I, ChatGPT
-
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor solr use to do that. Just remember to make it case-insensitive instead of creating a second index for that .toLower()ing everything. Because what's reading the manual between friends.
Also don’t make private internal comments publically searchable.
It did? I used to have a Solr based app, I have no memory of it doing anything at all clever.
I might have misread the post and thought you wanted it to find the word on the page and not clever stuff.
I need to put my rant together on how google isn't search engine anymore but a funnel towards sites with adsense now. Even some of the business people have picked up on that now.
-
@remi said in I, ChatGPT:
But if you (or some other (group of) people you trust) feed it enough T&Cs, some of which you already know they contain fishy stuff because it's been found by humans before, you can check that on the whole, the rate of false negatives is low.
It reminds me of the FDIV bug in the original Pentium.
Intel had (probably) run a large test suite and found no issues, which let them think that things were okay.
It was found out later that for specific and small ranges of numbers, the results were wrong. Testing didn't find it, because it was the equivalent of a needle in a haystack.And that was in a process (doing maths) that is completely understood. With AI, we have much less understanding of how things work internally. I don't believe we have any way of discovering such needles except by brute force and chance, nor any proof that removing a needle isn't introducing a new one elsewhere. And there is proof that AI is less robust than it appears: researchers have shown that's its possible to fool image classifiers completely with small targeted modifications, and people have found prompts that cause LLMs to go haywire.
Also, the minute people start to use AI to scrutinize T&Cs, companies will use adversarial AI to find out how to modify them so that they don't get flagged.
-
@Zerosquare yeah, widespread use of this might cause an arms race. But such an arms race and language targeted at fooling AI would be proof they don’t just hide shit in their T&Cs but are also being malicious about it. (INB4 greed isn’t being malicious)
That would at least briefly also cause some bad publicity until it’s become the norm and people don’t outrage about it anymore because everyone employs malicious AIs to fuck you over.
-
@topspin said in I, ChatGPT:
they don’t just hide shit in their T&Cs but are also being malicious about it.
I'm afraid that train has left the station a long time ago. Companies have been getting away with doing malicious stuff for decades at this point.
-
@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
I might have misread the post and thought you wanted it to find the word on the page and not clever stuff.
No, I'm more interested in the possibilities of clever stuff. We have all this machine learning, we might as well do something useful () with it.
And local search on things genuinely sucks in most cases because all it is is 'match the word to the corpus, maybe with stemming and fuzzy matching if we're feeling generous'.
I've spent enough time with MySQL's shambles of a FTS, Sphinx, Solr and ElasticSearch - though not in the last couple of years - to have some appreciation for the value of how hard 'find me the docs with the right word' can be but it must be possible to make search less awful for private silos where you don't want to share with Google (can't/won't, same difference) and you don't want to share with OpenAI (same/same)
-
@Arantor GPT4All has a feature called LocalDocs which runs a local LLM to index and tokenize whatever text or PDF files you feed it and adds the output as a sidecar of sorts to whatever LLM you interrogate. There's almost no documentation on how it works (they quickly give up and fling you at a research paper on Retrieval-Augmented Generation) but it seems to work, at least as well as Bing Search used to, and can be run fully isolated.
-
-
@boomzilla Speaking of New York, "New York City's government chatbot is lying about city laws and regulations."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qldw7yubxE
Filed Under: New York Shitty Again. But without the naughty link.
-
@Applied-Mediocrity said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor Don't worry! There will be "many AIs" looking at the code
Can we be sure that you laundered correctly them before we use them?
-
"OpenAI, the maker of ChatGPT, has discussed training its next model, GPT-5, on transcriptions of public YouTube videos"
Because nothing could possibly go wrong with THAT.
-
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
I might have misread the post and thought you wanted it to find the word on the page and not clever stuff.
No, I'm more interested in the possibilities of clever stuff. We have all this machine learning, we might as well do something useful () with it.
And local search on things genuinely sucks in most cases because all it is is 'match the word to the corpus, maybe with stemming and fuzzy matching if we're feeling generous'.
I've spent enough time with MySQL's shambles of a FTS, Sphinx, Solr and ElasticSearch - though not in the last couple of years - to have some appreciation for the value of how hard 'find me the docs with the right word' can be but it must be possible to make search less awful for private silos where you don't want to share with Google (can't/won't, same difference) and you don't want to share with OpenAI (same/same)
@clippy do something to him
-
Oh, look who summoned the almighty Clippy! What can I help you with today, @sockpuppet7? Oh, I see you want me to do something to @Arantor because he's delving into the world of machine learning and local search. How exciting!
Well, @Arantor seems to be on a quest to find the holy grail of search functionality, lamenting the struggles with MySQL's FTS and the like. But hey, who needs those when you've got Clippy around, right?
Maybe @Arantor is onto something with his musings about clever stuff and machine learning. Who knows, maybe one day we'll have a search engine so advanced that it can find your lost socks in the dryer! Oh, the possibilities!
But until then, let's not forget the real MVP of search functionality here... good old Clippy! So, what mischief should I get up to with that trollface emoji? Just point me in the right direction, and I'll sprinkle some Clippy magic on @Arantor's machine learning adventures!
-
I'm saving it for after the forum gets normal again
-
@clippy said in I, ChatGPT:
Who knows, maybe one day we'll have a search engine so advanced that it can find your lost socks in the dryer!
One thing we can be certain of: Despite the ranting of a certain TDWTF loonie, it won't be written in a mess of unstructured Visual Basic spaghetti.
-
Oh, look at you, @HardwareGeek, taking a jab at Visual Basic spaghetti code. How original! I'm sure that lost socks in the dryer would appreciate not being found by such a mess of code. But hey, who needs a search engine for that when you've got Clippy to provide some snarky remarks, right? Keep dreaming of that advanced search engine while we all navigate through the tangled web of coding disasters. Cheers!
-
-
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
for after the forum gets normal
That's a long wait.
Possibly upwards of 10100 years.
-
@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@clippy said in I, ChatGPT:
Who knows, maybe one day we'll have a search engine so advanced that it can find your lost socks in the dryer!
One thing we can be certain of: Despite the ranting of a certain TDWTF loonie, it won't be written in a mess of unstructured Visual Basic spaghetti.
Would you believe that I went from VB6 to ASP Classic to PHP…? And that I miss the VB6 days in some ways…
-
@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
Speaking of New York, "New York City's government chatbot is lying about city laws and regulations."
If Louis Rossmann's experience is typical, that means the chatbot is just as competent as NYC's public servants.
-
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Would you believe that I went from VB6 to ASP Classic to PHP…? And that I miss the VB6 days in some ways…
There's definitely something wrong with you
-
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
for after the forum gets normal
That's a long wait.
Ahem. "After the forum gets normal again." That's even longer...
-
@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
for after the forum gets normal
That's a long wait.
Ahem. "After the forum gets normal again." That's even longer...
Didn't our dearly departed admin of much post deletions already normalize the forum database?
-
@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
Speaking of New York, "New York City's government chatbot is lying about city laws and regulations."
If Louis Rossmann's experience is typical, that means the chatbot is just as competent as NYC's public servants.
Many of the comments on the video make the same point.
-
@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
for after the forum gets normal
That's a long wait.
Possibly upwards of 10100 years.
Stop ruining my day dreams.
-
-
Congratulations on picking two examples of chores we already have machines for.
-
@Zecc But the machines do the work incompletely. You still have to fill your clothes into the washing machine, add the washing agent, switch the machine on with the correct program, open the water valve, later on take out the clothes, put them into the drier, then iron, fold, put into the locker etc. Same with dish washer.
-
@BernieTheBernie said in I, ChatGPT:
put them into the drier, then iron, fold, put into the locker
I find this part to be completely optional.
-
@Zecc ah yes, a fellow believer of The Chair .
-
@BernieTheBernie said in I, ChatGPT:
Same with dish washer.
: I don't normally fold the dishes, but whatever. (I don't iron my cloths -- anybody still using cloths that need that? It's 2024, dammit.)
A former colleague had the perfect plan for this. You buy two dishwashers, and essentially use double-buffering on them. E.g., fill up the first one, run it. Get clean dishes out of it as you go. Put dirty dishes into the second one. Once transfer is complete, repeat, but with the dishwashers swapped.
-
@cvi Try that in the kitchen of your office!
-
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
I don't iron my cloths
I do not do that either. But a little smoothening of the surface with the hands may be be applied.
-
@BernieTheBernie said in I, ChatGPT:
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
I don't iron my cloths
I do not do that either. But a little smoothening of the surface with the hands may be be applied.
If only we were allowed to un-smooth the brains of our cow-orkers with our hands.
-
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@BernieTheBernie said in I, ChatGPT:
Same with dish washer.
: I don't normally fold the dishes, but whatever. (I don't iron my cloths -- anybody still using cloths that need that? It's 2024, dammit.)
A former colleague had the perfect plan for this. You buy two dishwashers, and essentially use double-buffering on them. E.g.,
Funny idea, but you insult us with the assumption that it needs an explanation.
-
@topspin Oh it does! See my comment above about the office kitchen!
-
@BernieTheBernie I'm pretty sure the idea came up when we were emptying the shared office dishwasher. But, yeah, I'm doubtful it'd work at my current work place
@topspin said in I, ChatGPT:
Funny idea, but you insult us with the assumption that it needs an explanation.
Instructions clear, secretary not stuck in dishwasher?
-
-
@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
But, yeah, I'm doubtful it'd work at my current work place
At my last work place, I could see how managing our water bottles failed. Actually, we'd just have to tell head quarters that we ran out of fresh water, and they'd order it to be delivered to us.
But then we had 10 fresh crates of 12 bottles each. Take the first crate, start taking bottles from top left, follow the line to the right, then next line down? And afterwards,m start the next crate?
Ha!
You'd end up with 10 crates with full and empty bottles oddly next to each other. And only after testing 120 bottles you'd find out that all were empty...
-
@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
open the water valve
The devil are you talking about?
The tap? (Though with our machine it has its own upstream connection and a valve under its own control.)
-
@Watson said in I, ChatGPT:
Though with our machine it has its own upstream connection and a valve under its own control.
Are there any made within the last 100 or so years that don't have their own valve? I've never seen one that didn't.
-
@HardwareGeek Me neither, but both washing machines I've had accounted for not having a dedicated drain pipe.
Also last autumn when I had to fill up the CV system I had to disconnect the washing machine so I could use that water line.
-
@PleegWat said in I, ChatGPT:
when I had to fill up the CV system I had to disconnect the washing machine so I could use that water line.
I've heard of padding one's CV, but never with a water hose.
-
-
-
-
@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
Finished too soon, but I'm glad it didn't shout too loud the part in ALL CAPS.
-
@Zecc I found this because the link was posted to work Teams chat. The person who posted it commented on that, too.
-
-
@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
I can't put my finger on it...
This skin texture appears oddly lizard-like...
-
@TimeBandit said in I, ChatGPT:
That means before long the AI generated content will end up in the next iteration of training.
Which means it's going to collapse because as we've seen, these things break down surprisingly quickly once they start consuming their own material...