Betaverse
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Ironic.
Also, who the hell cares what the betaverse looks like if the entire concept is pants on head retarded?
This is just embarrassing, and yet Zuckerberg seems entirely immune to the embarrassment
Defective emotion chip.
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@Gurth but Second Life looks better than this too. This is Third Life, trying to catch up with where Second Life was years ago - and failing.
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@Arantor Basically this.
The other comparison seems to be VRchat. Except that VRchat (originally) was marginally interesting, thanks to not having a soulless megacorp carefully and mercilessly eliminate everything fun in it.
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@Gurth but Second Life looks better than this too. This is Third Life, trying to catch up with where Second Life was years ago - and failing.
Go fourth and multiply.
Filed under: BAD IDEAS THREAD
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Status: visiting my mother and she’s got old school OTA TV on, which has the problem that you cannot block ads.
Anyway, some ad started:
“Some people think the meta verse only exists virtually. But in the future, everyone can attend this university from the meta verse. You can <list of other ridiculous bullshit I couldn’t remember.>”
It was of course an ad byFacebookMetaFUUUUCK.
People don’t think the betaverse only “exists” virtually. The betaverse doesn’t exist to begin with, and people don’t think about it at all.Got to hand it to them, though, good use of trying to trigger FOMA by making people think other people care about this crap.
Stop trying to make betaverse happen!
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But in the future, everyone can attend this university from the meta verse.
Yes, because the one thing that crappy online lectures over a 5 bps video link really need is having to view them through a crappy HMD glued to your head.
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crappy HMD glued to your head
Crappy Neuralink machine glued to your head, for maximum... education
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Recently, I’ve heard a radio commercial here in the Netherlands a bunch of times, that starts with a woman’s voice saying something like, “If I want to get my company onto the Metaverse, I’ll need to find an army of programmers quickly, but where?”
In my mind, it goes “If I want to get my company onto the Metaverse, I’ll need to stop and reconsider quickly.”
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@Zerosquare wait, there’s an actual app? I thought it’s all snake oil and hot air.
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@Gurth it does sound like those “billions” they’ve apparently invested have almost all gone into marketing and advertisement. Like, people are even talking about this shit to begin with and ask me WTF it’s supposed to be.
As in the example from my earlier post, they’re trying really hard to create the perception that other people care about this. The real message of “I want to get in on the betaverse, how do I do that? Oh, Facebook makes it cheap and easy!” isn’t actually the second part, as you’d superficially think. It’s about establishing the ridiculous premise anybody gives a shit about it.It’s all about creating FOMO and fooling execs into thinking this is a real thing, with a touch of urgency.
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It’s all about creating FOMO and fooling execs into thinking this is a real thing, with a touch of urgency.
Some people talk about Fear Of Missing Anything as a variant of FOMO.
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@Gurth it does sound like those “billions” they’ve apparently invested have almost all gone into marketing and advertisement.
It must be working, because the radio commercial I referred to, is not actually for this Metaverse, or even by Facebook, but for some company (whose name I don’t remember at all) that would help the speaker find the “army of programmers” she supposedly needs.
Edit, about 8 hours later: having heard the commercial again today, I paid attention. It’s by a bank, for some financing programme they have that would let the speaker hire that “army of programmers”.
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nobody ed me oh my typo last time?
Something did seem off there, but in my head Fear Of Missing Aut made perfect sense...
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Yon radio reports that Putin has declared Meta a terrorist organization, because of perceived use in antiauthoritarian activity... "In Ruszyet Russia -
bmetaverse criticizes you?"
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@MrL will be available starting 2024.
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Now that you can see legs with it's a steal!
:nathan_fillion_never_mind.g(as in j)if:
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.g(as in j)if
(I was looking if anybody had altered a picture of a bottle of Jif cleaning stuff to have a G in the name, but found the above instead.)
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Carmack also seemed skeptical that the $1,499, feature-laden Quest Pro was the right product for Meta to be focusing on at this time. "I've always been clear that I'm all about the cost-effective mass-market headsets being the most important thing for us and for the adoption of VR," Carmack said. "And Quest Pro is definitely not that..."
As a "counterpoint" to the push for the Quest Pro in the Meta offices, Carmack says he "personally still [tries] to drum up interest internally in this vision of a super cheap, super lightweight headset." His rallying cry, he says, is a target of "$250 and 250 grams" for a headset that cuts out as many extraneous features as possible while still being usable [...]Yeah, I don't get the market for the Quest Pro. It's expensive. The displays are relatively low-res (they're apparently "quantum dot", so who knows, maybe they have a decent dynamic range/contrast and color coverage). It comes with a shitty mobile-class SoC, so don't actually expect to do anything good-looking with it (as Meta has amply demonstrated with 4-polygon 1998-shading Suckerberg). Battery apparently lasts for 1-2 hours, so don't expect to do anything useful with it either. (Inb4 that's longer than most will want to wear the thing anyway.)
I can vaguely understand a $250 HMD with shitty mobile-class HW. That puts it into fuck-you money range a bunch of people(*). They might even sucker some manager type person to buy a few for work or whatever. You can probably play Beatsaber on it (assuming it has non-shit controls). But I also have my doubts whether it'd be anything ground breaking ... again WTF are people supposed to do with it?
(*) However, it'll have facebook all over it, so ... yeah, hard pass.
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@cvi Or they could stop pissing against the wind.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Betaverse:
@cvi Or they could stop pissing against the wind.
If you're saying that near an Xbox, you should probably have your irony dosimeter checked.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Betaverse:
@cvi Or they could stop pissing against the wind.
If you're saying that near an Xbox, you should probably have your irony dosimeter checked.
Mine reads 3.5 Sv. Is that good?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Betaverse:
@cvi Or they could stop pissing against the wind.
If you're saying that near an Xbox, you should probably have your irony dosimeter checked.
Mine reads 3.5 Sv. Is that good?
Not great, but not terrible.
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@Gribnit Not sure I agree. I could respect a person using the word "terrible" to describe that dosimeter reading, especially if it's from their dosimeter.
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@Gribnit Not sure I agree. I could respect a person using the word "terrible" to describe that dosimeter reading, especially if it's from their dosimeter.
Indeed! I now see that I left out 1d2 quotation marks.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Betaverse:
@cvi Or they could stop pissing against the wind.
Seems to me they are trying hard to do that, it's just that their approach to the issue involves changing the direction of the wind.
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fuck-you money range a bunch of people().
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() However, it'll have facebook all over it, so ... yeah, hard pass.So not fuck-you money but fuck-’em-I-won’t-give-’em-money.
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So they think people will pay $1500 to have their eye movement tracked for maximally annoying advertisements. I have a feeling our lizard overlords have slightly lost touch with reality.
“We know that this kind of information can be used to determine what people are feeling, especially emotions like happiness or anxiety,” said Ray Walsh, a digital privacy researcher at ProPrivacy. “When you can literally see a person look at an ad for a watch, glance for ten seconds, smile, and ponder whether they can afford it, that’s providing more information than ever before.”
Yeah, because people like seeing ads.
It would be hilarious if after all this, the advertisers paying Facebook for all this crap found out that everybody actively ignores their crap.However, that’s not going to happen since nobody outside prison torture chambers will use this.
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WTF are people supposed to do with it?
You know the microsoft-style office layout where people don't have their own desks, but just a screen and a dock for a laptop in an 80cm "seat", along a long row of "seats", in an open-plan field of identical rows? Yeah, that nightmare. The basic problem with that is the total lack of privacy or concentration-ability in all the noise and crampedness. Plus, you know, meatsacks need to move around to have meetings that they insist on holding face-to-face.
These goggles are supposed to rectify that by giving every human-battery the virtual experience of their private workspace. And meeting space, and whatnot. So that you can plop human resources into the grid on the factory floor without them getting all whiny about it.
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you gotta give em your money-
you gotta give em your moneyfuck-’em-I-won’t-give-’em-money!
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These goggles are supposed to rectify that by giving every human-battery the virtual experience of their private workspace.
Well, yes (in theory), but also no.
It's maybe what the corpo overlords want, and as much as I dislike it, at least I can see the point of that.
But then you have this specific headset. Battery driven, with 1h-2h use per charge. Even non-evil corpo overlords expect slightly more work than that out of the average worker. If you wanted to make a HMD for the minimum viable grid of people, you'd make it tethered.
Next, the crappy resolution. The funky qdot display leans more into better color representation (seemingly, no independent benchmarks yet, AFAIK). If you want people to work with these headsets, you wouldn't care about that. Resolution matters though, since you probably need to interact with text in the virtual environment.
Shitty SoC probably matters less.
Eyetracking inside the HMD is useful though. Wouldn't want your worker drones to ever not pay attention. (Also, detecting a smile? Better call the manager...)
Then again, why legs? Who cares? Probably not a good thing, after all you don't want your drones to get any ideas about running away.
So that you can plop human resources into the grid on the factory floor without them getting all whiny about it.
Sure. But this isn't the device for that.
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Eyetracking inside the HMD is useful though. Wouldn't want your worker drones to ever not pay attention.
It could also be used to offset the shortcomings of the crappy SoC: Technically, you don't need full-resolution rendering anywhere but the specific part of screen the user is looking at. Human eyes don't have all that sharp an image anywhere but the center of view.
Then again, why legs? Who cares? Probably not a good thing, after all you don't want your drones to get any ideas about running away.
Looking for that sweet spot between low-res-pukey -valley and uncanny valley, most likely. Small things matter. For example, it's been shown that putting a virtual nose in the user's field of view, between the eye-locations, decreases puking a lot.
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It could also be used to offset the shortcomings of the crappy SoC: Technically, you don't need full-resolution rendering anywhere but the specific part of screen the user is looking at. Human eyes don't have all that sharp an image anywhere but the center of view.
That's assuming they can get the tracking latency low enough (and accurate). Even HMDs with dedicated high-performance eye tracking (e.g., IR illumination + cameras inside the HMD) have struggled with that. Admittedly they've gotten much better in the last 2-3 years. Saccades suck.
Then you still need to render at a lower resolution elsewhere. NVIDIA has VRS for that in HW; if you start doing it in software ... starts having a bunch of tradeoffs. (You can maybe just reduce the effort you put in shading outside, but still. Also their shading looks cheap and crap already.)
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So they think people will pay $1500 to have their eye movement tracked for maximally annoying advertisements.
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However, that’s not going to happen since nobody outside prison torture chambers will use this.
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@Applied-Mediocrity dunno, isn't comparison to Sweden the sociological equivalent of multiplying by zero?
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Heck, I don't even want my parrot to get a chip (even though he's supposed to).
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@Zerosquare they're called crackers.
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Zuckerberg's personal fortune has shrunk, falling from $125 billion in January to $49.1 billion
Oh no! I’m sure he’ll be spotted at a food bank soon. Poor man.