WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
No guarantee they thought about anything.
They sure thought about that bonus they're receiving!
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare : This is great, it'll automatically document your work, so we can use that to train the intern that's replacing you.
So the intern will learn that WDTWTF is the site to use all workday long...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
No guarantee they thought about anything.
They sure thought about that bonus they're receiving!
Itβs the same company that came up with ActiveX. Is thinking about the consequences really to be expected here?
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@Bulb said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
there is a group of users for whom this feature would be useful
It, however, happens to also be a group whom the associated security risks could bite particularly hard.
"That's the engineering team's problem to figure out."
Thinking about the ways this could go wrong is not something the exec level ever thinks too hard about, only about the upsides and the monetisation potential.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Thinking about the ways this could go wrong is not something the exec level ever thinks too hard about, only about the upsides and the monetisation potential.
Oh, the Chief Counsel thinks about how things can go wrong quite a bit. And also how much their fees will be when the court case hits...
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If that really were true, this wouldn't be out in beta already with demonstrably bad implementation. Well, maybe the fees part is the rationale...
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
so we can use that to train the
internAI that's replacing you.FTF2024
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Thinking about the ways this could go wrong is not something the exec level ever thinks too hard about, only about the upsides and the monetisation potential.
Oh, the Chief Counsel thinks about how things can go wrong quite a bit. And also how much their fees will be when the court case hits...
Profits determining their bonus and shareholder value will be in this fiscal year. Then there will be a regularly scheduled reorg. Court case fees will be someone else's problem.
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@ixvedeusi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
so we can use that to train the
internAI that's replacing you.FTF2024
That's the real problem with businesses these days, always trading off quality for cost savings
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Status: This is new.
Trying to paste from Excel and it either gives me an empty table formatted as if it were that table (with no data) or if I munge it in Advanced Paste a plain-text or picture.
WTF happened?!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
WTF happened?!
You happened
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Trying to paste from Excel
Trying to paste into Excel (copy from one cell to another). Paste special was completely disabled. Could not paste as unformatted text. Excel insisted on overwriting the destination's formatting. Since the destination cell has a bunch of conditional formatting involving multiple cells, and for some reason format painter wasn't behaving as expected, either, this was a PITA. I don't remember seeing that behavior before.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
(copy from one cell to another). Paste special was completely disabled. Could not paste as unformatted text.
IIRC if you do the copy from the edit box at the top (i.e. get its content selected), you copy the text only and therefore then paste the text only.
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@Bulb Yeah, that's how I worked around the lack of Paste Special. But it's a PITA when you have 50 cells you have to copy one-at-a-time using that multi-step process.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Bulb Yeah, that's how I worked around the lack of Paste Special. But it's a PITA when you have 50 cells you have to copy one-at-a-time using that multi-step process.
This is why I have a "spreadsheet application" that's been in redesign hell for a long time now. The page I was working on the last time I touched it has ~15 items that you can customize; each item has a bunch of controls on that sheet and dozens of cells on multiple sheets that need to be duplicated and fixed by hand, formulas redone, named cells/ranges created and adjusted, the occasional VBA function fixed, and so on.
If it was something that was used more often I probably would have written an actual program (or web "program") for it by now, but instead we just put up with its quirks.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Bulb Yeah, that's how I worked around the lack of Paste Special. But it's a PITA when you have 50 cells you have to copy one-at-a-time using that multi-step process.
Gotta love the good ol' Notepad workaround...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
WTF happened?!
Apparently, it was trying to paste as an HTML table, and things got lost in translation (I blame Excel for not providing the right data). Pasting it as Rich Text Format worked completely fine!
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Thinking about the ways this could go wrong is not something the exec level ever thinks too hard about, only about the upsides and the monetisation potential.
Oh, the Chief Counsel thinks about how things can go wrong quite a bit. And also how much their fees will be when the court case hits...
Those fees will be extremely large if there's even a hint that any violation of HIPAA occurred. And guess what most hospital computers are running...?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Rich Text Format
What if you're not getting paid? Does it become Poor Text Format?
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@djls45 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And guess what most hospital computers are running...?
Something <= XP?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Rich Text Format
What if you're not getting paid? Does it become Poor Text Format?
It is simply Plain, but I can still work wonders with that.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@djls45 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And guess what most hospital computers are running...?
Something <= XP?
And MUMPS!
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
MUMPS
You should have been vaccinated against that as a child.
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@HardwareGeek It's true that I am a few bits younger than you, but not such extremely young either. I.e. I was infected somewhen during childhood.
Though that confers lifelong immunity to the virus, it does not confer any immunity to that odd "programming" language with "integrated database".
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
No. Microsoft has "lost trust" with its users at least two decades ago, and nothing's ever changed.
They do what they do because they can.
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@topspin And here I am, deploying yet another shite into Azure, using their shite CosmosDB perhapssql instead of something better we could deploy ourselves because the architect loves Microsoft and doesn't want to deal with having to set up upgrades and backups as using the managed resource helped that much.
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@Bulb said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
because the architect loves Microsoft
He needs a brain
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Bulb said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
because the architect loves Microsoft
He needs a brain
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Bulb said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
because the architect loves Microsoft
He needs a brain
ο Ή: Needs more courage.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
There is a very fine line between malice and incompetence.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
Keep in mind that they were making underlying changes in the OS to allow a (supposedly transparently unnoticeable) continuous screenshot functionality. They're unlikely to remove that even if they scrap Recall as a distinct program.
My bet is that it will just become another bucket in the telemetry and still do the processing etc, just without the blatant storage.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
There is a very fine line between malice and incompetence.
There's also incompetent malice.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
There is a very fine line between malice and incompetence.
There's also incompetent malice.
Don't forget malicious incompetence, which I think is very, very common. I think it describes most of modern politics, but this isn't the , so I won't say any more than that.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
There is a very fine line between malice and incompetence.
There's also incompetent malice.
Don't forget malicious incompetence, which I think is very, very common. I think it describes most of modern politics, but this isn't the , so I won't say any more than that.
Yeah malicious incompetence is a very real thing with a department I have the displeasure to interact with.
Now, I'll admit the "customized version" the company uses is a little fickle, but the process is mostly completely automated: Plop the USB in, clear Disk 0 so that the PC has no choice but to boot from it, wait a bit, type a few things, and wait a little more, and it's done. Takes about 3 hours if you're inattentive.
No, these guys? Have not been able to complete the build on 6 machines for two months! "Oh, we're too busy! No time!" I hear as I witness an empty build bench and the supposed assigned tech diddling around on Farcebook.
You can blame things on Microsoft, but golly... these guys make it easy.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
There is a very fine line between malice and incompetence.
There's also incompetent malice.
Don't forget malicious incompetence, which I think is very, very common. I think it describes most of modern politics, but this isn't the , so I won't say any more than that.
Yes, it applies to a lot of the "see, we told you this wouldn't work". But as you said, .
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I've just been subjected to Windows 11 on my coworkers laptop and ten minutes were enough to hate it. It's the small things that add up.
So, context menus are now two staged where you have to click some not-a-hamburger option in the NEW context menu to get to the context menu? What the actual fuck?!
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@topspin It runs a terminal, a browser and an IDE () just fine. What else did you need?
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@topspin But hey, it solves the problem of context menus having
- Scan with Defender
- Turn off Bitlocker
- Change Bitlocker password
- Cast to Device
- Share
- Share on Skype
- Share on Teams
- Edit with Paint3D
- Give access
- Previous versions
- Include in Library
+ other shit items that nobody ever asked for
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
+ other shit items that nobody ever asked for
True. But ironically enough, at least half that shit is from MS themselves, maybe except for the option to change shader settings in GeForce Experience when you right click an Excel file.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin It runs a terminal, a browser and an IDE () just fine. What else did you need?
Does it, though?
I've not actually tried it on Windows 11 in the brief interaction, but for previous incarnations it does not run a terminal "just fine".
Tangential curiosity I stumbled upon because of my help thread :
Note
SIGINT is not supported for any Win32 application. When a CTRL+C interrupt occurs, Win32 operating systems generate a new thread to specifically handle that interrupt. This can cause a single-thread application, such as one in UNIX, to become multithreaded and cause unexpected behavior.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do I have the feeling that this Recall debacle is intentional - to hide something even worse.
There is a very fine line between malice and incompetence.
There's also incompetent malice.
Code Name: Windows 11
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
So, context menus are now two staged where you have to click some not-a-hamburger option in the NEW context menu to get to the context menu? What the actual fuck?!
To disable the damn hamburger:
reg add HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32 /ve /d "" /f
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@dcon See, ? Easy to configure for everyone. Just go to the
Regedit, and add random stuff from the internets!SettingsControl Panel
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon See, ? Easy to configure for everyone. Just go to the
Regedit, and add random stuff from the internets!SettingsControl PanelWith that command line, you don't need regedit! Just run from cmd!
(I saved that command in my list of notes of "shit to fix in Win11 after install")