WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But in principle the password should just be a byte stream, there’s no reason to interpret it as anything.
Except backspace.
but…
That gets interpreted by the input method. Your code shouldn’t (and most certainly doesn’t) search for bytes with that ASCII code and remove it together with the previous one.
True facts: I was wondering why my barcode including tab characters wasn't getting properly input into the text box. Turns out I needed to set the barcode scanner to interprets the control characters as keyboard key press events.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
barcode including tab characters
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But in principle the password should just be a byte stream, there’s no reason to interpret it as anything.
Except backspace.
but…
That gets interpreted by the input method. Your code shouldn’t (and most certainly doesn’t) search for bytes with that ASCII code and remove it together with the previous one.
True facts: I was wondering why my barcode including tab characters wasn't getting properly input into the text box. Turns out I needed to set the barcode scanner to interprets the control characters as keyboard key press events.
That’s because bar code scanners are cheap shit boxes that just pretend to be a keyboard spitting out digits.
But still, barcodes should be digits, right?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I was wondering why
That way madness lies.
You're already well past that point.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But still, barcodes should be digits, right?
There are plenty of different barcode standards. The one commonly used for labeling consumer products only supports digits, but others can encode ASCII characters.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
There are plenty of different barcode standards. The one commonly used for labeling consumer products only supports digits, but others can encode ASCII characters.
Think it was a CCC talk some time ago where they fed different bar codes to e.g. the scanners at stores. Apparently most scanners support multiple standards, and may accept a different type of barcode. If said reader is then pretending to a keyboard at the PoS terminal ... hilarity may ensue if one shows it something carefully crafted.
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@cvi ambiguous use of POS.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Think it was a CCC talk some time ago where they fed different bar codes to e.g. the scanners at stores. Apparently most scanners support multiple standards, and may accept a different type of barcode. If said reader is then pretending to a keyboard at the PoS terminal ... hilarity may ensure if one shows it something carefully crafted.
Yes.
You can even do sneakier things. Those scanners usually have plenty of configurable settings, including such things as "add the specified characters before/after each scanned code".
How do you change those settings? Well, some scanners support editing them thru USB or Bluetooth, but the most common way is... by scanning "special" barcodes that are easily found in the documentation. And those settings are kept by the scanner, even if you unplug it or turn it off.
(One of my former clients was a manufacturer of such devices. They included a password protection feature for settings because of this, but most cheap scanners don't.)
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They included a password protection feature
Never seen one that does. The configuration isn't retained indefinitely though. Unplug it long enough and the configuration will be gone. Roughly a bit less time then needed to get the damn thing from my desk to the customers hands.
Also there usually is a reset barcode to get back to factory settings.
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@Luhmann Gotta love semi-volatile memory.
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@Luhmann: they were rather high-end models, not the cheap noname stuff you find on Amazon. And settings were stored in actual nonvolatile memory.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
barcode including tab characters
I use it to create barcodes that fill forms. Sue me.
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@Tsaukpaetra See... that makes sense. It didn't make sense before that you'd put tab characters in a barcode but now it does.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra See... that makes sense. It didn't make sense before that you'd put tab characters in a barcode but now it does.
Yeah. Until I create a wireless USB-HID device that also pretends to be a flash drive, this is my interrim....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Until I create a wireless USB-HID device that also pretends to be a flash drive, this is my interrim....
Aaaaaaand we're back to
(I'm sure you have a reason. It's just that right now this appears to me to be
)
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Until I create a wireless USB-HID device that also pretends to be a flash drive, this is my interrim....
Aaaaaaand we're back to
(I'm sure you have a reason. It's just that right now this appears to me to be
)
It's a quality-of-life thing. It would be nice to have a device I can plug into an arbitrary computer, strike the right key sequences to get it to boot said device, and then maneuver through the wizards and forms that follow.
Not technically necessary, 'cause, you know, separate devices already exist and are cheap, but it's about convenience, dagnabbit!
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
(I'm sure you have a reason. It's just that right now this appears to me to be
)
Considering the source,
is always a safe bet.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My space is the web space (other spaces with other semantics apply), so I'm familiar with the weird-ass sematics there - if you have a UTF-8, the browser is supposed to only send UTF-8 valid bytes back when submitting a form, especially if the form itself expressly indicates accept-charset="UTF-8" but there's no guarantee you will get valid UTF-8 byte sequences back.
This is why some frameworks send a
✓
(or something like that) as a standard field in their form submissions; it lets them figure out WTF has the browser actually done with the input in the fields they want to care about.
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Installed KB5014697 yesterday.
After installed, when I have mobile hotspot enabled and any device connected to it, the network stack of the system will be messed up. The device connected will be able to access internet via hotspot, but the host itself will not. Most browser function will stop working, except somehow you can still click in the Google news in the tab start page.
Also, there will be massive frame drop when using Remote Desktop.
Just documenting this so if any of you experienced similar problem, you know what to try uninstall first. (There's 1 service release + 3 updates installed yesterday) Also, I've set update to pause for a week, so if the issue come back next week I will know what update to look for and uninstall.
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Status: I just noticed that the Windows' emoji render for "mobile phone" displays a Windows Phone UI. 📱
But the Emoijipedia thinks it looks simpler.
Trying to determine how much
I need to shove to try getting it corrected....
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@Tsaukpaetra Windows 10 vs. 11?
(Windows 11 21H2 22000.739)
Edit: Found them in the Emojipedia archives. The above is the current one for Windows 11, Tsaukpaetra's is the most recent one for Windows 10, and this was the original one for Windows 11:
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Windows 10 vs. 11?
Ah right, I wasn't paying attention to the thread. 😇
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@Parody So much hard work invested. They should have minted NFTs at least
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@Applied-Mediocrity and given that Apple, Samsung and Microsoft at the very least have drawn their own sets, just think how many NFT possibilities there are!
This time next year, Rodney, we’ll be billionaires!
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
possibilities
Just wait until they learn about modifiers and combining characters....
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@Tsaukpaetra at that rate with NFTs, next year Rodney, we’ll be trillionaires!
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra at that rate with NFTs, next year Rodney, we’ll be trillionaires!
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@dcon and still more valuable than an NFT.
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@Tsaukpaetra Which reminds me of Emojimix thread
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Everything old is new again. We should give them a copy of Windows 3.1, it'd totally blow their mind.
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@Zerosquare I would totally be on board with that. I liked the 3.1 look and feel. Then again I’m also totally still a fan of Amiga Workbench 3.x and have pleasant memories of RISC OS on the Archimedes. They were all environments in which I got things done.
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@Zerosquare only 6% sounds pretty good right?
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare only 6% sounds pretty good right?
Better than all those other
virusesdetectors.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare only 6% sounds pretty good right?
Hell, it's better than Chrome doing nothing but displaying static text!
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FFS! Hide the taskbar until I hover over it. It's a simple task. Do not show it to me randomly when my cursor is nowhere near it! God I hate windows.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Hide the taskbar
I've forgotten it could attempt to do that!
Glad to see even a reimplementation couldn't fix such basic functionality...
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@cheong said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Installed KB5014697 yesterday.
After installed, when I have mobile hotspot enabled and any device connected to it, the network stack of the system will be messed up. The device connected will be able to access internet via hotspot, but the host itself will not. Most browser function will stop working, except somehow you can still click in the Google news in the tab start page.
Also, there will be massive frame drop when using Remote Desktop.
Just documenting this so if any of you experienced similar problem, you know what to try uninstall first. (There's 1 service release + 3 updates installed yesterday) Also, I've set update to pause for a week, so if the issue come back next week I will know what update to look for and uninstall.
Installed KB5015814 yesterday, and mobile hotspot breaks again. This time the connecting side won't work.
Paused update for 5 weeks this time.
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All your files are just... irreversibly encrypted.
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@Applied-Mediocrity Dear MS, that is not how you monetize ransomware. You're supposed to offer the option to encrypt the files again if your customers pay the ransom that you demand.
</unhappy shareholder>
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Hey, Windows, why does my search bar have suggestions now?
edit:
At least it can be turned off. For now.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity Dear MS, that is not how you monetize ransomware. You're supposed to offer the option to encrypt the files again if your customers pay the ransom that you demand.
</unhappy shareholder>
Uh...did they use ROT128?
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity Dear MS, that is not how you monetize ransomware. You're supposed to offer the option to encrypt the files again if your customers pay the ransom that you demand.
</unhappy shareholder>
Uh...did they use ROT128?
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Status: Stupidly tried launching Edge by pressing , "edge", Enter
Well I guess I got Edge to open at least...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Stupidly tried launching Edge
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Stupidly tried launching Edge
I wanted another Chrome-like that wasn't logged into my Shit by virtue of not being logged into my Shit. This was easier than assuming an incognito window works properly.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
This was easier than assuming an incognito window works properly.
But you stupidly assumed Edge worked properly
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
This was easier than assuming an incognito window works properly.
But you stupidly assumed Edge worked properly
Well, that it would be separate from Chrome.
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Spent some time today installing Windows 11 to see if I could wrangle it into something useful. (Spoiler: Nope.)
I almost got it into a state that seemed like it might be tolerable (barely) but then I hit this little gem.
A long time ago, Microsoft started hiding the Quick Launch Toolbar by default. But, all you had to do was right-click on the Task Bar, select "New Toolbar" and paste in the magic location:
%AppData%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch
In their continuing quest to remove all useful features from Windows, Microsoft has completely removed this capability from Windows 11. That location still exists, but it's now useless because you can't create ANY custom toolbar of your own.
Why? Because ... Fuck You, that's why.