WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
As someone who's gone through a recent DST change, I briefly entertained the idea of MS somehow putting back the clock one hour in one of the displays but not the others.
Got to have one display on Indian time for the remote administration team.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the taskbar no longer breaks
But can you put it on the correct edge of the screen?
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the taskbar no longer breaks
But can you put it on the correct edge of the screen?
You can only put it on the correct edge of the screen.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the taskbar no longer breaks
But can you put it on the correct edge of the screen?
You can only put it on the correct edge of the screen.
We may be in disagreement on which side this is.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the taskbar no longer breaks
But can you put it on the correct edge of the screen?
You can only put it on the correct edge of the screen.
We may be in disagreement on which side this is.
Sounds like a you problem.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the taskbar no longer breaks
But can you put it on the correct edge of the screen?
You can only put it on the correct edge of the screen.
We may be in disagreement on which side this is.
Sounds like a you problem.
No, this is definitely not a me problem.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
As someone who's gone through a recent DST change, I briefly entertained the idea of MS somehow putting back the clock one hour in one of the displays but not the others.
Got to have one display on Indian time for the remote administration team.
You know Windows lets you have more than one clock. (You have to hover to show the others.) I currently have only local and UTC, but I have at times had one for India. Fortunately, that's not useful for my current job.
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Is there anything in Windows 11 that justifies the effort of the upgrade?
I don't really care about the taskbar stuff, I don't really care about the aesthetic changes, if ads come to Explorer I'll just buy Directory Opus.
I'm currently on 10 21H1 Pro, and I'm probably going to buy a new SSD soon (this laptop came with 512GB, it's not enough for all the shoulder aliens shooting games I have) so when I do it'll be time to think about upgrading.
Any ideas? Or do I stick with the original plan of making it dual boot with some flavour of Linux so I can start to figure out escaping the Windows dependency hellhole?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is there anything in Windows 11 that justifies the effort of the upgrade?
I have yet to see anything. Except maybe... no, wait, that's an anti-justification.
Theoretically if you have a newfangled split-brain CPU with the turbo cores or whatever it actually uses them, but if not then IMO there's no point.
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@Tsaukpaetra well, system info says:
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10750H CPU @ 2.60GHz, 2592 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s)
I have long since entered the era where I can't keep up with the newfangled tech.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is there anything in Windows 11 that justifies the effort of the upgrade?
- 11 is higher than 10
- 11 doesn't nag you to upgrade to 11
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
11 doesn't nag you to upgrade to 11
Neither does 10 at present, I told it to fuck off.
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@Arantor a bit more seriously, there are theoretical performance increases but I haven't noticed them in normal useage. I've heard other people say games perform better for them in W11 but again for me I've not noticed any increase (nor a decrease though). I'm still on a 6700k though so YMMV on newer hardware and/or a laptop.
Plus the stuff noted already for 12th gen Intel CPUs.Built-in search sucks less, especially on the start menu. It's better at remembering the locations of windows on external displays so your windows are more likely to be where you left them than with W10. More stuff is in the new control panel rather than spread across 30493 places. Snapping windows is better than W10.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is there anything in Windows 11 that justifies the effort of the upgrade?
There are improvements but probably not. If you're reinstalling Windows either way then go for W11, if you're just cloning the SSD then don't bother IMO.
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@loopback0 thanks for saving me the typing, I agree with everything you said.
I haven't found a benefit yet big enough to offset the minor annoyances w.r.t. the changes in UX.
That said, I am on W11 with all my machines...
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
- 11 doesn't nag you to upgrade to 11
give it time....
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is there anything in Windows 11 that justifies the effort of the upgrade?
If you have a processor with cores of varying power (currently only Intel 12600K and up) it should use them more effectively than Windows 10.
If you have HDR capable display hardware, there's a feature to use HDR with games that weren't designed for it.
There's probably others, but those are the two that I can think of for "new features that are currently available in Windows 11 that aren't mostly UI changes". There's a couple others that may matter someday, like "better" DirectStorage support, but that doesn't matter now.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
- 11 is higher than 10
- 11 doesn't nag you to upgrade to 11
reinstalls Windows 2000
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@Zecc There is a version number higher than 2000, though: b0b
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@Parody yeah, I’m not. My box is a laptop that sits on my lap in the evenings, I doubt the laptop display is HDR and I don’t have a super spiffy CPU (though it’s still very capable)
I think there’s no improvements to come for Win11 for me except less nagging.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
11 doesn't nag you to upgrade to 11
10 isn't nagging me either. It might be due to the lack of a TPM; the machine's quite a few years old (and holding up very nicely indeed).
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
isn't nagging me either. It might be due to the lack of a TPM
I was going to quote you out of context, but I've realized just in time TPM is the initialism in Portuguese. In English it's PMS.
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@Zerosquare Poking around: Smart App Control is much the same as Apple's "only run programs from the App Store," (== signed) except that you can't make exceptions for specific programs. Also, the default is to let Microsoft's AI decide if
you should be allowed to turn it offit should be turned on.Definitely not worth wiping your computer.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Smart App Control
What if you only have dumb apps?
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Smart App Control
What if you only have dumb apps?
Then the AI will decide you don't need any control over them.
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the weather is still there ... :points_outside:
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
the weather is still there ... :points_outside:
Right where you left it?
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@MrL
it updated slow and then confused 'Brugge, Flemish Region' with 'Herne, Flemish Region' ... yes one is the third city in the Flemish Region by population and a major city since before there was anything 'Flemish' in this region and the other is some locality the other side of the region I didn't even heard of before ...Conclusion: getting out my phone and using that weather app was faster
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
it updated slow and then confused 'Brugge, Flemish Region' with 'Herne, Flemish Region' ... yes one is the third city in the Flemish Region by population and a major city since before there was anything 'Flemish' in this region and the other is some locality the other side of the region I didn't even heard of before ...
I've had it decide that I really wanted the local weather data (and news) for somewhere 300km away. I'm guessing the GeoIP DB was outdated (the ISP moves address assignments around) but Windows also really likes to cache the wrong information.
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@dkf
Not really ... it just has two Brugge's only one of witch is like the 6th Belgian city by size or something
Also ... yes it doesn't seem to retain my previous choice
: :
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When it comes to something like actually being able to move the taskbar to different locations on the screen, there's a number of challenges with that. When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to understand the environment is just huge.
Amazing. Like that's somehow a new challenge and not something that's already been possible since 1995. Guess such a small company with a brazillion developers just can't afford to have one of them spend 5 days on such an irrelevant feature.
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Just wait, Start11 or similar will be along soon enough to fix this nonsense.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
it updated slow and then confused 'Brugge, Flemish Region' with 'Herne, Flemish Region' ... yes one is the third city in the Flemish Region by population and a major city since before there was anything 'Flemish' in this region and the other is some locality the other side of the region I didn't even heard of before ...
I've had it decide that I really wanted the local weather data (and news) for somewhere 300km away. I'm guessing the GeoIP DB was outdated (the ISP moves address assignments around) but Windows also really likes to cache the wrong information.
Obviously, this is your fault for keeping a GPS receiver attached to your desktop computer.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Just wait, Start11 or similar will be along soon enough to fix this nonsense.
Currently Start11 just supports the top.
It seems the taskbar doesn't really work on the left/right so I assume Start11 would need to reimplement the whole thing.The taskbar will be almost entirely blank, but you’ll see some of the system tray status icons and the Quick Settings button jumbled in the corner. If you click the speaker and Wi-Fi icons, the Quick Settings menu will open as usual, but nothing else works.
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As you can see, at the moment, moving the taskbar to the left or right serves no useful purpose
To be fair this is true on earlier versions of Windows too
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I mean, at this point how hard could it be to roll your own that behaves more like how you want?
I’m certain it’s harder than it was when I did this for shits and giggles on Win98 but honestly… how hard can it be?
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@Arantor I'm sure it's beyond me but it's anyway as I'm fine with the taskbar where it is
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@loopback0
I have more issues with the this ... right click on an empty part of the tasks bar does nothing useful ...
why did they remove task manager from this menu?
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@Luhmann yeah and drag & drop is missing too although that's supposedly coming back in a future update.
You can at least right click the Start button for Task Manager.
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@loopback0 I did it as a stupid teenager in Visual Basic in 2002 when I had a potato computer that would struggle with XP but I wanted the taskbar grouping features.
Back then at least, there was nothing “special” about the taskbar, it was just a program that ran as defined in config as the first user-land process and if terminated unexpectedly, restarted.
I assume it’s infinitely more of a hot mess these days.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
right click the Start button for Task Manager.
how convenient
fake edit: likely by moving the start menu back left I created enough room to just add a shortcut out of spite
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
When it comes to something like actually being able to move the taskbar to different locations on the screen, there's a number of challenges with that. When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to understand the environment is just huge.
Amazing. Like that's somehow a new challenge and not something that's already been possible since 1995. Guess such a small company with a brazillion developers just can't afford to have one of them spend 5 days on such an irrelevant feature.
W
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Unfortunately, another Windows 10 taskbar feature is sorely missed, which is the ability to uncombine open windows for the same program.
The thing that amazes me is that there are developers behind this. People who use computers.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
waiting for Windows 11 side-taskbar support
Well, another reason not to downgrade to such a shitty OS.
I keep my taskbar neatly on the left.
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@topspin
1. Change the display orientation to Portrait
2. Turn your monitor sideways
3. Lock the taskbar
4. Turn the monitor back againProblem?
(apparently) Lock the taskbar is not an option anymore either?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
The thing that amazes me is that there are developers behind this. People who use computers.
Developers are morons just like everyone else.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
(apparently) Lock the taskbar is not an option anymore either?
There's nothing you can change so what's there to lock?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
The thing that amazes me is that there are developers behind this. People who use computers.
I'll take "What do Interns work on for 500, Alex"
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
(apparently) Lock the taskbar is not an option anymore either?
There's nothing you can change so what's there to lock?
Right. For some reason I imagined that locking the taskbah prevents changing the order of pinned apps, but it doesn't do that. I guess I should finally spin up a VM at least, to catch up with the latest amazing innovations.