So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!
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CentOS Linux is dead—and Red Hat says Stream is “not a replacement”
CentOS Stream, founded in 2019, is “a rolling preview of what's next in RHEL.”
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Fuck. We're using CentOS in our dev boxen at work. We'll have to migrate now. A process I'm sure will be quick and painles-- nope, couldn't say it with a straight face.
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@error said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Fuck. We're using CentOS in our dev boxen at work. We'll have to migrate now. A process I'm sure will be quick and painles-- nope, couldn't say it with a straight face.
That was about 90% of the comments. We're on Debian...including some positively ancient versions. Of course that goes for a lot of our stuff--the number of big red "this is deprecated, don't use it!" warnings whenever we build is quite alarming.
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Normally, CentOS enjoys the same ten-year support lifecycle as RHEL itself—which would give CentOS 8 an end-of-life date in 2029. This week's announcement puts a headstone on CentOS 8's grave much sooner, in 2021.
Here's 10 years of support... Psyche!
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@error "You wanted extended support? Go to RHEL"
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I guess I'm kind of in the luck here as I'm using an actual RHEL 6 box to compile / deploy for Red Hat?
Supposedly CentOS is mostly identical but at some point I found that you can get a free RHEL account (for development purposes only). Which expires once every year and I haven't extended since the pandemic, so ... um, crap.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
at some point I found that you can get a free RHEL account (for development purposes only
We have a stupid policy that basically amounts to, "you can only use development tools if every developer in the company has a license."
Luckily, enforcement is lax. Dev VMs are rolled out company-wide, though, so I can't have a
OS.
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CentOS—which is short for Community Enterprise Linux Operating System
Huh. TIL.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I guess I'm kind of in the luck here as I'm using an actual RHEL 6 box to compile / deploy for Red Hat?
Kind of, but RHEL6 is end of life anyway so also kind of not.
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@loopback0 said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I guess I'm kind of in the luck here as I'm using an actual RHEL 6 box to compile / deploy for Red Hat?
Kind of, but RHEL6 is end of life anyway so also kind of not.
Tell that to the customers who say "IT says they need a RHEL 6 version to deploy on the cluster".
That, or some SuSE version from the 80s.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Tell that to the customers who say "IT says they need a RHEL 6 version to deploy on the cluster".
Running EOL operating systems is fine if you don't mind being part of a botnet.
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@error said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Tell that to the customers who say "IT says they need a RHEL 6 version to deploy on the cluster".
Running EOL operating systems is fine if you don't mind being part of a botnet.
By the time you reach internal compute clusters from the outside, you've already breached firewalls / other security measures. I assume said customers don't run these things with direct internet access.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@error said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Tell that to the customers who say "IT says they need a RHEL 6 version to deploy on the cluster".
Running EOL operating systems is fine if you don't mind being part of a botnet.
By the time you reach internal compute clusters from the outside, you've already breached firewalls / other security measures. I assume said customers don't run these things with direct internet access.
The good news is, if it does get compromised, now the attacker has a staging ground inside your network!
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@error well, not in "mine". Our IT runs that box on a restricted sub-net, with a strict policy of
that shitanything not centrally administered doesn't get access to the internal network. Which is probably a good idea.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I assume said customers don't run these things with direct internet access.
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@error The best part is that CentOS 8 is now only supported till 2021, but CentOS 7 will stay supported for its whole planned lifetime - so until 2024!
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I guess I'm kind of in the luck here as I'm using an actual RHEL 6 box to compile / deploy for Red Hat?
The bulk of complaints is about early end of support, and rightly so, because why would anyone use CentOS/RHEL if not for the fact that it has longer support cycles than the others? You might as well use any other CentOS version; all of them are and will forever be at least as well supported as RHEL 6.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
By the time you reach internal compute clusters from the outside, you've already breached firewalls / other security measures. I assume said customers don't run these things with direct internet access.
Don't ask me about the obviously unsanitized user input I've found in backend server logs.
When we cobbled together Shellshock patches for CentOS-4 it was for frontends though
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Anyone should have seen this coming as soon as Red Hat bought CentOS.
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Does Fedora still exist? Because the description of the new CentOS sounds a lot like what I remember what Fedora was supposed to be.
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@boomzilla Yes Fedora still exists. From what I've heard, Fedora is alpha and CentOS will be RHEL beta.
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@topspin They say they're going to change the free developer version (or its licensing) to make it more accessible and less annoying to work with, but apparently they'll do that sometime next year. A sane company would do both at the same time to maybe piss off a couple fewer people, but, well...
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Seems surprising that CentOS was run by Redhat. I thought the whole point was RHEL without paying for RHEL.
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@mikehurley said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Seems surprising that CentOS was run by Redhat. I thought the whole point was RHEL without paying for RHEL.
You can imagine how Red Hat felt about that arrangement and why they might be interested in acquiring CentOS.
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@boomzilla said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@mikehurley said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Seems surprising that CentOS was run by Redhat. I thought the whole point was RHEL without paying for RHEL.
You can imagine how Red Hat felt about that arrangement and why they might be interested in acquiring CentOS.
Sure. I figured it was some independent foundation not a private company. Not sure why a foundation would want to be acquired but a company makes sense.
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@hungrier said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@error "You wanted extended support? Go to RHEL"
Is the R silent?
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@Zenith said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@hungrier said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@error "You wanted extended support? Go to RHEL"
Is the R silent?
I hear Oracle Linux is a drop-in replacement for RHEL. Not sure of the cost tradeoff, financial or otherwise.
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@PleegWat said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I hear Oracle Linux is a drop-in replacement for RHEL. Not sure of the cost tradeoff, financial or otherwise.
I imagine Oracle make Red Hat look like the budget option.
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@PleegWat said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@Zenith said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@hungrier said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@error "You wanted extended support? Go to RHEL"
Is the R silent?
I hear Oracle Linux is a drop-in replacement for RHEL. Not sure of the cost tradeoff, financial or otherwise.
It's RHEL with some customizations and bells and whistles. Ksplice, integration with Oracle Cloud, an empty file is null, that sort of stuff.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
luck […] RHEL 6
You should seriously re-evaluate your standards.
@PleegWat said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I hear Oracle Linux is a drop-in replacement for RHEL.
Interesting question: Is it possible that this change will make it harder for Oracle to maintain their rip-off version of RHEL? That might have been an additional motivation.
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@dfdub said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Is it possible that this change will make it harder for Oracle to maintain their rip-off version of RHEL?
If RHEL remains open source and Oracle continue to swap the logos, I can't see how.
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@boomzilla said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
integration with Oracle Cloud, an empty file is null
Ah, so it's the perfect distribution for /dev/null as a service. Got it.
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@loopback0 said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
If RHEL remains open source and Oracle continue to swap the logos, I can't see how.
Well, Red Hat hides their documentation behind a paywall, so I assume CentOS becoming a completely different distribution makes the freely available documentation a lot less relevant, which should at the very least inconvenience the maintainers of the fork.
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@dfdub I assume Oracle aren't relying on the CentOS documentation
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@mikehurley said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@boomzilla said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@mikehurley said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Seems surprising that CentOS was run by Redhat. I thought the whole point was RHEL without paying for RHEL.
You can imagine how Red Hat felt about that arrangement and why they might be interested in acquiring CentOS.
Sure. I figured it was some independent foundation not a private company. Not sure why a foundation would want to be acquired but a company makes sense.
It wasn't a company. Red Hat "acquired" them by hiring the core people around the project.
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@boomzilla said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Oracle [...], an empty file is null
I see what you did there...
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@magnusmaster said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Anyone should have seen this coming as soon as Red Hat bought CentOS.
Wait what? I guess time to migrate to Whitebox.
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Also isn't amazon linux 2 basically CentOS?
Looks like you can download vm images for it.
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@topspin said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
some SuSE version from the 80s.
Wow, even my SuSE box has a version from the late 00s, and it hasn't even had a power cord connected to it since it was up-to-date.
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@dangeRuss said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
I guess time to migrate to Whitebox.
It's still around?
Check google...
Yes, but
There was also Scientific Linux
Check google...Still around and latest update is from December 7 2020
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@TimeBandit said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Scientific Linux
Still around and latest update is from December 7 2020
Yeah, but...
we will deploy CentOS 8 in our scientific computing
environments rather than develop Scientific Linux 8Not anymore!
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@blek said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@TimeBandit said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Scientific Linux
Still around and latest update is from December 7 2020
Yeah, but...
we will deploy CentOS 8 in our scientific computing
environments rather than develop Scientific Linux 8Not anymore!
Now they will deploy Rock Linux. First version will be called Hard.
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@dangeRuss No no, it's Rocky Linux. The first release will be Brain Damaged.
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The project (such as it is) is on GitHub, though most activity is on a Discourse forum
Nope thread is
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@dangeRuss said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Rock Linux.
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@magnusmaster said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@boomzilla Yes Fedora still exists. From what I've heard, Fedora is alpha and CentOS will be RHEL beta.
They said "noooonono, CentOS will not be the RHEL Beta. It will be the development version!"
"Development version" sounds like alpha to me. Beta is testing.
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@blek said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Rocky Linux
Now Rocky Road Linux, that would be nice.
Time to fork?
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Rocky Road
Android 11
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@dangeRuss said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Also isn't amazon linux 2 basically CentOS?
Looks like you can download vm images for it.Amazon Linux 2 is certainly close enough to CentOS 7 that most CentOS 7 RPM packages work on it.
It's only promised to be in support for another 2½ years though (through June 30, 2023), so I'm quite curious what the longer-term plan for Amazon Linux is from here on. I was thinking there might be some kind of announcement at "re:Invent" (the AWS annual event) about either extending that date or an Amazon Linux 3 coming out, though I haven't seen anything yet (though I certainly may have just missed it, I'm just occasionally looking at the "What's New" AWS page).
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@pcooper said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
@dangeRuss said in So yeah. CentOS? Dead. You now get the beta version of RHEL!:
Also isn't amazon linux 2 basically CentOS?Looks like you can download vm images for it.
Amazon Linux 2 is certainly close enough to CentOS 7 that most CentOS 7 RPM packages work on it.
It's only promised to be in support for another 2½ years though (through June 30, 2023), so I'm quite curious what the longer-term plan for Amazon Linux is from here on. I was thinking there might be some kind of announcement at "re:Invent" (the AWS annual event) about either extending that date or an Amazon Linux 3 coming out, though I haven't seen anything yet (though I certainly may have just missed it, I'm just occasionally looking at the "What's New" AWS page).
To be fair the whole CentOS is dying thing didn't happen until re:Invent was already on the way and I'm sure it will take some time to put a plan together.
If they are just basically doing what CentOS does internally, I don't expect anything to change.
Run Amazon Linux 2 as a virtual machine on premises - Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud
