Firefox 3 download day



  • It's 10pm on "download day" (my time, so I assume the World has rolled over to the 17th by now) and they don't make it easy to participate: 

     http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/

    I still see a "pledge" button instead of a "download" button.

    Even the download page still calls FF3 a "sneak peak"... 



  • The only thing I've heard is that it will be released at 10am PDT, which is in approximately 4 hours



  •  I have pledged, and rely on Mozzy to email me.



  • FF3 has been available as a nightly release forever.  Why are you "lining up" for the release of a product that is essentially already released?  What the hell is wrong with you people?  It's a goddamn browser and not even a very good one. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    FF3 has been available as a nightly release forever.  Why are you "lining up" for the release of a product that is essentially already released?  What the hell is wrong with you people?  It's a goddamn browser and not even a very good one. 

     

    Not to mention FF updates itself... this has to be the single stupidest activity you can partake in on the web.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    ...on the web.

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Filed under: And you are competing with 'Second Life' so that is really sad.

    Second Life isn't web-based.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    It's a goddamn browser and not even a very good one. 
     

    Every one of the features I use of it is better than the competition.

    Except the organization of the perferences. That's equally random and crap in all browsers.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Second Life isn't web-based.
     

    You would know. Loser.



  • @dhromed said:

    Every one of the features I use of it is better than the competition.

    Except the organization of the perferences. That's equally random and crap in all browsers.

    That's subjective, but I agree it's probably the best browser out there.  I still hate it, though.  My point is that waiting on it to be released is really lame, especially considering the source is already out there.  This isn't like waiting for some new gadget or game or commerical application, it's an open source web browser. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    My point is that waiting on it to be released is really lame, especially considering the source is already out there.
     

    Yes, but how many of FF's users would have the required stuff to do a full compile of the source, and even know what a compiler was, let alone be able to use the thing? 



  •  Plz send me teh codez (sorry, I had to say it)



  • @MarcB said:

    Yes, but how many of FF's users would have the required stuff to do a full compile of the source, and even know what a compiler was, let alone be able to use the thing?

    I believe there are nightly binary builds as well.  Still, how many of FF's users are going to sit around waiting for the exact moment FF3 is going to be released? 



  • @DOA said:

    sorry, I had to say it
     

    No, you really didn't.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Still, how many of FF's users are going to sit around waiting for the exact moment FF3 is going to be released? 
     

    My guess? All of them. We are talking about FF users, after all.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    My guess? All of them. We are talking about FF users, after all.
     

    Exaggerate much? 



  • @MarcB said:

    Exaggerate much? 
     

    Take the internet serious much?



  •  There was an article sometime last week about the folks at FF wanting to break the single day download record of a browser with the release of FF3.  I would imagine that's why people are lining up right now.

    Oh, here's a link to the story at The Register.



  • @un.sined said:

     There was an article sometime last week about the folks at FF wanting to break the single day download record of a browser with the release of FF3.  I would imagine that's why people are lining up right now.

    Oh, here's a link to the story at The Register.

     

    Did the link in the OP tip you off?



  • Just out of curiosity, what browser are you using, MPS? Lynx?



  • @PSWorx said:

    Just out of curiosity, what browser are you using, MPS? Lynx?
     

    FF3.



  •  Well I'm at work now and I downloaded it here. FF2 is the company browser, soon to be FF3 when I get around to making sure it still works with all our extensions :) 

     



  • @Zemm said:

    Filed under: How Excitement

     

    How the fuck is this exciting? You could have been using the RCs and Betas for months now!

    I mean shit, I thought I was a geek, but I cannot imagine getting this excited over what amounts to a mediocre release of a mediocre browser.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    FF3.

    Aaah, please accept my apology then, i didn't realize that this whole thread was sarcasm.



  • @PSWorx said:

    i didn't realize that this whole thread was sarcasm.
     

    Everything except FF users being retarded for being excited to 'finally DL FF3'.



  •  omg firefoxzor

    i teh downloadzord teh it

     

    I FEEL COMPLETE NOW 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Still, how many of FF's users are going to sit around waiting for the exact moment FF3 is going to be released? 
     

    Its reminds me of Neuromancer, the game ... You had to constantly upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade ...



  • I'm not going to upgrade if they make it more user-friendly. I have made a list of my opinion of how it would be better.



  • @zzo38 said:

    I'm not going to upgrade if they make it more user-friendly. I have made a list of my opinion of how it would be better.

    You imply that FFX3 is way different and that those massive changes are detrimental to your user-experience. But after casual observation & browsing, I must disagree.

    The main differences:

    - Defaults to full page zoom instead of text zoom.
    - the rich location bar, which so far hasn't tried to be smarter than I, and just works the way I've been using it in 2.
    - a few rendering quirks here and there. Meh. That'll sort itself out.

    Which new featres are the focus of your dislike?



  • @dhromed said:

    @zzo38 said:

    I'm not going to upgrade if they make it more user-friendly. I have made a list of my opinion of how it would be better.

    You imply that FFX3 is way different and that those massive changes are detrimental to your user-experience. But after casual observation & browsing, I must disagree.

    The main differences:

    - Defaults to full page zoom instead of text zoom.
    - the rich location bar, which so far hasn't tried to be smarter than I, and just works the way I've been using it in 2.
    - a few rendering quirks here and there. Meh. That'll sort itself out.

    Which new featres are the focus of your dislike?

    It isn't completely to do with new features, there are features in older versions of Firefox that I don't like also. And also in other web-browser software. Some features I can fix easily by writing a extension (such as making the location bar relative, I never liked the absolute one used in most software), but some I can't. You didn't know what I meant, you just guessed. Maybe I didn't write very clearly. This time I hope I write clearly so it can be understood what I wrote by some people.



  • @zzo38 said:

    It isn't completely to do with new features, there are features in older versions of Firefox that I don't like also. And also in other web-browser software. Some features I can fix easily by writing a extension (such as making the location bar relative, I never liked the absolute one used in most software), but some I can't. You didn't know what I meant, you just guessed. Maybe I didn't write very clearly. This time I hope I write clearly so it can be understood what I wrote by some people.

     

    well, you still didn't list anything that you don't like that will make you not download it...



  • @tster said:

    @zzo38 said:

    It isn't completely to do with new features, there are features in older versions of Firefox that I don't like also. And also in other web-browser software. Some features I can fix easily by writing a extension (such as making the location bar relative, I never liked the absolute one used in most software), but some I can't. You didn't know what I meant, you just guessed. Maybe I didn't write very clearly. This time I hope I write clearly so it can be understood what I wrote by some people.

     

    well, you still didn't list anything that you don't like that will make you not download it...

    OK, I will copy this list from my weblog:

    • ALT+key will select menus and location bar if they are the same as an accesskey attribute on the page, but selects items on the page if it doesn't match anything built-in to the web-browser program. ALT+SHIFT+key always selects items on the page.
    • Get rid of some features: Spell-check, option dialog, help For Internet Explorer Users, broken web-site report, Send Link, Web Search, Read Mail, phishing filter, mouse gestures, user-friendly, automatic update, and the "get more extensions" link in the extensions dialog box (these features can still be put back in by creating an extension with those features) (these are useless features)
    • Remove close button on tabs, tabs can be closed by context menu or CTRL+F4 (close button just takes up space, and/or you might accidentally click it)
    • Rename "Error Console" back to "Javascript Console", and improve it to allow you to work by itself, by a selected tab, or by chrome (renaming it is not really that important, and it could probably be done just by editing some file, but I think "Javascript Console" makes more sense)
    • Relative location bar (URLs entered into the location bar are treated as relative) (I fixed this in my extension already, but I think it should be built-in)
    • Do not create exposable URI (keeps wyciwyg: in URLs) (I fixed this in my extension already, but I think it should be built-in)
    • Nearly all icons are removed, including favicons (we don't need these icons!)
    • Includes all features of Web Developer Extension (I think it should be built-in)
    • Image/cookie/script blocking by regular expressions and javascript (the existing one doesn't help as much as it should)
    • Allow gopher on any port, possibly configurable by about:config (because my own gopher is on port 80, and other gophers might use other ports for query, and stuff like that)
    • Built-in support for Greasemonkey userscripts, and restore old behaviour of displaying script source when navigated to (I think it should be built-in, and displaying the source is more useful than what the current version does, anyways)
    • Built-in proxy that can be configured by javascript and regular expressions, to redirect to other proxies, use redirect, block completely, modify page content and/or headers before sending/receiving, etc, including support for changing things based on how it is accessed, such as images, across-site, etc (this would improve it lots)
    • Override javascript DOM by writing your own interface using javascript (I might want to change what some functions do, for all web-pages, maybe to make some not work)
    • Feature to block events of your choice, including by creating a script return true/false to determine whether or not to call DOM event on current page (I think it should be built-in)
    • Feature to disable certain HTML tags and/or attributes (to make it act like older browsers that don't support those ones, or if you just don't like those tags/attributes, or for other reasons)
    • CTRL+ENTER in location bar opens window to edit HTTP headers to send (or other options for different protocols) (better than what it does now, I think)
    • Session save and cancel session save (I think the new version might have this, but I'm not sure)
    • Macros that can be loaded at any time, without restart, similar to K-Meleon macros, so you don't have to write an extension, also an option to edit and test in place, but written using javascript instead of kmm (K-Meleon support this macros but not real javascript that Mozilla Firefox should support!)
    • Support Firefox extensions (obviously!)
    • ALT+ENTER in location bar opens new tab (it already does this)
    • SHIFT+ENTER in location bar bypasses proxy (better than what it does now, I think)
    • Underline letters in buttons on web-pages if they match the accesskey attribute, configurable by about:config (would make it clearer to view)
    • Improve about:config by including a way to delete preferences, A way to switch between flat/tree view, and context-sensitive help if F1 is pushed (you can't currently delete preferences, and there isn't much documentation)
    • Option to disable extensions individually without uninstalling (I think this was added already, but the version I am currently using doesn't)
    • Add forcetype: URI scheme to force mime-type of a URL (for example, enter forcetype:text/plain:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ to view the root page of my web-site as plain text, of course this isn't the best example, it just explain how it works) (some web-pages do wrong mime-type and I want to force a text file to be viewed in browser instead of download, or view HTML even if some web-site says text/plain, really some do, I don't know why)
    • Allow javascript: URL entered directly into location bar regardless of script enabled/disabled (not sure whether or not it already has this)
    • In file input fields, if you type a vertical bar then the part before the vertical bar is the remote name and the part afterward the local name. Also the ability to enter a URL in the file input field, and if you do, then it will then download from that URL and upload to the form post URL. (makes it more useful)
    • Ability to turn off automatic e-mail/URL link in gopher (it keeps doing it wrong, I want to turn it off)
    • Change some modal dialog boxes to non-modal (so you can view other web-pages or dialog boxes at the same time)


  • @zzo38 said:

    OK, I will copy this list from my weblog: [snip]

       

      Well, FF is open source, so have a good time coding those "improvements" into firefox.



    • @zzo38 said:

      A list of funny "feature requests"

      You're joking, right? I think the main reason that Firefox is so popular is that "features" like that aren't included in it.

      Seriously, removing favicons?

      My favourite item on your list is the regex image-blocking feature. Seriously, - and I hope that I'm not only one who thinks that way on the forums, - adblocking is a very nasty thing. It's the sort of the thing n00bs do. If you don't like the ads on a site, don't browse it. It is simple as that. Don't be a jerk, please.

      Anyway, I agree with ammoQ here, you're welcome to fork FF3 and implement your features.



    • @zzo38 said:

    • Nearly all icons are removed, including favicons (we don't need these icons!)
    • In FF2 you can disable favicons from about:config (I forget which settings yu need to edit, but I have set it so that if there is no favicon specified none is shown , as opposed to the default icon)



    • @DOA said:

       Plz send me teh codez (sorry, I had to say it)

       

      ...okay: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest-3.0/source/



    •  @ammoQ said:

      Filed under: we have a new swampy here...

      The evidence would seem to support this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/images3/207hn.0.jpg 



    • @upsidedowncreature said:

       @ammoQ said:

      Filed under: we have a new swampy here...

      The evidence would seem to support this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/images3/207hn.0.jpg 

      I didn't write that. They didn't write half-equations, they wrote full equations, which happen to be wrong anyways. Also I just noticed something now, you can see a little bit the back of the paper as well, you can see it better if you highlight the picture. I did make some of the pictures, though.



    • I updated it on the WIndows machine, it feels much faster then FF2, and the memory usage seems to be somewhat better.

       As for those saying that if people wanted FF3 early, they could compile it themselves, building FF and Mozilla in general is an absolute pain in the ass, espicially on WIndows since it requires Unix shell tools like bash since it uses an autoconf based configuration system, and then have fun installing/compiling all the dependencies. It also requires Visual C++'s compilers over GCC, which is WTF to me considering they're using MSYS to manage the build, but I digress.

       


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