WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Tsaukpaetra Not in your particular case
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I closed the few that actually did work.
No need to show when something is working as intended. That would be boring!
It's Microsoft, things don't ever work as intended. Or if this shitshow is what someone intended, they're a bad person and should be fired.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
they're a bad person and should be fired.
Out of a cannon into the sun.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
they're a bad person and should be fired.
Out of a cannon into the sun.
At this point it would be more efficient to move the sun to Redmond.
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I don't think Oracle would let you do that.
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Status: Annoyed. Father is texting me that one of the laptops is not connecting to the Internet.
It flat-out does not see any wifi networks, though it does see the wifi card itself.
Toggling airplane mode didn't help.
Halfway going to suggest he pull out an Ethernet cord and wire that up (it's a laptop that actually still has a port for that).
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It's Microsoft, things don't ever work as intended.
One of the big controversies with Windows 11 is the strict new hardware requirements, but apparently Microsoft has botched that as well, judging by the large number of YouTube videos showing how to install Windows 11 on "unsupported" hardware.
One guy even has Windows 11 running on an old computer with an AMD FX cpu that literally fails every one of Microsoft's "requirements".
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@Gern_Blaanston I have W11 running with an "unsupported" CPU, but it required modifying the installer to effectively ignore that.
It's not in Microsoft's interest to make the restrictions more robust. The more people running W11 on computers only supported for W10, the higher the numbers for W11 users are while allowing Microsoft to officially dodge responsibility for any W11 issues that occur on those computers.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston I have W11 running with an "unsupported" CPU, but it required modifying the installer to effectively ignore that.
I forget what I tweaked to get a Win10 VM in VirtualBox to update to W11. I think it was just a registry setting... (It's been a while and CRS...)
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@dcon IIRC it depends what isn't supported. Mine met all the UEFI, TPM 2.0 etc requirements just not the CPU model.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
allowing Microsoft to officially dodge responsibility for any W11 issues that occur on those computers.
You're suggesting they take responsibility for the issues that occur on computers with supported hardware?
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You're suggesting they take responsibility for the issues that occur on computers with supported hardware?
They mostly fix most of them eventually.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I forget what I tweaked to get a Win10 VM in VirtualBox to update to W11. I think it was just a registry setting...
Probably was. Most of the limitations imposed by Microsoft are usually arbitrary and easily bypassed.
I remember when people discovered that you could turn the desktop version of Windows NT into the (more expensive) server version with just a registry setting.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston I have W11 running with an "unsupported" CPU, but it required modifying the installer to effectively ignore that.
It's not in Microsoft's interest to make the restrictions more robust. The more people running W11 on computers only supported for W10, the higher the numbers for W11 users are while allowing Microsoft to officially dodge responsibility for any W11 issues that occur on those computers.
Potentially the CPU would be the most risky, since both OS and applications targeted for W11 only could use CPU instruction extensions which cannot be assumed to be available on W10. In practice though that's probably not a significant restriction since while some pretty recent architectures are blocked, also some pretty old ones are on the allow list.
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Thing is, for at least the next couple of years, no one is going to be seriously targeting W11 only requirements because the W10 user base is still bigger, and they’re going to make software that works on both.
One presumes that will extend to hardware drivers, but it mostly matters for general app development.
This might start to change after 2025 depending on what W11 adoption is looking like - but given the wider economic situation I wouldn’t expect W11’s adoption to rise massively because people have been keeping hardware longer.
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@Arantor True, but one should assume anyone who switches to W11 now on noncompliant hardware is planning to still be on it by the time W10 becomes obsolete. Otherwise, why switch?
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@PleegWat maybe, maybe not - just that for the next couple of years it's not likely to bite you too hard, maybe not even after that.
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Successful install?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Successful install?
Wow. That's even better than Adobe.
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Have we ranted about Windows 11's Taskbar already?
Likely. But did not see it.Anyways, I do not like the Taskbar on the bottom of the screen. Put it on the left or right, but not on bottom or top. Basta!
How to achieve that with Windows 11?
You mean I have to use third party software combined with registry hackz?
Really?
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
You mean I have to use third party software combined with registry hackz?
Just like everything else in Windows 11
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Anyways, I do not like the Taskbar on the bottom of the screen. Put it on the left or right, but not on bottom or top. Basta!
I fixed that. I put my main monitor in portrait mode. Now being on the bottom makes sense. (But yeah, I'm an "on the left" person too)
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
How to achieve that with Windows 11?
You don't - it stays on the bottom of the screen in the correct place
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@loopback0 even the dock of my mac (which is comparatively useless compared to the task bar) disagrees with you.
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@topspin you're
holding itpositioning the dock wrong.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
(But yeah, I'm an "on the left" person too)
Used to be. But then I placed my writing desk differently, and now my laptop is left of the big monitor, so I decided to have its task bar on the right instead of the left (thanks to Windows 7, that is no problem at all).
(Bernie on the right? Oh no! )
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I'm an "on the left" person too
The is
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Well we're all in luck. Microsoft aims to remove the Taskbar entirely in 12. No more up down left or right!
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@Tsaukpaetra in Windows 13, they’ll remove the ability to run software.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra in Windows 13, they’ll remove the ability to run software.
You joke, but IIRC there was a spec enforcing signed executables and whitelisting...
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra in Windows 13, they’ll remove the ability to run software.
Fucking finally. Let's end this madness and get back to hunting and horse carriages.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra in Windows 13, they’ll remove the ability to run software.
Fucking finally. Let's end this madness and get back to hunting and horse carriages.
Fucking carriages....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra in Windows 13, they’ll remove the ability to run software.
You joke, but IIRC there was a spec enforcing signed executables and whitelisting...
Good, it’ll put Windows out of business if they actually enforce it.
No matter how hard they try, they’re not Apple.
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@Arantor by then it’ll be a matter of “Edge OS” (eww) anyway.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Well we're all in luck. Microsoft aims to remove the Taskbar entirely in 12. No more up down left or right!
Not sure due to my CRS... Didn't they try it already in the past? Original Windows 10?
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They tried to do something like this on the first Windows for ARM version, yeah. It would only run apps from the store. And the whole thing sank like a lead balloon.
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It's still a "feature" of 10 and 11 that OEMs can enable.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And the whole thing sank like a lead balloon.
It floated?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra in Windows 13, they’ll remove the ability to run software.
You joke, but IIRC there was a spec enforcing signed executables and whitelisting...
Good, it’ll put Windows out of business if they actually enforce it.
No matter how hard they try, they’re not Apple.
Windows S was the trial version. You can see how well it went down.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Well we're all in luck. Microsoft aims to remove the Taskbar entirely in 12. No more up down left or right!
Not sure due to my CRS... Didn't they try it already in the past? Original Windows 10?
Windows 8 Tablet mode, kinda.
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Status: MSN.com now redirects to a "Fuck you, install Edge!" screen.
Well fuck you, let Edge use the shitty NSAPI or whatever so the damn DVR interface works and I will!
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@Tsaukpaetra does it work in IE Mode on Edge?
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra does it work in IE Mode on Edge?
Didn't last time I tried a few months ago. May try it again when I'm bored.
I don't need to access the page often anyways, just when someone is concerned about funny business, for example when a certain cleaning person plugs in their vacuum into the server UPS...
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Status: Discovered a weird
ai.exe
process running on my work PC.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Status: MSN.com now redirects to a "Fuck you, install Edge!" screen.
I tried Firefox, Palemoon and Brave. Msn.com won't even load on any of them.
What a disappointment.
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MSN.com/en-gb loads for me in Firefox.
I wonder if that's because, for now at least, GB is still sort of dotted-line tethered to the EU where that sort of competition-busting is frowned upon. (And why MS have been ordered to make it possible to uninstall Edge.)
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Msn.com won't even load on any of them.
That's a nice feature
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Status: MSN.com now redirects to a "Fuck you, install Edge!" screen.
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Well fuck you, let Edge use the shitty NSAPI or whatever so the damn DVR interface works and I will!FWIW: I was unable to get msn.com to automatically redirect to that page, even using IE 11 as you (presumably) are here. With IE 11 on Windows 8.1 MSN does display a rather large banner for switching to Edge; clicking on it sent me to the URL in the image. With other browsers, both Chromish and Firefoxian, msn.com occasionally shows a small banner to switch to Edge but doesn't redirect you there. (On Windows 11, clicking on the link in the little banner tried to open Edge via a
microsoft-whatever:
URI.)This concludes tonight's tour through the random VMs I felt like checking.
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@Parody Yeah I don't know what happened. I was using IE on Windows 10.