WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
if it quacks like a duck, it's a dock.
Maybe it's on a dock.
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@Gustav said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
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Everyone drink 6 shots.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
if it quacks like a duck, it's a dock.
Maybe it's on a dock.
Then there is dukkah.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
if it quacks like a duck, it's a dock.
Maybe it's on a dock.
Then there is dukkah.
If it gets wet does it turn into mudda dukkah?
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
In windows, the impression I get is that you first start the target process with normal privileges, and then the target process invokes some API to trigger the privilege elevation dialog to elevate privileges in the already-running process.
Processes cannot self-elevate. They always have the elevation level they've started with or worse.
Typically, elevation happens one of three ways:
- Programs can manifest themselves as always requiring administrator, or appcompat can pretend on their behalf (like with programs named "Setup" or "Install"). Trying to launch them from the shell or
runas
brings up elevation; trying to launch them programmatically fails (unless a special flag is used). - Processes can realize they're running unelevated, and try to relaunch the program they were started from with a special "elevate me" flag. If the user does not assent, the call returns an error code, and the unelevated program can react. Usually the program is written in such a way that the unelevated process forwards the command line arguments and exits as soon as the attempt to launch itself elevated occurs regardless of status code.
- Administrators can install COM components and give them a special "moniker". Unelevated processes can attempt to activate those components, the components' server is launched elevated, and then the unelevated and elevated sides can talk to each other via COM proxies. If the user does not assent, the process gets an "activation failed because user said no" code and can react accordingly. This is how Windows Installer works: the installer UI collects all the user's choices, makes an (elevated) connection to the installer server, and the installer server re-validates everything and does the actual work, feeding information back to the UI.
Note: You can also do the
sudoers
thing, but only with elevation option 3. Monikers are securable objects, just like files and registry keys, and you can configure all kinds of fun rules for local and remote activation and connection.
- Programs can manifest themselves as always requiring administrator, or appcompat can pretend on their behalf (like with programs named "Setup" or "Install"). Trying to launch them from the shell or
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My taskbar seems to have some kind of new growth on it
What is Copilot preview, and is there any reason to not to remove it with extreme prejudice?
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My taskbar seems to have some kind of new growth on it
What is Copilot preview, and is there any reason to not to remove it with extreme prejudice?
It pops out a sidebar that contains
Bing ChatWindows Copilot, an AI/LLM that answers prompts with text, images, web searches, and such. I turned it off.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@hungrier https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/copilot_notepad/
Either hitting Ctrl + E or selecting "Explain with Copilot" will ignite Microsoft's assistant
LIES! I did that and it was still there afterwards!
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@Applied-Mediocrity “ignite” they keep using that word, I do not think it means what they think it means.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I turned it off.
It defaulted to off for me, but I then disabled it in Group Policy just to make sure.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I turned it off.
It defaulted to off for me, but I then
disabled it in Group Policynuked it from orbit, just to make sure.
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Don’t think this was posted here.
(So maybe no immediate Win12?)
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My taskbar seems to have some kind of new growth on it
What is Copilot preview, and is there any reason to not to remove it with extreme prejudice?
IT policies on one of my laptops won't allow me to unpin it.
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Win 11 Status: Why does the Process Monitor seem to have the worst implemented detection of the system theming rules? Especially when moving it from the laptop screen to the 4K monitor and back? Was it programmed in Boston instead of Redmond?
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@dkf ProcMon hails from the pre Vista era. I suspect it was written competently originally then once SysInternals were bought out, less competent people started maintaining it.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dkf ProcMon hails from the pre Vista era. I suspect it was written competently originally then once SysInternals were bought out,
less competentMicrosoft people started maintaining it.FTFY
FileUnder: same difference
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Some posts ago, I told you how I was dissatisfied with the sluggish behavior of my Win 11 machine in the z. Since it lookes like AutoÜpdate fucks up, I decided to get rid of it.
I am not sure if I eventually managed it, but it was a bad experience .
On , some little thrid party tool was suggested, which just failed. Wow!
So I decided to replace the content of some executables with the help of Notepad++ with a simple . Since those files had odd permissions, I had to take several steps. Frist, take over ownership. Secnod, remove TrustedInstaller's privileges. Thrid, give all users complete access privileges. Then change it in Notepad++.
During the next weeks or months, I may find out if I really succeded...
ääähhh
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use AI to make supported games play more smoothly with enhanced details
Games?
This could actually be a useful feature to upscale desktop apps that don’t support high DPI mode, as their current upscaler is a blurry mess and that’s something a dedicated upscaler might actually work very well for.
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@topspin I've always found it funny that apparently adding more processing makes things smoother somehow.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Win 11 Status: Why does the Process Monitor seem to have the worst implemented detection of the system theming rules? Especially when moving it from the laptop screen to the 4K monitor and back? Was it programmed in Boston instead of Redmond?
The initial versions of the utilities that became Process Monitor ran on Windows 9x. While the current version has some changes like newer toolbar icons, the main ListView doesn't look any different than it did back in the 2000s. It might even still follow the color schemes and similar Appearance settings used at the time, not that Windows 10 or 11 let you set them.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Windows 10 or 11 let you set them.
They're still available in registry or any utility that uses the registry settings.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
apparently adding more processing makes things smoother somehow
Of course. In your case, things should go way smoother once you go from Pentium 3 to Pentium 4
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@TimeBandit as long as there’s good enough cooling.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin I've always found it funny that apparently adding more processing makes things smoother somehow.
The idea is to only render 1/4 of the pixels and let imagination fill in the gaps
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit as long as there’s good enough cooling.
Not a problem.
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@dkf Ah, it was Task Manager, not Process Monitor. And it turns out to be the use of transparency in the UI that really causes stuff to go wrong, especially when things lose focus, a thing that worked in Windows 7. Nobody seems to have twigged online that this is the real problem (or at least I couldn't find anything when I searched); the closest anyone knows is that any custom style causes the problem... but it is just the one aspect that has never been tested by anyone at MS.
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Hm. Just now, my Win 11 machine started fucking slowly - the spinner showing a "please wait" message was there for minutes. What did Windows 11 do during that time? Could it still do some updates?
Anyways, afterwards, it was quite fast, as a good machine should be.
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@BernieTheBernie There is the EventViewer. Let's have a look.
The operating system started at system time 2024-02-14T18:19:52.500000000Z. 19:19:58 Crash dump initialization failed! 19:20:50 Unable to start a DCOM Server: {0823B6F8-F499-4D5E-B885-EA9CB4F43B24}. The error: "2147942616" Happened while starting this command: C:\Windows\winsxs\amd64_microsoft-windows-servicingstack_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22621.2567_none_e93fb1d442e4b410\TiWorker.exe -Embedding (many many times till 19:23:47; then again from 19:38-19:42) 19:23:47 Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following update with error 0x80240017: 2024-01 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64 (KB5033920).
Hm. So what?
I will see later on (not today), if it gets better or worse...
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
my Win 11 machine started fucking slowly... afterwards, it was quite fast
That tends to happen as one gets more excited.
Edit: Unsurprising that @Tsaukpaetra is the only upvote for that post.
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Narrowly avoided entering here. My Win10 machine showed the reboot icon. If I did, it would have xxgraded to W11. [x] "No, stay on 10" (asshole). Reboot icon went away.
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Status: Pleasantly surprised Miracast works pretty well. I mean, it's only 31Mpbs throughput but it's displaying a decent 4k image at a usable framerate.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Status: Pleasantly surprised Miracast works pretty well. I mean, it's only 31Mpbs throughput but it's displaying a decent 4k image at a usable framerate.
I am usually pleasantly surprised if anything works.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Status: Pleasantly surprised Miracast works pretty well. I mean, it's only 31Mpbs throughput but it's displaying a decent 4k image at a usable framerate.
I am usually pleasantly surprised if anything works.
That's not always pleasant.
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Status: Sure, Windows 11 is much smarter with displays disconnecting and connecting willy nilly (supposedly).
It's still absolute shit with scaling though.
Behold the invisible barrier that a maximized window can not intrude upon!
Edit: It is doing it on non-primary monitors too!
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@Tsaukpaetra Non-touch-friendly taskbar sizes are no longer supported and the ability to switch to one will be removed in an upcoming release.
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This "bug" doesn't even make sense. Why would Edge be accessing anything that is associated with Chrome? Is there some sort of assumption in Edge's code that everyone has Chrome installed on their computer? (I don't).
I do have Brave installed, only because of a couple of retarded websites that don't work well with non-Chromish browsers. But I also figured out how to remove Edge a long time ago, and stupid broken shit like this makes me glad I did.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
This "bug" doesn't even make sense. Why would Edge be accessing anything that is associated with Chrome? Is there some sort of assumption in Edge's code that everyone has Chrome installed on their computer? (I don't).
Most browsers offer to bring over your bookmarks and whatnot from other browsers. For whatever reason Edge has an option to do this every launch. This option was being enabled for people without them expecting it. (MS says it was being synced incorrectly.)
As we all know, "stealing" and "copying" are the same thing. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a car to download.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Most browsers offer to bring over your bookmarks and whatnot from other browsers.
Yes. A "feature" that has always been completely broken and useless. A current version of Firefox offers these very useful choices:
And completely ignores the two other browsers I have installed.
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@Gern_Blaanston Opera and NetScape?
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Firefox offers these very useful choices:
And completely ignores the two other browsers I have installed.
Stop using stupid those browsers. Problem solved.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And completely ignores the two other browsers I have installed.
When I moved from version to the current ESR, it didn't offer importing from that one either.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And completely ignores the two other browsers I have installed.
When I moved from version to the current ESR, it didn't offer importing from that one either.
Google doesn’t pay them enough to be too competent.
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@Arantor I don't think Google comes into it. It's more that their attitude towards their user base can be described with one word - "Jeff". They know better what you need, and if you disagree or want something else, you're wrong and no longer welcome.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Yes. A "feature" that has always been completely broken and useless. A current version of Firefox offers these very useful choices:
Omitted: Firefox showing Old Edge and IE. - Ed.
And completely ignores the two other browsers I have installed.
Hmm...on my machine Firefox lists Chrome, Edge (Chromium), and Vivaldi as well as what you're seeing. Vivaldi lists a bunch of sources that include email clients as well as browsers but I don't think it's checking which ones are present. Chrome lists IE and Firefox while Opera (Chromish) lists Chrome, IE, Firefox, and Edge (doesn't say which).
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor I don't think Google comes into it. It's more that their attitude towards their user base can be described with one word - "Jeff". They know better what you need, and if you disagree or want something else, you're wrong and no longer welcome.
That sweet Google money is likely why they have that view, because they’re going to be funded either way without regard to what the user base wants.
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@accalia QFT. Upboat isn't enough.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And completely ignores the two other browsers I have installed.
When I moved from version to the current ESR, it didn't offer importing from that one either.
I've been using Firefox from versions much older than even and I never needed to "import" my data after an update.
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@topspin To be fair, all that didn't work after copying the profile was passwords, since the file is no more
key3.db
, butkey4.db
. Whether it's not even looking for the old one or the old database format or whatever is not supported .
Or whether it was in fact Waterfox maintainers who yeeted the code in full knowing that their only other thing was based on , and people using it might want to keep their shit.Still, I do not retract my low opinion of Firefox devlopers