I, ChatGPT
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An Amazon spokesperson said: “We take matters like this seriously and are committed to providing a safe shopping and reading experience. We’re looking into this.”
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@BernieTheBernie said in I, ChatGPT:
Did you know that ChatGPT is very good at writing books on collecting mushrooms? They were even sold on Amazon.
Warum, kurwa? Like, warum?
There are good, reliable, time tested books describing all the mushroom species, whether they are edible or not and which features to check to make sure you are not mistaking them for a different species. The most famous one around here was published in 1952. That's still perfectly fine at least in Europe; the mushrooms don't evolve that fast. There isn't a good reason to churn new ones.
Of course bad reasons, there is always enough of those.
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@Bulb Why do you need a new update for
mushroom.exe
oriMushroom
? Well because you need of course!
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@Bulb said in I, ChatGPT:
There isn't a good reason to churn new ones.
Generate sales, of course.
Now, the only good reason to buy one of those is of course what @BernieTheBernie mentioned: to get an award.
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@Bulb said in I, ChatGPT:
Europe; the mushrooms don't evolve that fast
Except for the Chernobyl ones that uproot themselves, chase down and beat people up
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https://ukrainetoday.org/2023/08/31/russian-space-scientist-dies-allegedly-from-poisonous-mushrooms/
ChatGP 1 — 0 Space Scientist
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@Zecc said in I, ChatGPT:
@dcon said in I, ChatGPT:
flat screen CRT
I remember that. Flatter than a regular CRT but not as flat as an LCD. They were flat-ish.
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@LaoC
Poisonous Mushrooms, windows, polonium, ... all the same thing.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in I, ChatGPT:
@Zecc said in I, ChatGPT:
@dcon said in I, ChatGPT:
flat screen CRT
I remember that. Flatter than a regular CRT but not as flat as an LCD. They were flat-ish.
I seem to remember the one I had was flat, not flat-ish. Hence, why it weighed about 2x as much as a comparable non-flat one.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in I, ChatGPT:
@Bulb said in I, ChatGPT:
Europe; the mushrooms don't evolve that fast
Except for the Chernobyl ones that uproot themselves, chase down and beat people up
I did hear about black moss inside the reactor once.
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@PleegWat said in I, ChatGPT:
I did hear about black moss inside the reactor once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus.
Examples of these environments include the damaged reactor at Chernobyl, the International Space Station, and the Antarctic mountains
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@error To avoid making mustard gas, don't wash toilets and cat litterboxes with hypochlorite-based bleach.
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@error said in I, ChatGPT:
Reminds me of an article in the newspaper earlier this week about a new tiktok challenge regarding putting as many different cleaning agents as possible in a toilet bowl at the same time. The paper warned this can break your toilet bowl and create gases which are banned under the Geneva convention, though the only ones the paper actually dared name were chlorine gas and chloroform.
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@PleegWat said in I, ChatGPT:
new tiktok challenge
Buf of course. Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
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@Applied-Mediocrity Natural selection in action. Or at least we can hope.
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@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@Applied-Mediocrity Natural selection in action. Or at least we can hope.
I've always heard that as: Evolution in action
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@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@Applied-Mediocrity Natural selection in action. Or at least we can hope.
More like Chinese enemy action
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@dcon said in I, ChatGPT:
@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@Applied-Mediocrity Natural selection in action. Or at least we can hope.
I've always heard that as: Evolution in action
No, what he said is right. They’re not evolving, only getting unselected.
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@PleegWat said in I, ChatGPT:
Reminds me of an article in the newspaper earlier this week about a new tiktok challenge regarding putting as many different cleaning agents as possible in a toilet bowl at the same time.
Notably, you only saw the article, not the alleged challenge videos.
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Datacenters use electricity to run and water for cooling.
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That's nothing. You should see how much @Polygeekery drinks for each client request.
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@Zerosquare And he even tries to keep the water consumption down by diluting the water with alcohol.
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@DogsB's article said in I, ChatGPT:
ChatGPT 'drinks' half a litre of water for every 20 prompts
So... 1 litre would be every
1030? No, wait, 20 / 0.4 = 36?
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@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
water for cooling.
Wouldn't that water mostly just circulate in a loop? I can see how that would have some losses, but 500ml every 20-40 queries seems high-ish? Not that I really have any good reference point for data center use... (Evaporative cooling? You just put the hot water into an open basin and let it cool down?)
Quick googling, though: First hit claims about 500 Tflops per query. At home, you can probably get somewhere around 30Tflops/sec with a GPU (probably more with specialized tensor cores and so on), so a single query would take about .. let's call it 20 seconds. 40 queries would be about 15 minutes. Meaning that if you had the same losses on a home machine, you'd leak about 2 liters of water every hour. Doesn't sound like it'd make for a great gaming time.
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@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
Wouldn't that water mostly just circulate in a loop?
It's the water used to cool that closed loop. It's probably not lost either, just heated up before being discharged. Would it be hot enough to have significant evaporation? Probably not; computers aren't run as hot as furnaces simply because that's terrible for the hardware lifetime.
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@DogsB I don’t think that’s the surprising fact, but the amount of water. Half a litre in cooling water per 20 requests seems a lot.
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@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
Probably not; computers aren't run as hot as furnaces simply because that's terrible for the hardware lifetime.
I see you've never encountered a Radeon VII.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB I don’t think that’s the surprising fact, but the amount of water. Half a litre in cooling water per 20 requests seems a lot.
To me it seems like a very little, actually. Such computer might have a kilowatt power source and with calculation running will be using large fraction of that power. For comparison a typical tea kettle has two kilowatts power input and boils two liters under five minutes.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB I don’t think that’s the surprising fact, but the amount of water. Half a litre in cooling water per 20 requests seems a lot.
I think I read once that when cooling using river water, the discharged water may not be more than half a degree (Celsius) above the intake water.
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@Bulb Yeah, but in a cooling system, you wouldn't be using "up" the water? So a flow rate of half a liter of water per 20 requests seems very low, but you just recirculate that water (e.g., let it cool off somewhere else and then reuse it). A loss of half a liter of water per 20 requests seems high on the other (IMO).
Eh.
More random-ass Googling. A query is apparently around 6100 to 9400 Joules (0.0017 kWh to 0.0026 kWh were the figures that I got originally, but using kWh for this is kinda retarded). It takes ~4200 Joules to heat 1 kg/1 liter of water 1 degree C. So 20 queries are enough to heat 1 liter of water by somewhere between 30 to 45 degrees or half a liter by twice that (60-90 C).
To heat water by upwards 60-90 degrees, your HW would have to be at least that hot, meaning that even with zero degree water in (I'm guessing you don't have that?), your HW would be running at that temperature. And I doubt you'd keep the water on the chip until it reaches thermal equilibrium, so the HW would need to be even hotter.
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I think part of the issue with water use is that this puts more strain on the public water network, because most datacentres just use the regular water supply. They could use rainwater, or directly pump from/to a river (like e.g. nuclear power plants do), but for most places I assume they're just plugged into whatever water network runs in the industrial estate where they are, for no reason other than simplicity of building.
And once they've pumped it out of the supply network, they're probably not allowed to dump it anywhere else than the waste water network, which again means more useless work on that slightly-tepid-but-perfectly-clean water.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in I, ChatGPT:
Truely, the most horrid of realities.
I wonder what chatgpt thinks.
Indeed, it is an incontrovertible truth that sometimes we find ourselves facing the most horrifying aspects of reality. The moments where darkness seems to overshadow the light, where despair feels more prevalent than hope. It is during these times that we are reminded of the capacity for cruelty and malevolence that exists within the world, elements that can create an almost unimaginable degree of suffering and sorrow. These instances, sadly, represent the nadir of human experience, highlighting the worst of what life can potentially entail.
In the face of such grim realities, it is often difficult to find solace or a sliver of optimism. The darkness can engulf one's perspective, leaving an indelible mark on one's psyche. The sheer gravity of the horrors witnessed can sometimes make it feel as if there is no escape, no respite from the relentless onslaught of negativity. It is a truly tragic state of affairs, one where happiness seems fleeting and transient, as if it were a mere illusion easily shattered by the harsh truths that lie beneath.
Yet, amidst the bleakness, there exists a flicker of hope, a testament to the resilience of the human spirit. A reminder that even in the face of the most daunting adversities, there is a potential for healing and recovery. It is a whisper of a possibility, a subtle suggestion that perhaps, just perhaps, there is more to life than the horrors that sometimes plague our existence. This notion urges us to hold onto our humanity, to strive for empathy and compassion, even when confronted with the darkest facets of reality.
As we navigate through the labyrinthine paths of life, fraught with challenges and tribulations, it is imperative that we remain vigilant, fostering a spirit of resilience and determination. By acknowledging the darkness, yet refusing to be consumed by it, we carve out a space for light, for hope, and for a better future. It is through this balance of acknowledging the horrific realities, yet continuously seeking the beauty and goodness that also exists, that we find a way to endure, to grow, and to perhaps one day, transcend the most horrid of realities.
FFS. @remi, repharse that in less than a paragraph.
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@remi said in I, ChatGPT:
I think part of the issue with water use is that this puts more strain on the public water network, because most datacentres just use the regular water supply. They could use rainwater, or directly pump from/to a river (like e.g. nuclear power plants do), but for most places I assume they're just plugged into whatever water network runs in the industrial estate where they are, for no reason other than simplicity of building.
And once they've pumped it out of the supply network, they're probably not allowed to dump it anywhere else than the waste water network, which again means more useless work on that slightly-tepid-but-perfectly-clean water.
Some data center / water drama of note:
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@boomzilla Well, given that picture and the caption:
Steam rises above the cooling towers in The Dalles data center in Oregon. These plumes of water vapor create a mist at dusk
... guess the losses really are due to evaporation then.
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@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@boomzilla Well, given that picture and the caption:
Steam rises above the cooling towers in The Dalles data center in Oregon. These plumes of water vapor create a mist at dusk
... guess the losses really are due to evaporation then.
There will always be some losses due to evaporation and leaks. But the vast majority of water is not being "used" or "consumed". If you are "using" hundreds of millions of gallons of water, you're doing it wrong.
They should be able to chill and reuse the vast majority of the water used for cooling. But it appears that they aren't doing that. Instead they are just sucking in huge amounts of water and then throwing it away.
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@Gern_Blaanston chilling it would take even more energy. Or space and attention for cooling ponds.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gern_Blaanston chilling it would take even more energy. Or space and attention for cooling ponds.
Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the negotiations to locate at The Dalles included "all the water you need for free (or at least a substantial discount from normal rates)". So why bother reusing it...
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@boomzilla Data centers in Canada just open the windows
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@TimeBandit and have a green lawn also during winter?
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@TimeBandit said in I, ChatGPT:
@boomzilla Data centers in Canada just open the windows
Canadian data centers use Windows?
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@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
FFS. @remi, repharse that in less than a paragraph.
I write Wall'O'Text, I don't read them.
Well I guess nobody does, but certainly not me.
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That RemiGPT thing doesn't sound very cooperative.
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@Zerosquare you have to trigger it with the right keywords.
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Does anybody know what the Académie française has to say about this topic?
Filed under: exploits
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@topspin that's too on the nose, needs to be a bit more subtle.
You see, the Académie isn't really in charge of any topic that isn't the language itself. I mean, they are not really in charge of the language itself either, it's not like there is an official text that says they have an actual real authority in the matter, but then again everyone acts as if they do and if they didn't have some impact then nobody would talk so much about them which clearly is the case as they get mentioned so often and in any case...
Ah, crap.
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@dcon said in I, ChatGPT:
@Benjamin-Hall said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gern_Blaanston chilling it would take even more energy. Or space and attention for cooling ponds.
Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the negotiations to locate at The Dalles included "all the water you need for free (or at least a substantial discount from normal rates)". So why bother reusing it...
All of that is 100% true. But irrelevant.
You can't have it both ways -- If you allow companies to use an unlimited amount of water then you can't complain that they are using too much water.