The Belt Onion club
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@LaoC said in The Belt Onion club:
@HardwareGeek said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
cracking open a finely aged, single malt bottle of Advil.
Just don't do that with a bottle of Tylenol. Some medicines lose potency as they age; others become toxic as they deteriorate. Acetaminophen is in the latter category. (So are many people I know.)
Tylenol by the bottle is on par with polonium as one of the nastiest ways to kill yourself to begin with, no aging necessary.
Goddamn what a combat drug tho.
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@boomzilla I am in this post. Growing up in the 60s and 70s in what is now wall-to-wall suburbia (of Los Angeles), it was already mostly suburban, but there were still large areas of orange and olive groves and horse ranches. One pair of grandparents lived in the San Bernardino/Riverside area. Across the street from their house were miles and miles of orange and grapefruit groves; now, miles and miles of apartments. My other grandparents moved to a retirement community when I was 7–8(?), and the first few times we went to visit them required driving almost the whole length of Sepulveda Blvd. (the longest north-south road in Los Angeles), because I-405 hadn't been built, yet.
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@HardwareGeek yeah, I got the dairy stories from my parents in Orange / LA Counties. I remember the orange groves around Riverside that have pretty much all been developed by now. Actually, the dairies in Norco, too.
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@boomzilla That happened in the house I grew up in Illinois. Moved there in 1976, happened within 5 years.
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@dcon said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla That happened in the house I grew up in Illinois. Moved there in 1976, happened within 5 years.
Beginning to see a pattern here.
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"Font?" How old is this person?
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
Where I grew up I use to play bog ball (Gaelic football) where the local school now sits. The old school was flattened and turned into houses. The guy who owned the field we played in was recently arrested for possession of child porn.
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@Zecc said in The Belt Onion club:
"Font?" How old is this person?
On that page:
I'm not sure the original console fonts were even provided by the OS
I’m guessing this reply was being nice instead of just saying, “How young are you that you assume there was such a thing as computer fonts at all at the time?”
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@Gurth said in The Belt Onion club:
How young are you that you assume there was such a thing as computer fonts at all at the time?
This brings back memories of working with termcap files. Long-repressed memories. Excuse me, I'm going to go take some Valium now.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
I remember when it was all fields, then it became a city centre, now it's a commercial district of another even bigger city. I was there before the city was founded and I managed to outlive it.
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@Gurth said in The Belt Onion club:
I’m guessing this reply was being nice instead of just saying, “How young are you that you assume there was such a thing as computer fonts at all at the time?”
Meh. It's not an irrational question of the OP. It rubs me the wrong way when a techie acts like they can't make any sense of a sensible question because someone doesn't use the right jargon. I can pretty much guarantee you that monitors and printers of the time used something that we could reasonably describe as a font. It probably even has a name.
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@jinpa It’s not an irrational question, but one that shows unawareness of the past¹ — and this is the thread.
¹ Specifically, the belief among a lot of people that everything to do with the shapes of letters is a font,² in this case coupled to the idea that an operating system rather than the hardware it runs on would provide the details of one.
² I’ve seen cases where people referred to handwriting as a font.
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@Gurth said in The Belt Onion club:
using [font] rather than “typeface”
I've mentioned before that I grew up in a family of printers. My great-grandfather, grandfather, and mother all worked as printers, and although I was never employed in the printing trades, we had a vintage printing press in the garage, and I learned to set type.
Back in the days of hand-set type, font denoted a quantity of type — enough to set one page of typical text (or something like that; I don't remember the exact definition). You might walk into a shop that sold printing type and say something like, I need three fonts of 10-point Times Roman, one font of 10-point Times Roman bold, two of 12-point Times Roman, and one of 18-point Caslon demi-bold italic. You'd walk out with seven packages of little bits of metal shaped like letters, each containing a certain number of As, a certain number of Bs, a certain number of Cs, etc., according to how often they're used, on average, in text (and on the face; you don't need as many letters total of a large face used for headlines as you do of a small face used for body text, but you might need a larger proportion of capitals). Obviously, this is very different from modern (mis-)use, in which you can have an infinite number of Qs in a single "font" of Times New Roman. (In physical type, you might get, maybe, 5 or something; hope you weren't printing a book about the queens of England.)
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@HardwareGeek "Font" even had a more general usage of "open receptacle" in certain contexts (but not others). For example, you still hear the phrase "baptismal font". And it may also be the case (pun intended) that the basin of Holy Water in a Catholic or Orthodox church is called a font.
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@jinpa In that sense, I believe it's from the same root as fountain. I'm not sure of the etymology of font in connection with type (and to look it up).
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@HardwareGeek This source gives them separate origins. However, I note that one has "fountain", the other has "melting, pouring out", so I'm not yet convinced that they don't ultimately have the same source, as both relate to liquids/water.
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@jinpa said in The Belt Onion club:
@HardwareGeek "Font" even had a more general usage of "open receptacle" in certain contexts (but not others). For example, you still hear the phrase "baptismal font". And it may also be the case (pun intended) that the basin of Holy Water in a Catholic or Orthodox church is called a font.
My church uses the term "font" for baptismal basins of water (in a couple contexts). It's a bit archaic, associated with scriptural uses. But still quite recognizable in the "open receptacle of water" context.
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@jinpa said in The Belt Onion club:
the other has "melting, pouring out"
That makes sense. The manufacturer melted the type metal (an alloy of lead, tin and antimony with the unusual property of expanding as it solidifies, forcing it into the details of the mold) and poured it into a mold to create the type.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Belt Onion club:
I've mentioned before that I grew up in a family of printers.
As anyone made the "does running out of cyan run in the family" joke yet?
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@HardwareGeek said in The Belt Onion club:
@jinpa In that sense, I believe it's from the same root as fountain. I'm not sure of the etymology of font in connection with type (and to look it up).
You are a fount of knowledge, sir.
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@Zecc said in The Belt Onion club:
@HardwareGeek said in The Belt Onion club:
I've mentioned before that I grew up in a family of printers.
As anyone made the "does running out of cyan run in the family" joke yet?
No, but as a matter of fact I tried to print some stuff for church this morning, but the printer refused because it's out of cyan and magenta. I had previously told it to ignore that and just print black, but this morning it wouldn't give me that option.
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@HardwareGeek Should have kept that vintage printing press in the garage …
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@dcon What dark magic allows you multiple bullets on screen?
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@PleegWat said in The Belt Onion club:
@dcon What dark magic allows you multiple bullets on screen?
It matters not - despite their calling upon the spirit Seeartiephaede, they fire where the opponent is, but not where they are going to be.
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@PleegWat said in The Belt Onion club:
@dcon What dark magic allows you multiple bullets on screen?
Lag from playing via Stadia.
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@dcon So without the Muppets, there would have been no TDWTF?
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Varying degrees of
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@Gustav What degree of is it if you've never owned any of them?
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@Gustav I still have my GameBoy.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Belt Onion club:
@Gustav What degree of is it if you've never owned any of them?
Real .
None of those pictured are actually old enough for just yet.
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@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
None of those pictured are actually old enough for just yet.
The one in the top left corner is from 1977. Several members in this topic are younger than that.
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@Zerosquare said in The Belt Onion club:
@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
None of those pictured are actually old enough for just yet.
The one in the top left corner is from 1977. Several members in this topic are younger than that.
Some of us were in high school then. There may even be a couple that were out of HS by then.
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@Zerosquare said in The Belt Onion club:
@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
None of those pictured are actually old enough for just yet.
The one in the top left corner is from 1977. Several members in this topic are younger than that.
That's not .
However...
@dcon said in The Belt Onion club:
The one in the top left corner is from 1977. Several members in this topic are younger than that.
Some of us were in high school then. There may even be a couple that were out of HS by then.
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I remember when emails were more likely to be fraud than phone calls.
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@Gribnit said in The Belt Onion club:
I remember when emails were more likely to be fraud than phone calls.
I remember when phone calls were more likely to be fraud. Because email didn't exist.
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@dcon said in The Belt Onion club:
@Gribnit said in The Belt Onion club:
I remember when emails were more likely to be fraud than phone calls.
I remember when phone calls were more likely to be fraud. Because email didn't exist.
Bam, found a phone-fraud apologist. Why is this so easy?
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@Gribnit Phone fraud. Still common, increasingly sophisticated.
US '83-88 had "let's change your long distance provider" phone spam, many elderly fell for it.
Japan late 1990s, telephone scams micro-target elderly, pretending to be a son/grandson asking to send money.
2023? ChatGPT + voice synthesis + demographic analysis could target billions.
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@Gearhead said in The Belt Onion club:
Phone fraud.
Still common, increasingly sophisticated.Common again, due to regulatory changeDo you think these guys are tapping in or something with like fancy VoIP shit? They're using telco service, and for COUGH some reason, are allowed to.
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@Gustav said in The Belt Onion club:
Varying degrees of
What level of is it when you only recognize the Atari joystick and the GameBoy?
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@GOG said in The Belt Onion club:
What level of is it when you only recognize the Atari joystick and the GameBoy?
You are welcome here!
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@GOG said in The Belt Onion club:
@Gustav said in The Belt Onion club:
Varying degrees of
What level of is it when you only recognize the Atari joystick and the GameBoy?
The GameBoy was released in 1989 but the NES in 1983 (Japan), so you can't solely attribute that to .
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@GOG said in The Belt Onion club:
@Gustav said in The Belt Onion club:
Varying degrees of
What level of is it when you only recognize the Atari joystick and the GameBoy?
No, that's gamer culture barbarism.
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@dcon said in The Belt Onion club:
I still have my GameBoy.
it still works as well as when it come out of the box. my daughter had some fun with it, only to put a switch on her christmas list. so marketing wise it still worked too.