated Day Job.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Don't email files back and forth; check them into the VCS
Ummm... This happened at my company some 3 months back. Are we working with each other?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Also out of curiosity, Have you guys been called "Hey "BRO" " during a casual conversation when you had the misfortune to talk to us folks?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
I mostly find the quality of work that comes out of the western world very very high. I am not kissing ass here but would really like to know what sort of mentality and drive makes that happen. What would you suggest as to some of us getting to the same level? What do you do that you think is fundamentally different from the way that we think and do things? What is the edge that you guys have over us?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Yep, seen that. I assume it's more of a cultural thing not a lost in translation type deal?
Mostly Cultural. We also use it when there is panic or to calm things down when they're fucked.
Watch out for the Indian guy starting with "Hello Mr.Smith.." and then switch to "But sir..." when someone points out he has made a mistake.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Well, this guy's full name was something like John Singh Smith. I guess I didn't understand his explanation fully. I already knew that the "last name" can be something like a patronymic or maybe clan/caste name. (I don't remember the right terms here so I'm being kind of inexact.)
We here in India have trouble with this more often than you think. Every John Smith here is addressed simply as John, regardless of age, hierarchy, respect blah blah. There is no calling someone Mr.Smith ever.
We just "sir" everybody the fuck out though.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Yup. And I know a Sikh whose "middle" name was Singh, only I gather it's not really a middle name the way we would think of it; more like an infix honorific/title?
Technically there are no surnames or middle names in India
Most indian names are usually one single word, say Johnny.
Johnny becomes Johnny Singh in any official paperwork
Singh here usually is the father's name or family name
In case Singh is the father's name, there is some other name between Johnny and Singh , which is usually the family name or the clan name, and this is mostly unused.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Oh, and @stillwater: what do you hate most when you are dealing with your customers?
I assume we have problems with customers that are common in every part of the world.
Ask for X, we develop X, The customer finally wants Y cos he changed his mind about X.
Ask X for 10 dollars, X gets delivered, Customer goes "I can pay you guyzz only 2 dollars. I don't want to give so much moneyz"
Pretty generic shit .
I mostly get pissed with the End user who starts using the application without RTFM and then logs hundreds of Issues. The above said user speaks very broken English as well, so it takes 10X the time it takes to solve a problem otherwise.
Stupid annoying shit mostly.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Assuming they are gendered names, what the hell are Raja and Ranjan?
If Ranjan's a first name, then going on the results of a quick Google search for "Ranjan", it's a male name.
But it also appear to be a last[1] name, and then of course all bets are off.
Any Indian name can either be a First, Middle or Last Name depending upon which part of India someone is from.There are a lot of male names that might sound feminine for you muricans.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Fun side story, my first encounter with Indian programmers was a company in west London
How were the actual programmers though?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Does that naturally follow into the workplace, or is there a level of ethical requirement in the workplace that changes this behavior?
Nope, there is no such thing. Once the assholeness sets in at the Uni level, It goes on for life. Workplace is never ever conducive to any sort of good behaviour.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
At the earlier mentioned project, those guys once selected the "keep my version" option while trying to resolve a merge conflict. As a consequence, some stuff never landed in the database which caused a production site to go down.
I am pretty sure this was done without the person not knowing what keep my version means. Again this happens fairly often. Things are clicked on because they're just there. I also know people who ve clicked on Take server version overwriting their changes. Same reason as above.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Question, why did all the Indian students at my college cheat off each other?
Are you talking about Americans of Indian Origin or people from India who came there for Uni? I was talking about my experience with the latter group.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
And CC bosses right on the email, screw forwarding in secret.
If there is an offshore Indian boss involved in the CC, Don't bother. These assholes don't do mails. Too cool for that shit.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
You should have them put more managers on a project and see if it gets done faster.
This happened. Lesson learnt.
Question, why did all the Indian students at my college cheat off each other?Of course it didn't work because not one of them knew the answer.
This is considered a Norm here. No one cares about being sincere, Honesty is looked down upon and actively discouraged, You get bullied around here if you are not into cheating and helping people that way. There is nothing that rewards just behaviour.
Also, Most people are recruited right out of college. This exam usually happens with hundreds of people in a large hall with questions and answer booklets given to them. Questions are standard math questions along the lines of If X peope take Y days to build a wall,how many days will X + 2 people take. Basic shit like this. People cheat more often than they don't and this is how 90% of the people get into IT. Cheating plays a very very important role.
know you guys have great programmers, I've met a few online, and one sits at the desk near me.
Some of us actually want to do our shit as best as we can. Heartily appreciate you understanding that. Thank you.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Why, are people from Hyderabad considered to be bad even in India?
People from Hyderabad are considered to be bad even by some in Hyderabad.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Do you have any other turns off phrase that a cynical bastard like myself could adopt?
I don't know if you know the "As per our discussion" phrase. Almost every mail between the team starts with this. When you use it, you are not accountable for any shit you do. None whatsoever.
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X to Y verbally: Fix problem A
Y to X via Email: As per our discussion I ve done jackshit about our problem but finally turned on my computer around 6 pm.
X forwards this to manager adding "PFA ( Please find attached (meta:Is this an Indianism)) along with the original mail.
Manager to X and Y : Thank you for doing the "needfullzzzz" but problem A is still there but am sure it is not your fault. I will ask the guy without any social life to make up for your laziness and general incompetence. Come over sometime. I have some leftover Cheap Liquor.
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You can use " If X can do it, why can't you?"
This makes no sense but it works.
X stands for Microsoft, Oracle and so on.Any company that makes the Stack the Dev works on.
Assume our Dev works on .NET
If you want to control the rover on Mars, Ask the Dev to make it happen. When he says no you just go "Dude If Microsoft can do it why can't you? "That Motherfucker is gonna stand outside your door at 5 am in the morning with a Remote control in his hand telling you It's done. The rover will move left when you press right on the Remote control but that is a whole different matter altogether.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Hyderabad guys
You could have stopped right there.
He "resolved" the issue by disabling request validation altogether (it's a setting on SPWebApplication) but he did not tell anyone, nor document it.
I deal with this every other day. I feel bad for not going wtf at stuff like this anymore.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
We wish to put our malware encrusted machines on your network, as we do not understand how to use the VMs provided. Also, we are still requiring of the documentation attached to the email I am replying to. Please do needful for the same.
Do you have more stuff like this?
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
That's because it's not the Indian companies that are going to fix this, it's the clients that contract from them, that have to be more demanding on it.
This. A Million times this.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
I am sensing a lot of hostility between the lines.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
What change if made in the way we interact and work, would make your lives easier when you have to work with us ?
I can pass any valid suggestions to people here who want to do well but don't know better.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
If you are in a mixed team with on-shore developers, how do you experience interacting with them?
Most of the Information between us and them gets lost because of the language problem. On-shore developers hate us by default and do all the important work and we do stuff that is not. We fuck up that too and this pisses them off even more. Rinse and Repeat.
The On-shore team likes to keep interaction with us to a minimum and vice versa because it is peaceful for both the parties.
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RE: I am a Developer from India.One among the bunch of guys you hate for writing unmaintainable shit-ass code that you have to fix. Ask me anything .
Plot twist: He's working for Oracle, but too ashamed to admit it
What's with the oracle hate? I really wanna know