WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They should have fixed it ages ago, though.
Unfortunately, while they still maintain the "compatibility" function wherein files of different paths but same name can be relocated and still maintain cross-workbook links, this is impossible.
Should make a toggle for that though. "Use shortlinks compatibility" or somesuch.
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@Parody hmm, let me check google images…
I kinda remembered this, thinking “why the fuck is the title bar just empty?!”
Still beats Office with their “ffs, I can’t grab the window because the title bar is full of crap, and I still can’t read the file name” title bar.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
FWIW, Microsoft didn't provide a way to turn off Tabbed File Explorer. Once you have it you'll never be able to see the full path in the title bar again...unless the path is short enough to fit in the tab.
You're absolutely right!
Man, I really miss that feature....
You should still have it, at least until you get The Tabs.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
FWIW, Microsoft didn't provide a way to turn off Tabbed File Explorer. Once you have it you'll never be able to see the full path in the title bar again...unless the path is short enough to fit in the tab.
You're absolutely right!
Man, I really miss that feature....
You should still have it, at least until you get The Tabs.
... Oh there it is!
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody hmm, let me check google images…
I kinda remembered this, thinking “why the fuck is the title bar just empty?!”
I had it in Windows 7, but looking around I must have run one of the tweak utilities that add it back to the Aero Explorer.
I'm with you on the disappearing title bar. Really annoying. Often comes with a side of "let's ignore the system colors". No one wants to see the edges of the windows, right?
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
No one wants to see the edges of the windows, right?
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@TimeBandit Crawls, burrows, creeps and slithers.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit Crawls, burrows, creeps and slithers.
That doesn't sound kosher.
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@Gribnit Relentless and inexorable...
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gribnit Relentless and inexorable...
That's more like Tandem NonStop. Very low install counts. Very long runtimes. Useful for scheduling stuff like rail usage. The stories of emptying a revolver into a running machine are myths, afaict the most used at a time was one bullet. N-ary Modular Redundancy is even stronger than TMR.
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@Gribnit You win this one. Temporary insanity is a poor substitute for natural causes.
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@TimeBandit Considering the average person buys a computer only when the old one dies, I'm surprised it's that high. I've got a couple machines that can't be upgraded.
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@dcon I forced mine to upgrade, and while it still gets security updates for now it's unsupported for 22H2. There's nothing worth forcing it in 22H2 but I'll look into it if staying on 21H2 prevents security updates later on.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit Crawls, burrows, creeps and slithers.
is
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
prevents security updates later on.
Would be a first....
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@TimeBandit eh, that's not surprising. Clicking an attachment in Outlook "downloads" it to OneDrive. Office basically defaults to storing shit on OneDrive and makes you jump through hoops to even see your local files.
They really like to pretend that computers don't have a local hard drive anymore and you should put everything in your paid MS subscription folder. It's probably driving adoption because they're tricking a lot of people who don't know better.
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https://twitter.com/starbuck3000/status/1589574508863635456?
I hope the next screen offers you a choice between major backup services providers. Otherwise this "good" idea will likely bring Microsoft another antitrust lawsuit
Always sad to see Microsoft enabling these toxic ideas in the company. They just damage the brand.They don't get that at MS anyway. Whenever they buy out something they slap their brand everywhere, "Microsoft Skype for Microsoft Windows by Microsoft", as if that sounds like added value. They still think their brand is like Apple and people pay extra for it.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gribnit Relentless and inexorable...
I remember relentlessly annoying. Fuck that guy!
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They still think their brand is like Apple and people pay extra for it.
Case in point: Microsoft Surface which is priced like equivalent Apple devices despite not being as good or powerful.
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@Atazhaia I’m not sure what the equivalent apple product is, but I saw a Surface the other day and figured “whoa, that’s expensive”. And weirdly shaped, too.
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@topspin I would assume MacBook Air/Pro 13" for a the regular Surface Laptop and Pro 14" for the Studio. With iPad Pro for the 2-in-1s.
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Expensive drawing Surface
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@Applied-Mediocrity It's rude posting pictures of @kazitor without asking first.
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@Applied-Mediocrity what’s with the friggin doorstop in her left hand?
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@topspin Surface Dial (probably sold separately). For those who feel, but don't consciously realize that for serious business physical controls are superior to fondlescreens. Precise timeline movement, selection, zoom, all those analog looking dials in VST plugins etc. For drawing, probably brush width or angle, stuff like that. Asus ProArt laptops have a sort-of-similar rotary Dial.
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@topspin It's a completely new way of interacting with technology!
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
physical controls
It's not like she already has a mouse lying around on that desk ...
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@topspin Say what?
Anyway, I'm not sure I'm with you here in this case. Mouse is at best a pixel-precision device. If the range of values is larger than that provided by the control (say, a 200px wide trackbar for 1000px brush), you lose precision.
Also, Photoshop, for example, has non-linear scales for some stuff. Difficult to adjust with mouse. There's a textbox to enter the number, but that's even more bother.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin Say what?
Well played.
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@topspin They used to be cheaper; they've gotten very expensive in the last ~2-3 generations. I quite like them -- pen input nice, and the detachable keyboard is great.
The Surface Laptop Studio (or whatever they call it) is very expensive (and a bit heavy), but there are not a lot of devices that you can use as a tablet that have an RTX-level GPU (mobile GPU, but still).
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It's probably driving adoption because they're tricking a lot of people who don't know better.
Especially when the "free" account runs out of space.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They still think their brand is like Apple and people pay extra for it.
Case in point: Microsoft Surface which is priced like equivalent Apple devices despite not being as good or powerful.
Well, MS does do touch. Apple doesn't (except on tablets and phones).
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
don't have a local hard drive anymore
The Shared PC Build used to hide the C drive, and your special folders were supposed to be redirected to the network drive.
Well, they got rid of that, and enabled OneDrive for everyone.
Fucking computers fill up all the time now, and since the users can't purge other user's profiles, eventually they get into a zero-bytes-free state, requiring a rebuild.
In theory they're supposed to reboot and auto-purge profiles every week, which kinda helps, but....
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The screenshots show that Microsoft promotes the OneDrive file hosting service and prods users to create or complete their Microsoft accounts.
BleepingComputer has also tried replicating this on multiple Windows 11 systems, but we didn't get any ads.
This hints at an A/B testing experiment trying to gauge the success of such a "feature" on devices running Windows Insider builds or the company pushing such ads to a limited set of customers.
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This hints at an A/B testing experiment trying to gauge the success of such a "feature" on devices running Windows Insider builds or the company punishing with such ads
toa limited set of customers.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Applied-Mediocrity what’s with the friggin doorstop in her left hand?
You know how doors are.
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The more I hear about Win11, the more I feel like I want to grab something like PureBasic and write my own GUI tools because I don't want to get my hands dirty writing low-level stuff but I also don't want Windows 11 on me and I feel like I'm going to get pushed into it sooner or later...
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
but I also don't want Windows 11 on me and I feel like I'm going to get pushed into it sooner or later...
I've tried several times to switch to Windows 11 and failed. It's just too awful to tolerate. Microsoft has done everything they can to make Windows suck, and they are succeeding at it quite well.
Fortunately, I've got a LTSB version of Windows 10 that I have wrangled into a somewhat useable state, so I'm good till 2028. I keep hoping that some day Microsoft will make something that is less shit than Windows 11.
But I won't hold my breath.
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@Arantor remember, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor remember, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows
... it's time to start thinking of Windows as something that won't see a big launch or major upgrade every few years anymore. Much like how Google's Chrome browser gets updated regularly with version numbers nobody really pays attention to, Microsoft's approach will likely result in a similar outcome.
if people upgrade to Windows 10 and the regular updates do the trick then everyone will just settle for just "Windows" without even worrying about the version number.
That actually makes sense and it is something that I have been thinking for a long time. Windows has been around long enough that you shouldn't have to worry about (or even know) what version of Windows you are using. It should just be "Windows".
But in order that for reality to exist, Microsoft has to stop fucking around. Stop worrying about adding new "features".
99.675% of all changes made to Windows should be "under the hood".
-Fix bugs
-Improve performance wherever possible
-Add support for new hardware that comes along (e.g. Windows 7 doesn't natively support USB 3.0)
-Changes to the UI/UX should be minimal-The End. Full Stop.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
FWIW, Microsoft didn't provide a way to turn off Tabbed File Explorer. Once you have it you'll never be able to see the full path in the title bar again...unless the path is short enough to fit in the tab.
Could you before?
Yes. File Explorer - Windows 10:
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MS are trying to cope Apple with their “OS X is the last version of macOS” type deal, without understanding (yet again) that if you want to force major UI changes on people you have to do it gradually. Or, more bluntly, doing things with no understanding of how or why those things might work.
It was clear that the Windows 8 situation would have been fine if the progression had been Win7 -> Win10 -> Win8, so from the old ways to something hybridising to the new ways. And they were trying to emulate some of the stuff Apple had already done in the form of Launchpad.
The newest iteration is even more blatantly trying to emulate Apple with, as ever, no understanding of why Apple does what it does.
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@Arantor they haven't always aped Apple. One time they tried aping OS/2.
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@Gribnit yes but OS/2 hasn’t been relevant in decades, and Apple is making more money than Microsoft at the moment…
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
OS/2 hasn’t been relevant in decades
Was it ever?
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@HardwareGeek it was, if only because it was technically superior to Windows, even at running Windows apps. It also had a pretty good life in the embedded space for a while, like in ATMs.
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@Arantor We almost managed to get it installed a couple times, in my youth. I think, but memory has only image fragments, that we actually got it to run once.
But, then Linux came out.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
-Changes to the UI/UX should be minimal
Hundreds of thousands of designers around the world: NNNNNOOOOOOOOooooooooo!!!!!